Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 3

[Logan0327]

seems to be doing much better internationally it has made 186 million internationally already

 

[Electrix]

seems to be doing much better internationally it has made 186 million internationally already

International has been King for a few years now. It's only going to grow.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I dont think the fans not showing up is necessarily the problem. I mean yeah it is a problem but I think the bigger problem is that the GA isn't showing up.

Yes it'll be cool to see things more accurate but first and foremost it's important to have a good movie

They aren't mutually exlusive though. You can make an accurate and good movie at the same time. But I think actually trying to have too much fanservice actually hurt this film

I disagree. These films have been in the GA's faces for over 16 years now. There are two different types of fans now: hardcore comic fanboys and casual fans who have attached themselves to the franchise. I've never read a Hunger Games book but I follow the movies. But if FOX suddenly did something with the Hunger Games movies that didn't appeal to me I wouldn't show up.

That is the case here: FOX is doing something wrong with X-Men and it's not working for the fanboys OR casual fans.

And please don't blame it on "superhero movie fatigue". That's a lame excuse--Captain America: Civil War just made a billion dollars at the box office last week, so...no. This is exclusively a FOX/X-Men franchise issue.

 

[Kanon]

They need to ditch the First Class line, and focus on present day stories, in the OT/Deadpool continuity. The FC reboot failed to connect, DoFP hid that with the original cast showing up, but now we are back at audiences rejecting the new contunuity. Time to focus on X-Force, Deadpool, a new generation of X-Men, whatever, but the gap between FC/Apocalypse and DoFP should send a clear message: people liked the X-Men as they were and don't want them remade.

 

[MadVillainy]

I disagree. These films have been in the GA's faces for over 16 years now. There are two different types of fans now: hardcore comic fanboys and casual fans who have attached themselves to the franchise. I've never read a Hunger Games book but I follow the movies. But if FOX suddenly did something with that franchise that didn't appeal to me I wouldn't show up.

This is the case here: FOX is doing something wrong with X-Men and it's not working for the fanboys OR casual fans.

And please don't blame it on "superhero movie fatigue". That's a lame excuse--Captain America: Civil War just made a billion dollars at the box office last week, so...no. This is exclusively a FOX/X-Men franchise issue.

Um...well I wasn't gonna blame it on superhero fatigue so I don't know why bring it up in a quote to me. I don't believe in superhero fatigue

But I still think youre missing something. You say it's been divided into hardcore comic fanboys and casual fans who have attached themselves to the franchise. The 2nd of those isn't gonna care as much about costume changes, personalities changes, etc. as most us fanboys.
You say you liked THG movies but didn't read the books. So you didn't care about the changes they made to the book.

No casual fan is going: "Man so and so didn't wear a costume. That really bothered me". They're probably more concerned that this was boring (imo) or whatever other gripes with the movie.

As I said, they can make both a great movie and a more accurate one. Look at X-Men, X2, DOFP. Not completely comic accurate, but they were seen as good movies and they were successful

 

[Raiden]

Just give me the cast of this:

Plus Kitty and Bobby and don't set it in the 90s and I'll be content.

I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall at Fox this weekend.

This is what I want to see the most:

But I don't think Singer is capable of giving us this.

 

[Double B]

This is what I want to see the most:

But I don't think Singer is capable of giving us this.

He's not at all which is why he needs to go or be moved to an executive producer credit. The downside is I think he's too involved with the franchise to let any other director have the creative freedom they'd want or need. Vaughn was chased off this franchise with good reason...

 

[superweirdo87]

They need to ditch the First Class line, and focus on present day stories, in the OT/Deadpool continuity. The FC reboot failed to connect, DoFP hid that with the original cast showing up, but now we are back at audiences rejecting the new contunuity. Time to focus on X-Force, Deadpool, a new generation of X-Men, whatever, but the gap between FC/Apocalypse and DoFP should send a clear message: people liked the X-Men as they were and don't want them remade.

The original cast clearly boosted DoFP a lot, but they were not in the movie that much.

 

[MadVillainy]

This is what I want to see the most:

But I don't think Singer is capable of giving us this.

I'd be down with that lineup. Maybe switch out Colossus for Nightcrawler, but yeah I'd love that lineup

 

[Iceman]

This is what I want to see the most:

But I don't think Singer is capable of giving us this.

That is the dream!

 

[GuestStar2004]

He's not at all which is why he needs to go or be moved to an executive producer credit. The downside is I think he's too involved with the franchise to let any other director have the creative freedom they'd want or need. Vaughn was chased off this franchise with good reason...

Vaughn had alot of creative control but like alot of the directors with this franchise they try and emulate Singers tone.

He only left because fox wouldn't let him do secret service before X-Men.

 

[Smilodon]

Oh my god is marvelrobbins okay? He must be having a meltdown after this.

 

[Zero_Effect]

Those are great points.

And Forbes is right: this film did play as a bait-and-switch. For example, they kept playing up the newly cast characters i.e. Storm. But when you got in the actual theater she was a wallflower for 75% of the film. And every single damn one of her power displays were spoiled in the trailers and spots.

Fans don't like that--and FOX does it A LOT.

But people have to show up to know that. That should be affecting next weeks box office not the opening week.

 

[marvelrobbins]

He's not at all which is why he needs to go or be moved to an executive producer credit. The downside is I think he's too involved with the franchise to let any other director have the creative freedom they'd want or need. Vaughn was chased off this franchise with good reason...

Singer Is likely gone after apocalypse underperforming.

what people want there would require a massive budget.and i thought people
didn't want wolverine and magneto in films anymore.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Um...well I wasn't gonna blame it on superhero fatigue so I don't know why bring it up in a quote to me. I don't believe in superhero fatigue

Oh I know you didn't. But I've seen others mention it here and I'm too lazy to do a multi-quote.

But I still think youre missing something. You say it's been divided into hardcore comic fanboys and casual fans who have attached themselves to the franchise. The 2nd of those isn't gonna care as much about costume changes, personalities changes, etc. as most us fanboys.
You say you liked THG movies but didn't read the books. So you didn't care about the changes they made to the book.

Yes, but even casual fans are hip to things that don't work. For example, FOX has (mistakenly) put all of their hope in this First Class actor circle. They plastered JLaw all over the marketing as the leader of the X-Men. General audiences (mistakenly) already think that Wolveine is the X-Men's leader. So a visual change as simple as that can turn viewers off--and that's without even picking up a comic book. It's all about presentation.

FOX has chosen not to cast any A-listers with this new X-Men line-up. They're cheap (compare that to the blinding star ensembles Marvel is casting for every movie). Such decisions appear to be also driven by a lack of faith in this comic material. They let their previous A-list cast (Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry, Ian McKellan, Patrick Stewart, etc.) go. Clearly these changes are not cutting it for casual fans.

Us fanboys are over it for other reasons.

 

[Logan0327]

i think people want deadpool tone and look for x men movies and i'd be fine with that since deadpool was great

 

[MadVillainy]

But people have to show up to know that. That should be affecting next weeks box office not the opening week.

it could affect opening weekend as well.

 

[Iceman]

Interesting perspective. Tend to agree.



http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...omparatively-meager-80m-weekend/#7e19992918c0

Yes. We've had the Wolverine and Magneto stories.

 

[GuestStar2004]

i think people want deadpool tone and look for x men movies and i'd be fine with that since deadpool was great

Deadpools tone is more comedic, basically all the X-Men doing what quicksilver does.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

But people have to show up to know that. That should be affecting next weeks box office not the opening week.

Due to the early embargo lift, the critics' reviews told all of us for two weeks in advance that Storm had been reduced to a henchwoman. Hell, even fans here saw the film early and warned us.

I was fully aware of that going in.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Vaughn had alot of creative control but like alot of the directors with this franchise they try and emulate Singers tone.

He only left because fox wouldn't let him do secret service before X-Men.

with last stand they weren't trying to emaulate singer at all.Rothman was as anti-singer when he did superman as people here are now.

Vaughn's tone In First Class.the only reason he tried to emulate singer's tone was because singer was producing.

Vaughn made kingsman for fox.is doing sequel now,was given producer credit on FF,and is attached to flash gordon.he is hardly someone on outs with fox.Singer only has any control over X-men related films when he directs or produces.which he likely won't be doing anymore.

 

[Double B]

Oh I know you didn't. But I've seen others mention it here and I'm too lazy to do a multi-quote.

Yes, but even casual fans are hip to things that don't work. For example, FOX has (mistakenly) put all of their hope in this First Class actor circle. They plastered JLaw all over the marketing as the leader of the X-Men. General audiences (mistakenly) already think that Wolveine is the X-Men's leader. So a visual change as simple as that can turn viewers off--and that's without even picking up a comic book. It's all about presentation.

FOX has chosen not to cast any A-listers with this new X-Men line-up. They're cheap (compare that to the blinding star ensembles Marvel is casting for every movie). Such decisions appear to be also driven by a lack of faith in this comic material. They let their previous A-list cast (Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry, Ian McKellan, Patrick Stewart, etc.) go. Clearly these changes are not cutting it for casual fans.

Us fanboys are over it for other reasons.

So much this.

One wonders how different things would be in a world where, instead of First Class, they went the whole nine yards and did a hard reboot, set in the current years with a slew of new cast as iconic favourites.

I mean, JLaw as Rogue is what you want. Not her as Mystique and forcing the character to fit a more prominent role to utilize her star power.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Deadpools tone is more comedic, basically all the X-Men doing what quicksilver does.

and they will be fine with it.doesn't matter that it is opposite of what X-men
should be.

 

[JEM]

Drew McWeeny and Roth Cornet talk about what's next for the X-Men.


http://www.hitfix.com/the-dartboard/it-seems-pretty-obvious-that-x-men-apocalypse-is-setting-this-balls-to-the-wall-storyline-up-fandemonium

IMO, i don't think you will see big change by Fox because they already work fo the evolution. Most critics are the franchise need evolve but it seems like they forgot New Mutant, Gambit, Deadpool 2, X Force ect. Beside, people are tired about Xavier, Magneto, Mystique. It's fine the new cast will be the next lead.

The big question are if Singer will tay director or not and the timeline. For now, they want stay in the past but some people want present days X Men.
We will see.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

This is what I want to see the most:

But I don't think Singer is capable of giving us this.

Less is more when it comes to movies, Blue and Gold teams here is character bloat, the same problem XM:APOC suffers from.

Beast needs to go, I never liked him in the movies -too cheezy looking. Too many "blue" characters altogether.

The strongest, and most successful lineup of X-Men was the "All-New, All -Different" squad that replaced the original X-Men in the late 70s -with Phoenix, leading up to the Dark Phoenix storyline by Claremont and Byrne. Banshee can be axed in favor of Kitty or Psylocke to get some gender equality.