Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 3

[magneto23]

The only way a reboot woks is if it comes with Marvel. Highly unlikely. A hard reboot now, with Fox, will be a challenge. The main reason this is under performing is because they made a mediocre film that had a bad third act. And they let that mixed word of mouth spread for a week plus before anyone in the US could see the damn thing. Major mistake. They have the pieces in place now with a nice young cast. Shifting the focus to them is enough of a "reboot" in itself. Just get a new writing team and a new director. And schedule the next one so it has a weekend to itself. What if if Alice 2 was a hit? How many more millions would Apocalypse lost?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

That's a director choice, not studio. For example, Prometheus was made by Fox, and is one of the best visual films in the last decade. And that's because Ridley Scott is at the helm.

At this point with how much these X-Men movies cost I definitely would say that it's a director issue.

 

[X-Maniac]

Singer is defently gone now.95% sure of that.just like i am sure kinberg won't be gone.

since deapool had colorful costumes people didn't care about flaws.since many want X-men to be like MCU they were pleased on all the comedy.

who knows what kind of tone the next film will have.if they hire whedon or
vaughn to replace singer and work with kinberg tone is more likely to be
like deadpool than X-men,X2,and DOFP.

Vaughn's good but he needs reining in at times (Cat-Beast? Angel Salvadore? the January Jones pregnancy thing).

If there was someone to stop him going a bit off the rails at times, then he'd be good. But he'd want to shoot in the UK again, which would suit Sophie anyway.

It all comes down to story.

Now the Xavier/Magneto thing at the centre of the First Class trilogy is over (and Xavier is bald and looking like he should), then they can HOPEFULLY move on to other things. The actual X-Men for a start, as a team.

I don't think the Dark Phoenix Saga is a good idea, that story should be allowed to simmer and build over two more movies, seeing Jean trying to hold back her lethal powers and perhaps the others finding she is tapping into some sort of primal cosmic force beyond just her normal TK.

They should have had more foresight and developed a scenario where Mystique went off at the end of this film and formed her Freedom Force group, with Avalanche, Blob, Toad, Spiral, Destiny and perhaps Scarlet Witch. I can't see how that would easily happen now. Mystique could leave the mansion but to then form a group of baddies that would come into conflict with Xavier and his X-Men again would perhaps be too much, like constant flip-flopping of her alliances and beliefs.

 

[marvelrobbins]

The only way a reboot woks is if it comes with Marvel. Highly unlikely. A hard reboot now, with Fox, will be a challenge. The main reason this is under performing is because they made a mediocre film that had a bad third act. And they let that mixed word of mouth spread for a week plus before anyone in the US could see the damn thing. Major mistake. They have the pieces in place now with a nice young cast. Shifting the focus to them is enough of a "reboot" in itself. Just get a new writing team and a new director. And schedule the next one so it has a weekend to itself. What if if Alice 2 was a hit? How many more millions would Apocalypse lost?

of course fox could reboot itself.Other studios have done it before sony gave away spider-man to marvel.

It will probally have same writer and some of same cast mostly those introduced In Apocalypse but with new director and without some of FC cast.

who knows what kind of film next X-men film will be.

 

[Tymminator]

it was clear in FC who was going to be focus of trilogy-Xavier,magneto,and mystique.anyone who thought different was in denial.

the first class actors contracts are up.after apocalypse's performance you think they are going to spend heavily to get jennifer lawrence back who is proven not be much of a draw for X-men films.the next film is almost certinly going to have smaller budget.fassbender may be too pricy to return as well we will see on that.it's better that they don't.

Whoever is brought on to replace Singer may give you the mCU stype film you and others want.

Dude, you simply don't listen, assume way to much and are quick to label things/people.

What people like me are asks for is a movie that goes into the group and group dynamics of the X-Men as they are interesting characters.

Now if Fox can do that, I'm good.

I'm asking for a good movie.

Point being, I'm asking for a movie that focuses on the group of X-Men and gives them justice, the fact you use "MCU" like a slur makes it hard to take you seriously. The way you want to see the MCU is on you, GenPop and enough fans can see it's pretty diverse.

And also, that's not even point, you complain how people are "wanting Fox to fail with X-Men so it can go back to Disney" but the only person mentioning that in the last several pages over and over again is YOU.

Nobody is saying that from what I read on here, but you keep bringing it up, over and over, instead of listening to what other fans are saying.

People say "I want to have a good X-Men movie that gives the X-characters Justice" and your retort is to simply say "you and people like you just want to have a MCU type movie" and dismiss their concerns?

I want a better X-Men movie, not one repackaged going over the same plot points with the exact same focus as all previous X-Films. I don't care what you call that.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

At this point with how much these X-Men movies cost I definitely would say that it's a director issue.

Normally I would agree, but it has remained a problem across several directors now.

Maybe the other directors are making too much of a conscious effort to stay close to Singer's vision.

Anyways, regardless of who is at fault, it is something that needs to change.

 

[StormC]

The main problem was the competition this year.

X-Men had to face Captain America, Alice, Warcraft (in some countries already released), among many other good movies out there.

Plus Singer doesn't receive the full support of the comic book community or even x-men community cause he doesn't listen to them and isn't faithful to the source material. Snyder this year had the same problem.

16 later since first x-men movie ans Singer refuses to give characters costumes.

I was actually speaking about DOFP too. 200M budget, the most critically acclaimed X-Men movie, old cast, etc...and it made 748M. Good, but not great. That's the peak of the X-Men's brand power nowadays.

 

[psyonic]

Dude, you simply don't listen, assume way to much and are quick to label things/people.

What people like me are asks for is a movie that goes into the group and group dynamics of the X-Men as they are interesting characters.

Now if Fox can do that, I'm good.

I'm asking for a good movie.

Point being, I'm asking for a movie that focuses on the group of X-Men and gives them justice, the fact you use "MCU" like a slur makes it hard to take you seriously. The way you want to see the MCU is on you, GenPop and enough fans can see it's pretty diverse.

And also, that's not even point, you complain how people are "wanting Fox to fail with X-Men so it can go back to Disney" but the only person mentioning that in the last several pages over and over again is YOU.

Nobody is saying that from what I read on here, but you keep bringing it up, over and over, instead of listening to what other fans are saying.

People say "I want to have a good X-Men movie that gives the X-characters Justice" and your retort is to simply say "you and people like you just want to have a MCU type movie" and dismiss their concerns?

I want a better X-Men movie, not one repackaged going over the same plot points with the exact same focus as all previous X-Films. I don't care what you call that.

He's always like this.. "Singer is gone now." "They are rebooting it." Stating it as fact.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Vaughn's good but he needs reining in at times (Cat-Beast? Angel Salvadore? the January Jones pregnancy thing).

If there was someone to stop him going a bit off the rails at times, then he'd be good. But he'd want to shoot in the UK again, which would suit Sophie anyway.

It all comes down to story.

Now the Xavier/Magneto thing at the centre of the First Class trilogy is over (and Xavier is bald and looking like he should), then they can HOPEFULLY move on to other things. The actual X-Men for a start, as a team.

I don't think the Dark Phoenix Saga is a good idea, that story should be allowed to simmer and build over two more movies, seeing Jean trying to hold back her lethal powers and perhaps the others finding she is tapping into some sort of primal cosmic force beyond just her normal TK.

They should have had more foresight and developed a scenario where Mystique went off at the end of this film and formed her Freedom Force group, with Avalanche, Blob, Toad, Spiral, Destiny and perhaps Scarlet Witch. I can't see how that would easily happen now. Mystique could leave the mansion but to then form a group of baddies that would come into conflict with Xavier and his X-Men again would perhaps be too much, like constant flip-flopping of her alliances and beliefs.

for starters lawrence needs to go.Even though actual film she isn't as proment as she was in marketing.The only upside to apocalypse underperforming is fox will probally think it's not worth it to pay her more money to return.

With vaughn returning singer will not be there to help reign him in.I admit vaughn apart from singer is probally only one who would reign kinberg's influence at all.I am still skeptical vaughn comes back.besides Kingsmens sequel he also has flash gordon for fox.and then without singer what happens if he does next X-men film.he may bail on following film as he did kick ass 2 and DOFP.I suspect without Singer around a vaughn directed X-men film would have tone of kick-ass and kingsman.granted violence level would be
tuned down for pg-13.

Phoenix should be done in 2 films.although now that may be out the door
with singer gone from films.If vaughn or whedon the 2 most mentioned replacements were hired that is likely too dark a story for them.

 

[Dasher10]

Looks like the box office results are disappointing and the film is only likely to break even (not counting marketing costs).

Here's what I'd do. I'd make Fassbender a cameo and completely drop Lawrence since their contracts are over. I'd make the next film Peters' last before he and whoever the new Mystique is get their own film. Then I'd focus on Cyclops, Storm and Jean. Logan would be present but he has his own series. Gambit, Quicksilver and Nightcrawler would be the comic relief.

I'd move Singer and Kinberg into producer roles, let a new director take over and bring David Hayter back to write the screenplay.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Dude, you simply don't listen, assume way to much and are quick to label things/people.

What people like me are asks for is a movie that goes into the group and group dynamics of the X-Men as they are interesting characters.

Now if Fox can do that, I'm good.

I'm asking for a good movie.

Point being, I'm asking for a movie that focuses on the group of X-Men and gives them justice, the fact you use "MCU" like a slur makes it hard to take you seriously. The way you want to see the MCU is on you, GenPop and enough fans can see it's pretty diverse.

And also, that's not even point, you complain how people are "wanting Fox to fail with X-Men so it can go back to Disney" but the only person mentioning that in the last several pages over and over again is YOU.

Nobody is saying that from what I read on here, but you keep bringing it up, over and over, instead of listening to what other fans are saying.

People say "I want to have a good X-Men movie that gives the X-characters Justice" and your retort is to simply say "you and people like you just want to have a MCU type movie" and dismiss their concerns?

I want a better X-Men movie, not one repackaged going over the same plot points with the exact same focus as all previous X-Films. I don't care what you call that.

there are plenty of people online who want X-men films to fail and be given to disney.i have heard that time and time and time again.

whenever they try to change things up and there was some of that in apocalypse and now there will be more of that.who knows whoever replaces singer will go.

 

[Double B]

Just give me the cast of this:

Plus Kitty and Bobby and don't set it in the 90s and I'll be content.

I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall at Fox this weekend.

 

[marvelrobbins]

He's always like this.. "Singer is gone now." "They are rebooting it." Stating it as fact.

a reboot is a possibilty.and singer is almost certinly gone after apocalypse's
under-performing.someone has to be blamed and fox sure won't blame
Simon Kinberg.

 

[superweirdo87]

- Release on the same weekend for the whole world, specially US.
- Hold the reviews until the release day. (even if they think it will get good ones)
- Focus on the new x-men team showed in the end of the movie and have them using their costumes. Just let the black suit die.
- Not spoil so much of the movie on the trailers.
- Don't promote the actors, promote the characters. If actors like Jennifer and Nick don't want to be blue then don't hire them for this movie, use new characters instead who will accept the terms. I'm not saying use another actor to play Beast and Mystique, just don't use them in the movie. To be fair Mystique doesn't walk naked in the comics, this was wrong in the movies to begin with. Bryan is ashamed to use costumes. Notice how we only see costumes in the last scene of the movie. The last scene! So if people don't like the costumes it doesn't affect him, cause he can always go back to black suits.[/QUOTE]

A lot of this stuff misses the actual point. I think one economist put it well, the movie itself is what makes a hit.

--They need to cut the characters and choose to focus on a couple so that they get a meaningful story and arc in, so the movie tells a good story.
--They need a new writer and director.
--They need to move beyond stories focused on Professor X, Magneto, and Wolverine.
-They need to tell new and different kinds of stories.
--They need a cohesive long term vision so that the stories and character arcs mesh well together.

Days of Future Past let reviews out early and it did not clearly hurt that movie's box office. Also, it sends the message that you're afraid and you know you're going to get torn apart.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

to start with Mcavoy may be only first class actor to return so both mystique and magneto will likely be gone.they are already probally planning to give cyclops and jean even more focus than In Apocalypse.Storm will likely get
lareger role than In Apocalypse.so they have already dealt with the issue that so many moan about.vaughn focused on exactly the same characters they moan about and yet people treat him as god.some won't be sastified till X-men is carbon copy of MCU with comedy overblown with little of the drama,seriousness,and allegary that made X-men different and under devolped villains.

Your view of this situation is woefully short sighted.

This film is seriously underperforming with a soft $65 million opening. This is not an opinion--it's a fact. You claim the fans have been "moaning"? Well, you can bet your ass that FOX will be moaning over these embarrassing box office returns.

FOX continues to ignore the audience and the audience is now effectively whipping their ass--first with Fant4stic and now with XA. If they respect the fans they will be rewarded with Deadpool-like success. If they keep taking liberties with what we love the fans won't show up. It's just that simple.

I suggest you and these FOX producers start taking these "moans" seriously.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Looks like the box office results are disappointing and the film is only likely to break even (not counting marketing costs).

Here's what I'd do. I'd make Fassbender a cameo and completely drop Lawrence since their contracts are over. I'd make the next film Peters' last before he and whoever the new Mystique is get their own film. Then I'd focus on Cyclops, Storm and Jean. Logan would be present but he has his own series. Gambit, Quicksilver and Nightcrawler would be the comic relief.

I'd move Singer and Kinberg into producer roles, let a new director take over and bring David Hayter back to write the screenplay.

Lawrence and possibly Fassbender are likely gone.Peters may have another film since fox likes to have 3 film deals now.

Big no to mystique in solo film.we don't need any more solo film.

Singer is probally gone now.as fan of his i don't want him as producer if he isn't directing.noone will give him any credit so leave it to kinberg.Very
unlikely they pull Kinberg away.they should but they won't.especilly since he seems to be one guiding the franchise.

 

[MadVillainy]

Your view of this situation is woefully short sighted.

This film is seriously underperforming with a soft $65 million opening. This is not an opinion--it's a fact. You claim the fans have been "moaning"? Well, you can bet your ass that FOX will be moaning over these embarrassing box office returns.

FOX continues to ignore the audience and the audience is now effectively whipping their ass--first with Fant4stic and now with XA. If they respect the fans they will be rewarded with Deadpool-like success. If they keep taking liberties with what we love the fans won't show up. It's just that simple.

I suggest you and these FOX producers start taking these "moans" seriously.

I dont think the fans not showing up is necessarily the problem. I mean yeah it is a problem but I think the bigger problem is that the GA isn't showing up.

Yes it'll be cool to see things more accurate but first and foremost it's important to have a good movie

They aren't mutually exlusive though. You can make an accurate and good movie at the same time. But I think actually trying to have too much fanservice actually hurt this film

 

[Tymminator]

there are plenty of people online who want X-men films to fail and be given to disney.i have heard that time and time and time again.

whenever they try to change things up and there was some of that in apocalypse and now there will be more of that.who knows whoever replaces singer will go.

I'm not talking online, in talking in the last few pages in this forum on the HYPE.

I see people online wanting the MCU to fail or even make YouTube videos on how all their movies are failures.

I don't see that here so there is no point worrying about it in any fashion. Truth to tell, even if it WAS here it would not really be anything to worry about because it doesn't reflect reality.

 

[Electrix]

Interesting perspective. Tend to agree.

At a glance, it is a sequel to X-Men: Days of Future Past that is playing like a straight sequel to X-Men: First Class.

And in that sense, the $65 million Fri-Sun/$80m Fri-Mon debut weekend for Bryan Singer’s trilogy capper is a reminder that A) this franchise’s best days may be long behind it and B) Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine and/or the original cast (Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, Halle Berry, etc.) are vital to the franchise. Or maybe the proverbial powers-that-be shouldn’t have teased a bunch of new characters (Oscar Isaac’s villain, Olivia Munn as Psylocke) and revamped fan favorites (Alexandra Shipp’s Storm, Sophie Turner’s Jean Grey) only to focus again on Magneto’s passion play.

It’s still going to do okay in relation to its $178 million budget. The film earned $55m overseas this weekend for a $185m foreign total and a $250m worldwide cume. For the record, there is no shame if it merely ends up with $165m domestic and $500m worldwide. But at some point this franchise is going to have to stop telling the same story if it wants to evolve past nostalgic fandom. The franchise has to evolve past telling stories centered around Magneto or Wolverine.

Otherwise, the series that made the world safe for comic book superhero films may no longer be fit to live among its brethren.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...omparatively-meager-80m-weekend/#7e19992918c0

 

[JEM]

Interesting perspective. Tend to agree.



http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...omparatively-meager-80m-weekend/#7e19992918c0

i said before, i said again, All New X Men with the new cast.
In fact, you have Phoenix and Shiar Empire in the book.

 

[Tymminator]

Like I said in the CW Box office thread, I think the Warriors/game 7 are going to effect BO tomorrow and I'm not just talking Apocalypse or Civil War but all movies across the board. Maybe only straight up kid-friendly movies like the Jungle Book might take the smallest drops. But hell, I'm no expert.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Interesting perspective. Tend to agree.



http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...omparatively-meager-80m-weekend/#7e19992918c0

after what forbes said before i don't care what they have to say on X-men
but after apocalypse underperformed change is coming.for starters bryan singer is likely gone as many here wanted.Jennifer lawrence too is likely gone.and Michael fassbender may be too..

Fox isn't going to do another OT film.the one person who raised that possibilty is likely gone now-Singer.

Fox may try to convince jackman not to leave and even if they succeed he
probally would be with the younger apocalypse cast and Mcavoy In X-men sequel not an OT sequel.if not they will probally recast wolverine.

storm will probally get larger role in sequel with more focus on cyclops and
jean.if they follow through with phoenix depends on who replaces Singer.

Fox will probally put Olivia Munn in X-force and say screw contunity or X-force will just ignore the apocalypse version of psylocke but keep Munn in role.

 

[MadVillainy]

No way this cost 178 million. Damn near every shot was dripping in money

 

[marvelrobbins]

i said before, i said again, All New X Men with the new cast.
In fact, you have Phoenix and Shiar Empire in the book.

terrable idea.just as it was in comics.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Interesting perspective. Tend to agree.



http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...omparatively-meager-80m-weekend/#7e19992918c0

Those are great points.

And Forbes is right: this film did play as a bait-and-switch. For example, they kept playing up the newly cast characters i.e. Storm. But when you got in the actual theater she was a wallflower for 75% of the film. And every single damn one of her power displays were spoiled in the trailers and spots.

Fans don't like that--and FOX does it A LOT.