Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 3

[Iceman]

No idea how you fix it though. Like you said DoFP was great and that only got them to 740 million and this film gets a mixed to negative response and might not hit 180 million domestically.

The problem is domestically it is not going anywhere after so many films, even when it makes the best film to many in the series. It's clearly not just about making a great film as we've had that already and it didn't beat a terribly reviewed film from 2006. The thing we haven't yet had is X-Men given the full on blockbuster treatment (and that doesn't mean it can't be a great film too) with great visuals on every character and their powers. If you have exotic-looking characters like Beast, Iceman and Colossus and the budget to do it you can have them in mutant form for a much bigger part of the film like Nightcrawler. Imagine how much less awesome he would be if he was human all the time except when he teleports and they explained it away with an image inducer invented by Beast. Plus you could really let rip with the powers of the big guns like Storm. You need the wider GA who go to see 'dumber' action films to connect with this thing too and you have to have the material for marketing that will blow people away. You can't have people in 2 minds about whether the main villain looks cool. There should be no debate.

Deadpool was always going to be In X-force once deapool hit it big.deadpool
is what brought X-force back after fox scraped previous script for apocalypse.

Makes sense.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Some people are really invested in proving that X-Men Apocalypse failed.

https://***********/GiteshPandya/with_replies

This guys says that it will make a domestic total of 170m and that this number doesnt even beat opening weekend of BvS and CACW, plus Deadpool made more than this in 6 days.

I don't get all this hate, the movie and the actors were so good.

Maybe people just hate Singer and Kinberg and just transfer their hate to the x-men movies.

You can't have it both ways.If you hate movie then you hate singer and kinberg.if you like movie it came from singer and Kinberg.Singer cast the new actors and hand a hand in casting them from first class and he cast evan peters in DOFP.

 

[X Knight]

Some people are really invested in proving that X-Men Apocalypse failed.

https://***********/GiteshPandya/with_replies

This guys says that it will make a domestic total of 170m and that this number doesnt even beat opening weekend of BvS and CACW, plus Deadpool made more than this in 6 days.

I don't get all this hate, the movie and the actors were so good.

Maybe people just hate Singer and Kinberg and just transfer their hate to the x-men movies.

or, maybe some people are just tired of a 16 year old franchise that has largely focused on the same characters and same overall plot themes.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

Had this pegged at $80-$90M for the 4 day, which was reasonable and perfectly fine. Never was this going to topple (let alone match) Days of Future Past's 4 day, or domestic gross.. or worldwide gross and in their case two years ago it also fell below expectations stateside.

I love them but I'll say it. The First Class cast was never hot with the masses (Remember how so many swore it would break out to $200M+ box-office back in 2011? I do.. and I specifically remember saying it would be the lowest-grossing installment). So much so their own sequel (not unlike what happened to the Man of Steel sequel) was morphed into Days of Future Past to integrate the "old favorites" back instead. Gave the example a few days ago that going back to the First Class cast would be like returning to the Tokyo Drift cast after Fast & Furious 4.

Thing is keep in mind is this. The Wolverine remains the lowest grossing installment in the franchise domestically. At yet Fox was beyond happy with its overseas performance and OKed a third film. So anyone proclaiming "THAT'S IT! IT'S OVER! REBOOT TIME!" needs to sit in the corner for awhile.

They've been thinking big picture ever since then, and if this does $500-$600M worldwide (as I expected), then you're still "stuck" with this.

The example that you gave was awesome and very accurate. I'm one of the people who prefer the original cast. I feel like they should have never tried the new cast thing. They could have done X-Men 4 and using in that movie the DOFP storyline to undo the deaths of Cyclops, Jean and Xavier in X3.

But Fox bet on the success of Jennifer Lawrence since the Hunger Games made a lot of money.

My hopes was for this movie to surpass Deadpool cause this movie will have China and Deadpool didn't. But this movie got so much competition, had to face two disney movies, Cap3 and Alice2.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Well apart from X3

Last stand still made money.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There is also the real possibility that people just don't care that much about the X-Men. One of the problems with this long running Singerverse is that it as sent an expectation people might just be done with.

I do wonder what an X-Men that invokes the early 90s would be like. Imagine seeing a legit Sentinel on screen. Not another a crappy looking version of the Destroyer Armor, or things that look like vacuums.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Some people are really invested in proving that X-Men Apocalypse failed.

https://***********/GiteshPandya/with_replies

This guys says that it will make a domestic total of 170m and that this number doesnt even beat opening weekend of BvS and CACW, plus Deadpool made more than this in 6 days.

I don't get all this hate, the movie and the actors were so good.

Maybe people just hate Singer and Kinberg and just transfer their hate to the x-men movies.

X-Men clawed its way back up from the pitt of X3 and Origins, there are some who would love for X-Men to fall back down again because its more interesting to talk about failure then it is success.

 

[X Knight]

The problem is domestically it is not going anywhere after so many films, even when it makes the best film to many in the series. It's clearly not just about making a great film as we've had that already and it didn't beat a terribly reviewed film from 2006. The thing we haven't yet had is X-Men given the full on blockbuster treatment (and that doesn't mean it can't be a great film too) with great visuals on every character and their powers. If you have exotic-looking characters like Beast, Iceman and Colossus and the budget to do it you can have them in mutant form for a much bigger part of the film like Nightcrawler. Imagine how much less awesome he would be if he was human all the time except when he teleports and they explained it away with an image inducer invented by Beast. Plus you could really let rip with the powers of the big guns like Storm. You need the wider GA who go to see 'dumber' action films to connect with this thing too and you have to have the material for marketing that will blow people away. You can't have people in 2 minds about whether the main villain looks cool. There should be no debate.

Makes sense.

the ironic thing is......I've felt like Apocalypse and DOFP are the 2 X films that FINALLY felt like X-Men comicbook movies.

the problem is, as I've said before, is simply franchise fatigue.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Last stand still made money.

No it didn't. It was a loss.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Last stand still made money.

So does the transformers movies, but are they loved?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

X-Men clawed its way back up from the pitt of X3 and Origins, there are some who would love for X-Men to fall back down again because its more interesting to talk about failure then it is success.

You should see me talk Star Wars success. I find it far more interesting then talking about the prequels.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

The bad reviews were out weeks before the film came out. I bet you that Fox doesn't allow that to happen again. Again there was a reason that WB hid BvS from critics. That was a smart move. Ending the embargo early surely effected Apocalypse's box office.

I have to agree with you and add just one more thing.

It was a mistake to release the movie internationally first.

Deadpool was released on the same weekend for both US and the rest of the world. Thats why it made a lot of money, got everyone by surprise.

Apocalypse being released first internationally was bad, people from US got disappointed with the reviews and word of mouth and decided not to go see the movie, or even used torrent to see the movie cause we know that people do that.

 

[marvelrobbins]

X-Men clawed its way back up from the pitt of X3 and Origins, there are some who would love for X-Men to fall back down again because its more interesting to talk about failure then it is success.

Some people are rooting for X-men to fail so fox will hand X-men to disney.
I have seen that time and again on Internet.

 

[Spiderine]

i also think BVS and Civil War may have hurt X-MEN and no one will agree with this but both BVS and Civil were big event movies, batman fights superman! with wonder women making her cinematic appearance and ironman vs captain america with spider-man making his first appearance in the MCU, both very hyped juggernaut movies... and apocalypse came after those 2 movies, could there be audience fatigue? BVS and Civil were pretty much competing their cinematic universes against each other, we have batman! oh yeah well we have spider-man now! while the audience watches and X-MEN floats in the background...

A very good point that everyone ignores. Its a combination of that and a lackluster film in general.

 

[GuestStar2004]

the ironic thing is......I've felt like Apocalypse and DOFP are the 2 X films that FINALLY felt like X-Men comicbook movies.

Its ironic since some reviews made it sound like being to "comic booky" is what hurts it ;p

 

[chamber-music]

Variety is good. As Marvel has shown, make different genre flicks with the variety of characters. There are plenty of X-Men that suit different types of films. Deadpool was a great start.

Fox does seem interested in diversifying the X-Men franchise and keeping in fresh.

Deadpool - comedic and romantic elements

New Mutants - John Hughes eighties Teen movies mixed with supernatural horror.

Gambit - Heist film with star crossed lovers romance.

All of these genres mash ups are accurate to the source material as well.

The New Mutants did have a eighties teen movie vibe and there were a number of of supernatural stories with that group.

It is only natural after seven films for the box office returns to be lower.

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that.

Star Wars, Harry Potter, James Bond and Marvel Studios have all made big money in later installments.

 

[ImSGirl95]

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that.

Star Wars, Harry Potter, James Bond and Marvel Studios have all made big money in later installments.

And Fast & Furious also. The 7 Fast movies have made more money combined than the first 7 movies of the X-franchise combined.

 

[Iceman]

Some people are really invested in proving that X-Men Apocalypse failed.

https://***********/GiteshPandya/with_replies

This guys says that it will make a domestic total of 170m and that this number doesnt even beat opening weekend of BvS and CACW, plus Deadpool made more than this in 6 days.

I don't get all this hate, the movie and the actors were so good.

Maybe people just hate Singer and Kinberg and just transfer their hate to the x-men movies.

Whether someone likes or dislikes a film shouldn't have anything to do with their analysis of its box office. I like this film. I don't like this film's box office though as it impacts how much more of these characters I am likely to see and what budget the guy making films about them is likely to get. DoFP struggled to get to X3's domestic box office and this isn't coming close. I want them to continue full steam ahead but with the awareness that something needs to change just to course correct back to pre-X3 momentum, never mind break out any further to the level of bigger films from other companies.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I have to agree with you and add just one more thing.

It was a mistake to release the movie internationally first.

Deadpool was released on the same weekend for both US and the rest of the world. Thats why it made a lot of money, got everyone by surprise.

Apocalypse being released first internationally was bad, people from US got disappointed with the reviews and word of mouth and decided not to go see the movie, or even used torrent to see the movie cause we know that people do that.

studios need to stop releasing films overseas first.

fox should embrago all future x films till release day after apocalypse.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

There is also the real possibility that people just don't care that much about the X-Men. One of the problems with this long running Singerverse is that it as sent an expectation people might just be done with.

I do wonder what an X-Men that invokes the early 90s would be like. Imagine seeing a legit Sentinel on screen. Not another a crappy looking version of the Destroyer Armor, or things that look like vacuums.

They don't care because they haven't been given any reason to care. You have to make people care with appealing characterization.

Nobody cared about Guardians of the Galaxy or Captain America either. The filmmakers made them care.

We desperately need a fully characterized X-men film.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It was a mistake to release the movie internationally first.

It really was, i also question why they released it to critics so early, did they have screenings and did they go very well? were they just over confident and didn't think critics would rip into it? weird

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Pre-X3 momentum is kind of hard to gain in this environment. Remember, not a lot of challengers in the early 00s. And even then, Spider-Man crushed X-Men.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They don't care because they haven't been given any reason to care. You have to make people care with appealing characterization.

Nobody cared about Guardians of the Galaxy or Captain America either. The filmmakers made them care.

We desperately need a fully characterize X-men film.

The problem might be though that the general audiences just see X-Men as this now. Let's remember, even though DoFP did well, it was a far cry from the legit blockbusters of this time period and had a huge drop off after the initial 4 day weekend domestically. It only made another 120m.

 

[marvelrobbins]

It really was, i also question why they released it to critics so early, did they have screenings and did they go very well? were they just over confident and didn't think critics would rip into it? weird

they obviously thought critics would like it instead of them ripping into film.
if weren't for critics we may have had a 90 million 4 day weekend.

 

[Iceman]

the ironic thing is......I've felt like Apocalypse and DOFP are the 2 X films that FINALLY felt like X-Men comicbook movies.

the problem is, as I've said before, is simply franchise fatigue.

Fatigue sets in when the GA thinks you are doing the same things. Bond saw a resurgence when they changed things up after decades. It doesn't matter if you do different things, the GA has to be aware and for a comic film that will happen in trailers and TV spots and other marketing. You need to bring a lot more bang for your buck to get those guys in the cinema. Once they're in then you give them a film on the level of DoFP and they will be converted. Most weren't converted by DoFP because they had already given up on the franchise and 5 star reviews aren't going to be enough to bring them back. It was the same for me with Star Trek. With that reboot I became a big fan. But if they had given me the exact same films and marketed them as part of the same old same old I wouldn't even have read the review that tells me its awesome.