Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 4

[TheNewSlayer]

If Fox was half smart they'd use Deadpool in Wolverine 3, as long as with the real Rogue from the comics that fans have being asking for years. But I'm guessing will be some boring cast of unpopular mutants from the comics.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Franchises wane and wax. This may just be a low period for the franchise. X-men could be back on top a few years from now.

Except X-men was never on top. The OT was in the shadow of Raimi's Spider-Man.

 

[marvelrobbins]

If Fox was half smart they'd use Deadpool in Wolverine 3, as long as with the real Rogue from the comics that fans have being asking for years. But I'm guessing will be some boring cast of unpopular mutants from the comics.

time again for someone to threw water to reality.With an r rating the next wolverine film isn't going to have a huge budget.That Is likely why Mangold got fox to go with r rating for film.

Ignoring fact fox doesn't have rights to ms marvel rogue people want is basicly a southern supergirl.flying,superstrong,invincable.

and trying to go all fan service didn't help Apocalypse.and wolverine has a smaller budget than Apocalypse.If rogue shows up it will likely be cameo or small role.

That is still jackman's alleged final film as wolverine.shouldn't it be about
wolverine instead of rogue and deadpool fanservice.already there is
danger of X-23 overshadowing it.

 

[GuestStar2004]

If Fox was half smart they'd use Deadpool in Wolverine 3, as long as with the real Rogue from the comics that fans have being asking for years. But I'm guessing will be some boring cast of unpopular mutants from the comics.

It may seem smart to include deadpool in everything to make money but it wouldn't be smart at all

 

[kguillou]

Except X-men was never on top. The OT was in the shadow of Raimi's Spider-Man.

Thats a good point, the X-Men films never made gangbusters money. X3 was the peak ($460 mill) until DoFP came and shocked everyone. So, that reinforces my question of: Does the GA really care that much about X-Men or are they just tired of them? Was DoFP purely a novelty thing that brought so many people to the theater?

 

[ApophènX]

I think it's about execution and finding stuff that resonates with the audience. This particular movie seemed very typical of stuff they had seen before. The breakout success of deadpool said audiences wanted something different.

Deadpool wasn't something that different, it was only violent and a guy making funny jokes through the all movie. i found the start promising but the ending totally un-creative. People want the same thing buut in a different manner, so they are a bit out of their comfort zone but not too much. It is not like they went experimental.

DoFP is the best exemple, the all movie is a re-telling of X2. Wich was meta and great because of time travel.

 

[GuestStar2004]

X3 made $459 Mil in 2006

Spider-man 3 made $890 Mil in 2006

X-Men just hasn't got that edge, and what makes it worse now compared to back then is how little marvel care about X-Men, there are no cartoons, games or toys

 

[Electrix]

Thats a good point, the X-Men films never made gangbusters money. X3 was the peak ($460 mill) until DoFP came and shocked everyone. So, that reinforces my question of: Does the GA really care that much about X-Men or are they just tired of them? Was DoFP purely a novelty thing that brought so many people to the theater?

DoFP was a mini-X4. It also offered cool things people want to see such as mutants vs. giant robots, and a unique time travel element. Nostalgia from the original trilogy will have also helped.

Apocalypse is the biggest movie in terms of scope, but big CGI worldwide destruction has been seen before. It's also playing more like a sequel to First Class at the box office as it lacks any familiar faces from the original trilogy. The trailers weren't that great either compared to other movies this summer and previous X-Men movies.

 

[metaphysician]

The X-Men need scenes like this action wise:

I was legit crying during this scene.

This. And not just because gigantic team battle scenes are awesome. The X-Men have always been about "the team is greater than the sum of its parts". Just imagine this kind of a scene, with the X-Men: each member attacking, guarding, setting up, tanking, and flanking for the others. Cyclops at the center, blasting the enemies while trusting his teammates to protect him. Nightcrawler bamfing in and out, all over the battlefield. Phoenix shielding teammates, and tossing enemies into her allies' attacks. Colossus striding forth as an unstoppable force, gathering up all the enemies upon him.

Its what we should have.

 

[Superhero 101]

Is the budget really 178?

 

[Electrix]

Deadpool wasn't something that different, it was only violent and a guy making funny jokes through the all movie. i found the start promising but the ending totally un-creative. People want the same thing buut in a different manner, so they are a bit out of their comfort zone but not too much. It is not like they went experimental.

DoFP is the best exemple, the all movie is a re-telling of X2. Wich was meta and great because of time travel.

Timing is a key element people forget. Deadpool dropped mid-February with zero competition. Star Wars had pretty much ran it's course and there was nothing else to grab a wide audience until Gods of Egypt (which bombed), The Divergent Series: Allegiant (also bombed). Nothing until Batman vs. Superman around 5 weeks later.

Would Deadpool have been that successful it it dropped this weekend? Probably not.

I think Apocalypse is bad timing by Fox.

 

[JEM]

First X Men trilogy was a big franchise. Adjusted, X3 made 306 million and X2 305 million. Spider-Man was more popular but X-Men was big too.

 

[daddydivine]

This. And not just because gigantic team battle scenes are awesome. The X-Men have always been about "the team is greater than the sum of its parts". Just imagine this kind of a scene, with the X-Men: each member attacking, guarding, setting up, tanking, and flanking for the others. Cyclops at the center, blasting the enemies while trusting his teammates to protect him. Nightcrawler bamfing in and out, all over the battlefield. Phoenix shielding teammates, and tossing enemies into her allies' attacks. Colossus striding forth as an unstoppable force, gathering up all the enemies upon him.

Its what we should have.

Yeah... we've never got OG xmen teamwork that can hold its own against the avengers.

 

[kguillou]

Thats true. We didnt get giant splash page action shots. However, we did get teamwork and got to the them use their powers together to take down the villain which is just as good to me. This film disllayed the Xmen's powers like we've never seen before and was a giant step towards a film where we the fully formed XMEN work in unison.

 

[Iceman]

Thats a good point, the X-Men films never made gangbusters money. X3 was the peak ($460 mill) until DoFP came and shocked everyone. So, that reinforces my question of: Does the GA really care that much about X-Men or are they just tired of them? Was DoFP purely a novelty thing that brought so many people to the theater?

The GA don't know. They've not experienced the real characters outside of a few favourites. Even in the best films we didn't see some of the most important characters present or doing much. I bet nearly every single GA guy (non-comic or AS fan) will tell you they prefer Wolverine to Cyclops or Storm whereas in other media its more balanced as people have seen the positives of the other characters too. The GA may be tired of this limited universe we are getting. As a fan I enjoy Apocalypse despite what it doesn't do right but I don't know how I would feel about it if I wasn't invested in X-Men.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The danger room stuff in apocalypse is probably visually the most comicbooky this franchise has ever had

 

[Iceman]

The danger room stuff in apocalypse is probably visually the most comicbooky this franchise has ever had

Was a great way to end yeah.

 

[superweirdo87]

"Does the GA really care that much about X-Men or are they just tired of them? Was DoFP purely a novelty thing that brought so many people to the theater?"

Obviously, the GA does not deeply care about the X-Men. Given that Batman V. Superman did less than GOTG and Deadpool with its HUUUUGEE OW, I think brand only counts for so much vs. execution.

I don't know if the GA is just tired of the X-Men, but I think it is tired of the Singer X-Men movies and the familiar tropes that come with them like the focus on Professor X and Magneto. I also think it's exhausted from doomsday scenarios and cities falling destruction.

Obviously, the combined cast and other elements of DOFP drew intrigued casual moviegoers more. It was also better reviewed and liked. 91 RT/74 Metacritic and A Cinema score.

I do think also the X4 element helped. It seems for a lot of people who are less regular moviegoers.

Quality/hook and the original cast made a difference with DOFP.

 

[superweirdo87]

The GA don't know. They've not experienced the real characters outside of a few favourites. Even in the best films we didn't see some of the most important characters present or doing much. I bet nearly every single GA guy (non-comic or AS fan) will tell you they prefer Wolverine to Cyclops or Storm whereas in other media its more balanced as people have seen the positives of the other characters too. The GA may be tired of this limited universe we are getting. As a fan I enjoy Apocalypse despite what it doesn't do right but I don't know how I would feel about it if I wasn't invested in X-Men.

I think another challenge of the limited universe is that it makes it seem like more of the same. Audiences respond to novelty or freshness mixed into the superhero formula, and the limited universe makes it feel like more of the same.

 

[BeholdMe]

I don't think people are tired of XMen in general yet they are tired of Singers-Kinbergs version of XMen they continue to put out. That's the issue they are holding this back from being so much greater than it could be. We need someone on board who can bring the proper characterizations for each character and not have pointless mute characters.

 

[Iceman]

"Does the GA really care that much about X-Men or are they just tired of them? Was DoFP purely a novelty thing that brought so many people to the theater?"

Obviously, the GA does not deeply care about the X-Men. Given that Batman V. Superman did less than GOTG and Deadpool with its HUUUUGEE OW, I think brand only counts for so much vs. execution.

I don't know if the GA is just tired of the X-Men, but I think it is tired of the Singer X-Men movies and the familiar tropes that come with them like the focus on Professor X and Magneto. I also think it's exhausted from doomsday scenarios and cities falling destruction.

Obviously, the combined cast and other elements of DOFP drew intrigued casual moviegoers more. It was also better reviewed and liked. 91 RT/74 Metacritic and A Cinema score.

I do think also the X4 element helped. It seems for a lot of people who are less regular moviegoers.

Quality/hook and the original cast made a difference with DOFP.

I think another challenge of the limited universe is that it makes it seem like more of the same. Audiences respond to novelty or freshness mixed into the superhero formula, and the limited universe makes it feel like more of the same.

Agreed x2.

I think there is still a lot of potential in X-films when the filmmakers finally get all aspects of it right (unlike now when they are nailing some aspects, doing well on other but doing badly on the rest).

 

[Iceman]

I don't think people are tired of XMen in general yet they are tired of Singers-Kinbergs version of XMen they continue to put out. That's the issue they are holding this back from being so much greater than it could be. We need someone on board who can bring the proper characterizations for each character and not have pointless mute characters.

Also agreed. Seems like a lot of fans are thinking the same even though most seem to have found some positives in Apocalypse, and in general seem to like the new cast. I think a sequel to this using many of the characters introduced (including the mutes lol) can be really good if they get everything right, and give Magneto and Mystique a well deserved rest.

 

[Raiden]

X3 made $459 Mil in 2006

Spider-man 3 made $890 Mil in 2006

X-Men just hasn't got that edge, and what makes it worse now compared to back then is how little marvel care about X-Men, there are no cartoons, games or toys

I fully understand why Marvel won't support X-Men, because right now the comics are used to advertise for movies and they have no reason to support those movies made by Fox. Same thing with cartoons and games. For toys, Marvel would have to share profits with Fox for any movie related merchandises and since their relationship is rather soured Marvel/Disney don't want to give Fox any more profits. Until one day Fox and Marvel work things out to become a true partnership nothing will changed.

 

[BeholdMe]

Also agreed. Seems like a lot of fans are thinking the same even though most seem to have found some positives in Apocalypse, and in general seem to like the new cast. I think a sequel to this using many of the characters introduced (including the mutes lol) can be really good if they get everything right, and give Magneto and Mystique a well deserved rest.

I agree Magneto and Mystique really need to go, I've grown fatigue with seeing them in every movie. It's time to let them go. I agree though bringing in the new cast well bringing them back for the next film and have them shown correctly and give the focus of an XMen film to the actual XMen and I think it'll be a lot better received.

 

[GuestStar2004]

"Does the GA really care that much about X-Men or are they just tired of them? Was DoFP purely a novelty thing that brought so many people to the theater?"

Obviously, the GA does not deeply care about the X-Men. Given that Batman V. Superman did less than GOTG and Deadpool with its HUUUUGEE OW, I think brand only counts for so much vs. execution.

I don't know if the GA is just tired of the X-Men, but I think it is tired of the Singer X-Men movies and the familiar tropes that come with them like the focus on Professor X and Magneto. I also think it's exhausted from doomsday scenarios and cities falling destruction.

Obviously, the combined cast and other elements of DOFP drew intrigued casual moviegoers more. It was also better reviewed and liked. 91 RT/74 Metacritic and A Cinema score.

I do think also the X4 element helped. It seems for a lot of people who are less regular moviegoers.

Quality/hook and the original cast made a difference with DOFP.

DOFP had more gimmick, time travel = gimmick, 2 casts being treated as a cross over = gimmick, Robots = Gimmick

Now obviously gimmick works better the first time, like the avengers movies which haven't ever topped the first Avengers movie and civil war didn't even make as much as iron man 3

Bryan wanted to market the movie has a mass destruction movie but he has also said he was being very careful not to do to much destruction... which you can't really do

When it comes to the OC i don't think they are the draw people think they are, audiences have shown they are willing to accept something new with gaurdians of the galaxy, deadpool as a solo made alot of money and that wasn't because of colossus, it was because both were something they had not seen before, they technically were new casts, unless you count ryan from Origins but that didn't turn anyone off

And the wolverine solos do ok, one had an all star mess of characters which did pretty considering it was leaked early and the other was a smaller scope movie with famke returning as jean and was 3D and didn't make that much more, infact take away the 3D it could have made about the same or less then Origins

The whole idea of nostalgia is one of the reasons this franchise continues to go back to old ideas and say if the audience so was unwilling to accept any other cast as the X-Men while we can recast batman and spider-man several times... then yeah this franchise is in trouble because people do not care about the X-Men, it really would be just nostalgia.