Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[SuperT]

Who doesn't want the X-Men to have the same level of excitement as the MCU? I do, I want it badly and it's only going to happen if they shake things up. They can't keep going in the same creative direction they're in now.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Who doesn't want the X-Men to have the same level of excitement as the MCU? I do, I want it badly and it's only going to happen if they shake things up. They can't keep going in the same creative direction they're in now.

Fan excitement is insane for the MCU. I love podcast for example and theres like 1 dedicated X-Men movie podcast (Day's of Future Podcast). But the MCU has like 20+ I'd be in heaven if I was a MCU fan.

 

[def28]

Cable is one of the most sought out roles right now so X-Men related hype will be in full swing soon. Just not so much with the main IP. X-23 will get alot of attention as well if that proves to be true.

If they play their cards right with Deadpool 2 and Wolverine 3, X-Force is gonna be big.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Cable is one of the most sought out roles right now so X-Men related hype will be in full swing soon. Just not so much with the main IP

I really feel Eric Dane is the best choice for Cable.

I hate X3 even more if that's the excuse why he can't have the part

Early 40's (Young enough for Cable + X-Force Trilogy)
Over 6 feet
Good actor
Can keep up with Reynold's physically and comically

Just have Deadpool make a meta joke about Multiple Man

 

[jaymes_e06]

Agreed I'd just want him to bulk up 25% more.

 

[Sithborg]

I'd rather no one try to even attempt to get to a Liefield-esque body.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Like Drew McWeeny said, X Franchise is a unique situation for Fox.

ASM 2 was a sequel, second part of trilogy so they were f***. It was difficult to continue with the hate. Whereas XA is conclusion of sorts to the second X-Men trilogy and the beginning of new era. It would have been problematic if audience loved Xavier/Magneto/Mystique and hated the new cast in XA. But, it's the opposite.

Before BVS, Warners said DCEU will be dark and gritty but they changed plan and bring Geoff Johns. It is 180 degree.
Before XA, it seems the plan was to developp others caracters with spin-off and focus on then main team with more colorul costumes. So, i dont think you will see big change.

If you look others project (New Mutant, Deadpool 2, Gambit, Wolverine 3) you have producers Kinberg/Donner and differents writers/director.
So i think it will be the model for the next X Men movie. XA US BO could be disappointed for Fox but they have a lot of possibility two and it is new for them.

Drew McWeeny s' video is very interesting

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/review-x-men-apocalypse-should-please-fans-but-its-awfully-familiar-fare

"I think they have a lot of option on the table and that they wanted"
"Tom Rothman 's vision was small and thx Kinberg/Donner/Singer all the option are on the table"

ASM wasn't in this position at Sony. They have the right plan but they should just make the right decision for the future.
The big question is Singer, he wants a break but after XA, i don't think he wants direct anymore or soon.

except singer prior to box office of apocalypse clearly was open to returning after 20,ooo leagues under the seas.

if he doesn't direct he likely won't be involved.only reason he produced and didn't direct first class was because he owed wb another film and they insisted he make jakc the giant slayer and his contract to do first class was reneograted from directing to be hands on producer.

 

[GuestStar2004]

if he doesn't direct he likely won't be involved.only reason he produced and didn't direct first class was because he owed wb another film and they insisted he make jakc the giant slayer and his contract to do first class was reneograted from directing to be hands on producer.

Why does he have to direct to be involved?

 

[marvelrobbins]

What, we can't compare/contrast franchises?
What's the point of discussing films if you can't do that?

here is the problem.it's fine to consently take potshots at X-men films or even rami spider-man films or ASM films but if you dare critize MCU at all you
get how dare you from some.

it's same with DC films with pre man of steel films being attacked to build DCEU.with star wars it's fine to bash the hell out of george lucas and prequels and even return of the jedi but if you dare say The force awakens isn't greatest star wars film they act like your crazy.

with star trek fans of nuStar Trek can't stand oldtime trek fans don't lnto darkness.Just like fans of reimaged battestar galactica can't stand it that any fans of original galactica don't like new one and prefer original.

This happens all the time.

 

[superweirdo87]

I really think it makes sense for Singer to go. He clearly has a comfort zone of Wolverine, Magneto, and Professor X, and the audience is perhaps not excited about that stuff after so much. Also, Fox has to watch their costs and a deal for Singer will hurt the bottom line for Fox.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I really think it makes sense for Singer to go. He clearly has a comfort zone of Wolverine, Magneto, and Professor X, and the audience is perhaps not excited about that stuff after so much. Also, Fox has to watch their costs and a deal for Singer will hurt the bottom line for Fox.

yet wolverine only has a 5 minute cameo in apocalypse.they had more of cyclops in apocalypse than OT and fair amount of jean.at same time those
consently wanting matthew vaughn back ignore fact First class focused on characters they bashed singer for focusing on-Xavier,magneto,and mystique.
Vaughn helped set us on the path people are now complaning about with mystique.

I don't think Singer will be back.and i don't think the films will be better for it.especilly since nothing to suggest simon Kinberg won't be back.remember
fox hired kinberg to write sequel to first class which became DOFP.and first class made less money than Apocalypse.

Whoever replace singer is likely going to have reduced budget.that is also why i don't think Jennifer Lawrence will be back.

 

[SuperT]

consently wanting matthew vaughn back ignore fact First class focused on characters they bashed singer for focusing on-Xavier,magneto,and mystique.
Vaughn helped set us on the path people are now complaning about with mystique.

There was nothing Vaughn did in First Class that suggested the next two films HAD to center around Xavier/Magneto/Mystique. In fact, the way that film ended they could have easily moved onto a different conflict amongst characters. No one complained about those characters getting focus in First Class because it was a fresh, new story and set of characters - after three movies now it's stale.

Singer chose to make those three the focus in the next two films, not Vaughn.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Tbh it was likely a joint venture ideas wise since Singer came up with the story for FC and he was the guy who basically told FOX Xavier and Magnetos story needed to be told while it was Vaughn who had first hand in the story for DOFP before singer took over, its just Apocalypse that was all on Singer.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Tbh it was likely a joint venture ideas wise since Singer came up with the story for FC and he was the guy who basically told FOX Xavier and Magnetos story needed to be told, but at the same time vaughn also had the first hand in the story for DOFP, its just Apocalypse that was all on singer.

people give vaughn way too much credit for DOFP.from kinberg's own words he basicly devolped story for DOFP with input from vaughn and goldman.

While i am no kinberg fan he was script doctor for FC and was solo writer for
DOFP.On apocalypse doughery and harris helped singer and kinberg on story
for apocalypse and kinberg wrote script.

 

[superweirdo87]

Lawrence clearly has no desire to come back.

 

[superweirdo87]

I don't think the situation is as bad for X-Men right now as it was for TAMS2. The thing is Sony needed Spider-Man to be a total monster. A lot of Hollywood analysts said Sony needed more franchises.

TASM2 was the lowest Spider-Man movie to date WW at the time. They needed Spider-Man to do gangbusters.

 

[superweirdo87]

There was nothing Vaughn did in First Class that suggested the next two films HAD to center around Xavier/Magneto/Mystique. In fact, the way that film ended they could have easily moved onto a different conflict amongst characters. No one complained about those characters getting focus in First Class because it was a fresh, new story and set of characters - after three movies now it's stale.

Singer chose to make those three the focus in the next two films, not Vaughn.

There was some freshness to it in DOFP, but in Apocalypse it would have made more sense to focus on Jean and Scott and Professor X becoming a teacher, rather than the same conflict handled in much of the same way again.

 

[GuestStar2004]

people give vaughn way too much credit for DOFP.

No vaughn has barely had any credit for DOFP

While i am no kinberg fan he was script doctor for FC and was solo writer forDOFP.On apocalypse doughery and harris helped singer and kinberg on story for apocalypse and kinberg wrote script.

You keep saying singer is needed to keep kinberg on track... but whats the excuse for alot of the criticism apocalypse got then? kinberg? so is singer not keeping kinberg on track now?

 

[2kt09]

Wasn't Vaughn quoted at one point that 90% of his DOFP made it into the final script?

 

[marvelrobbins]

No vaughn has barely had any credit for DOFP



You keep saying singer is needed to keep kinberg on track... but whats the excuse for alot of the criticism apocalypse got then? kinberg? so is singer not keeping kinberg on track now?

plenty of people around here give more credit to Vaughn than singer for DOFP.

FF is example of what happens when you let Kinberg run wild.there have been reports online that it was Kinberg who directed the reshoots for FF where at least one third of film was redone.

As one who likes apocalypse i am glad singer was around.who knows what will happen with next film.

 

[marvelrobbins]

There was some freshness to it in DOFP, but in Apocalypse it would have made more sense to focus on Jean and Scott and Professor X becoming a teacher, rather than the same conflict handled in much of the same way again.

Apocalypse was always going to focus on Xavier,magneto,and mystique.it's the conclusion of first class trilogy.the fact mystique's role wasn't as large as marketing suggested and what cyclops and jean got in apocalypse made me
happy.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Wasn't Vaughn quoted at one point that 90% of his DOFP made it into the final script?

Yep.he said that as part of Kingsman press tour.

 

[spider-neil]

Far as I'm concerned, FC is brilliant, DoFP is good and XA is rubbish. That says to me the more influence on the X-Verse Vaughan had the better it got.
FC - Vaughan Director/ Goldman Script = Most influence
DoFP - Vaughan - Goldman Script = Less influence
XA - Not involved = No influence

 

[Frankeh]

There was nothing Vaughn did in First Class that suggested the next two films HAD to center around Xavier/Magneto/Mystique. In fact, the way that film ended they could have easily moved onto a different conflict amongst characters. No one complained about those characters getting focus in First Class because it was a fresh, new story and set of characters - after three movies now it's stale.

Singer chose to make those three the focus in the next two films, not Vaughn.

You bring up a good point. As I've said before, Vaughn set up the X-Men and the Brotherhood, and Singer decided against that, killing off Azazel, Angel, Riptide, Banshee, Emma Frost, and only including Havok in one scene, instead of keeping him involved.

Now, that worked fine for DOFP. But then he realized he wanted an X-Men team to fight another threat (Apocalypse), so he had to set up an extra set of characters in this movie, discarding the FC team as just a "tactical team" and calling his team the REAL X-Men to hype the movie.

And that's the problem with Singer/Kinberg "take it one movie at a time" approach. Had he kept the Brotherhood and the X-Men from FC, maybe this movie wouldn't have been so cluttered setting up so many characters. Maybe we could've even had an experienced X-Men team uniting with the Brotherhood against Apocalypse.

Or maybe they should've made a Magneto/Charles origin movie first, and then a First Class movie with the actual First Class mentioned in X1 (Jean, Cyclops and Storm) instead of retconning stuff by doing both in a single movie.

Decisions, decisions.

 

[SuperT]

They definitely need to get Jane Goldman, Zack Stentz and Ashley Edward Miller back on the payroll ASAP. They did wonders breathing new life into the franchise with that First Class script and story.