Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 4

[Frankeh]

That's because people keep bringing up MCU.

Why does it matter what people say here, though? If they know they are wrong anyways. MCU fans have nothing to prove -- the MCU is winning right now.

I'm pretty sure X-Men movies may be badmouthed here and there in MCU boards, do X-Men board posters show up there white knighting them too? Maybe I'm mistaken and they are. If so I understand.

 

[Blade X]

For the first Captain America movie, Marvel had to release it as The First Avenger and avoid the name "America" in the title. In some parts around the world, America carries a negative imagery rather than a positive one. I think the success of MCU and the popularity of the character Captain America has helped a lot since then, but Avengers will always sell a movie better by comparison.

So I take it that many (NOT ALL) of the people who live in those country's where America carries a negative imagery are complete idiots, since a person has to be dumb as hell if they hate America but still pay to see a movie where the lead character runs around in a uniform based off of the American flag and who is called "Captain America" within the movie.

 

[Raiden]

Hero vs hero is only appealing to most (NOT ALL) people when the conflict between the heroes is either completely or partially resolved and they all unite to fight a common foe. So I think that those who hated the hero vs hero plot in CW MIGHT have enjoyed the movie more if the Cap/Bucky vs Iron Man fight was not the final major fight scene of he movie and didn't end with the heroes not resolving their differences and uniting to fight a common foe.

Having Cap and IM just resolved their differences at the end of a movie and fought against a common foe is such a cliche way to telling a story (see BVS). The fact that the team is fractured and Steve Rogers is no longer Cap at the end of CW gave much more weight and repercussion to the whole conflict that was initiated at the beginning of the movie.

 

[Blade X]

A lot of people hate America

And yet, many (NOT ALL) of those same people would do almost anything to live here. So again, I say SCREW THEM.

 

[Raiden]

So I take it that many (NOT ALL) of the people who live in those country's where America carries a negative imagery are complete idiots, since a person has to be dumb as hell if they hate America but still pay to see a movie where the lead character runs around in a uniform based off of the American flag and who is called "Captain America" within the movie.

Apparently those moviegoers would go see a MCU movie as long it doesn't have "America" in the title. I think it is moronic as well, but the Disney marketing team understands those territories better than us so if they believe a title change is needed, then I guess they must be.

 

[Blade X]

Having Cap and IM just resolved their differences at the end of a movie and fought against a common foe is such a cliche way to telling a story (see BVS). The fact that the team is fractured and Steve Rogers is no longer Cap at the end of CW gave much more weight and repercussion to the whole conflict that was initiated at the beginning of the movie.

Like I also said in my post, they could have PARTIALLY resolved their issues, which means that they could have united against the common foe and still ended up with the same outcome/ending.

 

[Raiden]

Like I also said in my post, they could have PARTIALLY resolved their issues, which means that they could have united against the common foe and still ended up with the same outcome/ending.

I don't think fighting against a common foe would have made the movie better. I think the battle between IM and Cap/WS was a lot more nail-biting and intense than if they were to fight against a CGI creature or a mustache-twisting villain. And the way the movie ended made the resolution very bittersweet, which kind of reminds me of ESB.

 

[Blade X]

Both a Gambit and Rogue movie would flop they don't have enough compelling story away from the XMen to work solo in a movie, neither of them are Deadpool or Wolverine even with a great characterization a Rogue solo would stil flop. All we can hope is when she is introduced again they get it right and do more with the character.

Quoted for the truth.

 

[Blade X]

If Dredd had a Marvel logo it would've did better.

If DREDD had a bigger budget (to make the futuristic apocalyptic world of DREAD look more fantastic) and didn't look like a straight to video or straight to SYFY Channel B movie it would have done better. And I say this as someone who liked DREDD. If this movie had today's equivalent budget of the 90's JUDGE DREAD film, this movie MIGHT have been a huge hit at the box office.

 

[Blade X]

Is it only Kinberg though?
The whole creative team needs to be disassembled. Singer, Donner, Kinberg ... buh-bye.
Get some fresh blood. Somebody who is willing to take a stand and be a X-Men fan.

Quoted for the truth.

 

[Blade X]

I don't think fighting against a common foe would have made the movie better. I think the battle between IM and Cap/WS was a lot more nail-biting and intense than if they were to fight against a CGI creature or a mustache-twisting villain. And the way the movie ended made the resolution very bittersweet, which kind of reminds me of ESB.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. I'm just saying that a partial resolution of the conflict between Cap and Iron Man with them uniting ONLY to fight a common foe might have gone over better with those who didn't like the hero vs hero final fight scene.

 

[DavidHaller]

I am quite suprised to see how many people are utterly resistant to see the degree of depth, social commentary and beauty the X-Men movies gave us in a mainstream sci-fi movie production.

We X-Men fans are totally spoiled that we got a beautiful franchise like this in the last 16 years that can even be enjoyed by academics and is critically acclaimed!

Unfortunately, all of this work collapsed with 'X-Men: Apocalypse' and Singer gave in to whiny fanboy talk on the internet and stopped to listen to his own guts and aesthetic.

We went from great sci-fi movies to dull comic-book-nonsense (best summed up by Psylocke's sexist bikini outfit and it's general disregard for silent women of color)...'X-Men: Apocalypse' was truely a franchise killer!

Let's see what comes after Singer but I doubt that any director will give us a similar degree of sophisticastion! Fox obviously doesn't understand what made their franchise successful in the first place.

 

[Silver Surfer]

This seriously lost to that chick flick euthenaisa movie? for second place?

 

[ImSGirl95]

This seriously lost to that chick flick euthenaisa movie? for second place?

Yup.

 

[chamber-music]

The first cap movie did better overseas than domestically if I recall right.

If DREDD had a bigger budget (to make the futuristic apocalyptic world of DREAD look more fantastic) and didn't look like a straight to video or straight to SYFY Channel B movie it would have done better. And I say this as someone who liked DREDD. If this movie had today's equivalent budget of the 90's JUDGE DREAD film, this movie MIGHT have been a huge hit at the box office.

Yep. People love going on about how dredd flopped but seem to ignore that it was a low budget indie movie that lionsgate brought the distribution rights to. Lionsgate didn't finance the making of movie and put minimal cash into marketing it. Dredd cost less than the nineties movie and less than deadpool.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I don't think fighting against a common foe would have made the movie better. I think the battle between IM and Cap/WS was a lot more nail-biting and intense than if they were to fight against a CGI creature or a mustache-twisting villain. And the way the movie ended made the resolution very bittersweet, which kind of reminds me of ESB.

One of the best things about Civil War is that it DIDN'T do the cliche 'heroes unite to stop the real villain' thing.

 

[X-Maniac]

all of this work collapsed with 'X-Men: Apocalypse' and Singer gave in to whiny fanboy talk on the internet and stopped to listen to his own guts and aesthetic.

We went from great sci-fi movies to dull comic-book-nonsense (best summed up by Psylocke's sexist bikini outfit and it's general disregard for silent women of color)...'X-Men: Apocalypse' was truely a franchise killer!

How do you KNOW what Singer intended before supposedly 'giving in to whiny fanboy talk'?

Psylocke's outfit was hardly the cause of the film's mixed reception. The lack of characterisation was an issue though - surveys showed 24 per cent of people went to see the movie because they liked Olivia Munn and that Psylocke was the sixth most popular mutant in the movie. Yet we got a silent henchwoman.

Storm was the third most popular mutant in the movie. What happened to her characterisation?

Since most of the 'whiny fanboys' wanted strong roles for Storm and Psylocke before the movie - and definitely whined after the movie that this had not happened, I'm not sure who Singer was listening to.

Storm and Psylocke have been mentioned more than Mystique, according to this social media analysis.

No one on here was whining for Storm, Jubilee, Angel and Psylocke to be shafted in the characterisation/dialogue/personality departments, and no one was whining for Apocalypse's characterisation to be reduced to soap-box speeches. Had those things been sorted out (ie better villain, better screentime balance), then the film would have been better and so would the reviews....

 

[psylockolussus]

Psylocke's outfit was amazing! And they should keep that look for the next film.

But this movie not getting the praise only just proved that having colorful costumes is not enough to produce a great movie.

 

[iacobusleo]

I am quite suprised to see how many people are utterly resistant to see the degree of depth, social commentary and beauty the X-Men movies gave us in a mainstream sci-fi movie production.

We X-Men fans are totally spoiled that we got a beautiful franchise like this in the last 16 years that can even be enjoyed by academics and is critically acclaimed!

Unfortunately, all of this work collapsed with 'X-Men: Apocalypse' and Singer gave in to whiny fanboy talk on the internet and stopped to listen to his own guts and aesthetic.

We went from great sci-fi movies to dull comic-book-nonsense (best summed up by Psylocke's sexist bikini outfit and it's general disregard for silent women of color)...'X-Men: Apocalypse' was truely a franchise killer!

Let's see what comes after Singer but I doubt that any director will give us a similar degree of sophisticastion! Fox obviously doesn't understand what made their franchise successful in the first place.

I think it's less 'comic book movies' is nonsense, and more comic book and Singer don't mix well.

When Singer does his own thing (sci-fi thriller, character-driven with a few well-developed leads), it's glorious. Unfortunately, that's not what X-Men has been about to many fans.

X-Men was always camp and had a huge cast each with their own distinct personalities. Also, Singer's favourite characters were rarely the fan favourites. For example, the character work on Charles Xavier in this franchise is superb and possibly the most definitive, but unfortunately he was never representative of the X-Men for many people.

Singer genuinely tried to do right by the fans this time, but he's just not well-suited to it. I think comic book movies can be sophisticated, and I believe there is a director out there who can bring both to the table. Singer unfortunately isn't it, which is a shame.

I didn't grow up with the X-Men so I wouldn't mind a more sci-fi, less comic booky approach to the X-Men, but this is not the pop culture environment we are in so...

 

[GuestStar2004]

Singer stepped up his game but like what kinberg said about the mass destruction angle... singer is very sensitive to some things and he continues to hold back in some places

 

[daddydivine]

I'm seeing alot of deflecting in this thread. I went back 5 pages to find any news about the actual box office. Anyway...

Deadline:
20th Century Fox’s X-Men: Apocalypse is down a bit further than we originally thought with $6.57M on Friday and a second weekend of $22.5M, -66%. Nonetheless, it will cross the century mark with $116.6M by Sunday.

This is gonna be a photo finish to 500 million ww.

 

[psylockolussus]

Yikes! I was expecting a lower 2nd weekend drop compare to Dofp especially the new blockbuster film of the week (Out of the Shadows) is underperforming.

 

[GuestStar2004]

If TMNT 2 Flops i must say i will be shocked, where are all the 90s kids

 

[ImSGirl95]

If TMNT 2 Flops i must say i will be shocked, where are all the 90s kids

Yeah, because all of the 90s kids will accept this version of the TMNT

Give me animated 2003s version any hour of the day and I'm happy!

 

[harryoscop]

Yeah, because all of the 90s kids will accept this version of the TMNT

Give me animated 2003s version any hour of the day and I'm happy!