Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 3

[superweirdo87]

I disagree with the idea that the audience rewarded Deadpool strictly because it adhered to source material. Its adherence might have helped it capture something that audiences responded to, but other factors came into play too. Audiences dug Deadpool. They liked the heart, the 4-th wall breaking, and the simple story. Deadpool was also so different from what they'd seen in a lot of these movies.

 

[GuestStar2004]

FOX has chosen not to cast any A-listers with this new X-Men line-up. They're cheap (compare that to the blinding star ensembles Marvel is casting for every movie). Such decisions appear to be also driven by a lack of faith in this comic material. They let their previous A-list cast (Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry, Ian McKellan, Patrick Stewart, etc.) go. Clearly these changes are not cutting it for casual fans.

its about the characters not about the A listers, even lawrence i think people over exaggerate on based on their own paranoia about her hollywood success.

Again i will mention guardians of the galaxy as an example where its the 5th highest box office marvel movie of the MCU, it didn't sell on the A listers, infact it made more then DOFP which had all the A listers, and if that doesn't show you that A listers ain't what people are instantly attracted too... then i dunno what will.

 

[marvelrobbins]

So much this.

One wonders how different things would be in a world where, instead of First Class, they went the whole nine yards and did a hard reboot, set in the current years with a slew of new cast as iconic favourites.

I mean, JLaw as Rogue is what you want. Not her as Mystique and forcing the character to fit a more prominent role to utilize her star power.

fox was never going to do a reboot as long as hugh jackman was doing another wolverine film.

LS hates the X-men films and wants them to be just like MCU.

Jennifer lawrence as rogue? just no.

There is always the possibly you'll get what you want and they reboot X-men after wolverine hits next march.

 

[MadVillainy]

Oh I know you didn't. But I've seen others mention it here and I'm too lazy to do a multi-quote.




Yes, but even casual fans are hip to things that don't work. For example, FOX has (mistakenly) put all of their hope in this First Class actor circle. They plastered JLaw all over the marketing as the leader of the X-Men. General audiences (mistakenly) already think that Wolveine is the X-Men's leader. So a visual change as simple as that can turn viewers off--and that's without even picking up a comic book. It's all about presentation.

FOX has chosen not to cast any A-listers with this new X-Men line-up. They're cheap (compare that to the blinding star ensembles Marvel is casting for every movie). Such decisions appear to be also driven by a lack of faith in this comic material. They let their previous A-list cast (Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry, Ian McKellan, Patrick Stewart, etc.) go. Clearly these changes are not cutting it for casual fans.

Us fanboys are over it for other reasons.

Now Im confused because at first we were talking about not being faithful to the source material.

I agree with some of what you said here, but that wasn't what we were talking about beforehand to my recollection.

 

[Double B]

Realistically, if we're going for a popular but not overpopulated line-up:

Cyclops, Jean, Wolverine, Storm, Rogue, Gambit, Iceman, Nightcrawler/Colossus, Jubilee/Shadowcat.

 

[Blade X]

You 'fix' them by giving the X-men, not prof X, Magneto, and Lawrence, but the actual X-men, character, history, camaderie, team dynamics and a sense of them being a family.

You know, like Guardians of the Galaxy.

Quoted for the truth. They also need to have all of the heroes and villains wear colorful costumes and FOX needs to get together with Marvel/Disney and completely reboot the X-Men (and Fantastic 4) movie franchise as part of the MCU.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Drew McWeeny and Roth Cornet talk about what's next for the X-Men.


http://www.hitfix.com/the-dartboard/it-seems-pretty-obvious-that-x-men-apocalypse-is-setting-this-balls-to-the-wall-storyline-up-fandemonium

IMO, i don't think you will see big change by Fox because they already work fo the evolution. Most critics are the franchise need evolve but it seems like they forgot New Mutant, Gambit, Deadpool 2, X Force ect. Beside, people are tired about Xavier, Magneto, Mystique. It's fine the new cast will be the next lead.

The big question are if Singer will tay director or not and the timeline. For now, they want stay in the past but some people want present days X Men.
We will see.

they won't bring back original cast so X-men won't be in present.New mutants is likely set in past too from talk mcavoy and shipp will be In it.

Singer is probally gone so from now on Kinberg will be the whipping boy.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I disagree with the idea that the audience rewarded Deadpool strictly because it adhered to source material. Its adherence might have helped it capture something that audiences responded to, but other factors came into play too. Audiences dug Deadpool. They liked the heart, the 4-th wall breaking, and the simple story. Deadpool was also so different from what they'd seen in a lot of these movies.

Deadpool is Deadpool and the producers made sure to tell the audience that over and over, infact thats likely why Colossus was in the movie so deadpool could show the audience he ain't X-Men material, this guy is a smart ass rebel who will throw out R rated insults at whoever he wants and say outrageous things

 

[marvelrobbins]

Quoted for the truth. They also need to have all of the heroes and villains wear colorful costumes and FOX needs to get together with Marvel/Disney and completely reboot the X-Men (and Fantastic 4) movie franchise as part of the MCU.

and people try to say noone wants X-men to fail and be given to disney

 

[Smilodon]

Why on earth would they reboot after Wolverine lol. That movie is a probably a low budget rated R film that can make a profit. There's so much time before they get to the future that they can make all the changes (sans recasting the Apocalypse cast) they would normally do with a reboot without actually having to reboot. Wolverine III will take place in the future, may lock with Deadpool and most certainly will acknowledge Apocalypse etc.

These stupid decade jumps give them all the freedom in the world basically to change things in between films. They don't need a hard reset for anything. It'd be easier sure, but they'll just course correct (if there's even a massive course correction to do, they seem to be setting up Phoenix saga as is which would inherently focus on Jean and co. so)

They just need a creative shot or two or three or four in the arm with new blood.

 

[psyonic]

I wonder Fox will do though, continue with new cast and have the movie set in the 90s as planned, which seems like a big risk now or consider that they need the OT cast to anchor future movies. This should also affect The New Mutants but who knows..

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

Realistically, if we're going for a popular but not overpopulated line-up:

Cyclops, Jean, Wolverine, Storm, Rogue, Gambit, Iceman, Nightcrawler/Colossus, Jubilee/Shadowcat.

Nine is still too much. Avengers had six and most had solo movies to develop them first. If you want a box office hit, that's the model.

 

[GuestStar2004]

people are tired about Xavier, Magneto, Mystique. It's fine the new cast will be the next lead.

thats the thing isn't it when you say people are tired of magneto... he didn't actually appear much in the trailer so there was no real sign there how much of a role he had until people see the movie, so any casual audience who see the movie were not avoiding the movie because of magneto

its just easy to instantly blame it on xavier,magneto and mystique purely because singer has put alot of focus onto them and there is this idea that take out what was done for the film series and make it like the comics and the audience will rush to see the movie.

there does need to be a change but that change isn't remove characters who take up screentime and everything will be better

 

[JEM]

they won't bring back original cast so X-men won't be in present.New mutants is likely set in past too from talk mcavoy and shipp will be In it.

Singer is probally gone so from now on Kinberg will be the whipping boy.

Lol you seems to know everything you work at Fox
Like Drew McWeeny, They have different option because Singer, Kinberg, Donner create a good fondation for them. So, they will do what whatever they want because the franchise allow it now .

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

LS hates the X-men films and wants them to be just like MCU.

Wrong.

I don't "hate" the X-Men films. The X-Men films hate ME.

They've never given me the characters that I love. They focus on things the studio loves for financial gain. So no, it is FOX who is repudiating fans like me by continuously churning out s****y CBMs year after year.

And YOU, marvelrobbins, are threatened by the success of the MCU. It's all you talk about. Perhaps it's because you work for FOX? Is your profit share getting decimated by these poor performing "hero" films? If so, no need to "moan" about it. Send your resume to Disney--life may be better there.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I wonder Fox will do though, continue with new cast and have the movie set in the 90s as planned, which seems like a big risk now or consider that they need the OT cast to anchor future movies. This should also affect The New Mutants but who knows..

What would the OT cast anchoring the movie do? like The Wolverine with jackman and famke we all know that you need them all involved otherwise it doesn't make top money ;p

Excluding reviews obviously.

 

[psyonic]

they won't bring back original cast so X-men won't be in present.New mutants is likely set in past too from talk mcavoy and shipp will be In it.

Singer is probally gone so from now on Kinberg will be the whipping boy.

How do you know? Or are you assuming again for like the millionth time.. people said we would never see the OT cast after X3 and guess what? Days of Future Past happened.

Please give us a reason why they won't bring back the original cast.. because the way I see it, anything can happen.

 

[MadVillainy]

Some of you guys man...

 

[marvelrobbins]

Why on earth would they reboot after Wolverine lol. That movie is a probably a low budget rated R film that can make a profit. There's so much time before they get to the future that they can make all the changes (sans recasting the Apocalypse cast) they would normally do with a reboot without actually having to reboot. Wolverine III will take place in the future, may lock with Deadpool and most certainly will acknowledge Apocalypse etc.

These stupid decade jumps give them all the freedom in the world basically to change things in between films. They don't need a hard reset for anything. It'd be easier sure, but they'll just course correct (if there's even a massive course correction to do, they seem to be setting up Phoenix saga as is which would inherently focus on Jean and co. so)

They just need a creative shot or two or three or four in the arm with new blood.

with singer gone who knows what his replacement will do although Kinberg seems to want to do dark phoenix.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

Why on earth would they reboot after Wolverine lol. That movie is a probably a low budget rated R film that can make a profit. There's so much time before they get to the future that they can make all the changes (sans recasting the Apocalypse cast) they would normally do with a reboot without actually having to reboot. Wolverine III will take place in the future, may lock with Deadpool and most certainly will acknowledge Apocalypse etc.

These stupid decade jumps give them all the freedom in the world basically to change things in between films. They don't need a hard reset for anything. It'd be easier sure, but they'll just course correct (if there's even a massive course correction to do, they seem to be setting up Phoenix saga as is which would inherently focus on Jean and co. so)

They just need a creative shot or two or three or four in the arm with new blood.

They are stupid, because actors don't age at this pace and it's unbelievable. So they must stay in the 80s or leap yet another decade to the 90s, or set it in modern times and recast everybody with much older actors -thirty-five years older than the 16 yr olds we just saw in 1983! 50 yr old Cyke, Jean and Storm?

May as well reboot out of this mess.

 

[Smilodon]

with singer gone who knows what his replacement will do although Kinberg seems to want to do dark phoenix.

Which is exactly what I said lol.

 

[ImSGirl95]

And YOU, marvelrobbins, are threatened by the success of the MCU.

Yeah, the amount of posts he spends talking on the MCU is frightening.

 

[marvelrobbins]

How do you know? Or are you assuming again for like the millionth time.. people said we would never see the OT cast after X3 and guess what? Days of Future Past happened.

Please give us a reason why they won't bring back the original cast.. because the way I see it, anything can happen.

they brought the original cast back to create intrest in fc sequel no matter what they claim.

fox in last 10 years have shown no intrest at all in doing original cast film.

and do people think they would do it without the 3 biggest stars of original cast-Hugh jackman,patrick stewart,and Ian Mckellen?

 

[JEM]

thats the thing isn't it when you say people are tired of magneto... he didn't actually appear much in the trailer so there was no real sign there how much of a role he had until people see the movie, so any casual audience who see the movie were not avoiding the movie because of magneto

its just easy to instantly blame it on xavier,magneto and mystique purely because singer has put alot of focus onto them and there is this idea that take out what was done for the film series and make it like the comics and the audience will rush to see the movie.

there does need to be a change but that change isn't remove characters who take up screentime and everything will be better

Personally, i am not tired Xavier, Magneto and Mystique and i loved Eric storyline in Apocalypse. My point is you heard they need to change, they need to change. But XA was their conclusion and they will be not the focus in the next movies if Fox stays with the plan.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

its about the characters not about the A listers, even lawrence i think people over exaggerate on based on their own paranoia about her hollywood success.

Again i will mention guardians of the galaxy as an example where its the 5th highest box office marvel movie of the MCU, it didn't sell on the A listers, infact it made more then DOFP which had all the A listers, and if that doesn't show you that A listers ain't what people are instantly attracted too... then i dunno what will.

Normally I'd agree with you. But at this point, I think they need some serious star power to anchor this franchise again. I mean, the proof's in the pudding GuestStar: First Class was not a big hit. And XA just opened with a mere $65 million. The only difference between the two was DoFP and I think it's crystal clear now why that film was so successful--the OT actors buoyed the FC cast and drew the audiences back.