Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[psylockolussus]

I think the original cast probably has a bigger fanbase and may be better liked among the general audience. I think the general audience likes the OT, but I don't know about love. The Cinema Score and legs don't clearly point in that direction. It is not clear may reflect Logan. And I don't know how invested casual fans and the general audience are in maintaining the original trilogy. XMOFP basically retconned X3, and it got an A Cinema Score, and legs similar to or slightly better than X2/X3. In fairness, those movies do better when considering ticket price, but theatrical attendance has also declined and moviegoers have more options. WOM was similar to or stronger than X2 and X3 in the original trilogy, even though the movie outright changed it.

The original cast is just Fox's most marketable cast in the series (excluding Ryan's Deadpool, though I think he stands on his own). It just sucks that Fox could have released a film and a spin-off vise-verse (similar to Avengers/solo film) and they chose not to. Then shoehorned Gambit/Emma in the first prequel. And look, what happened to the X-Men frachise (minus Deadpool) when they were gone (minus Hugh) in Apocalypse. Noticeable box-office drop.

 

[ImSGirl95]

I think that the Russo brothers clearly have been inspired by Singer's work for the X-Men movies

Yeah .. nope.
No way.
Just ... no way.

 

[jaymes_e06]

yes sure, I get that. And I think that the Russo brothers clearly have been inspired by Singer's work for the X-Men movies and shifted the tone of this movie in a similar, more realistic direction.

Again, Civil War is very much a recycled X-Men plot!

This!

 

[Kanon]

yes sure, I get that. And I think that the Russo brothers clearly have been inspired by Singer's work for the X-Men movies and shifted the tone of this movie in a similar, more realistic direction.

Again, Civil War is very much a recycled X-Men plot!

So, X-Men have a monopoly on feared Superheroes? BvS is also a X-Men plot?

 

[def28]

Yeah .. nope.
No way.
Just ... no way.

It's the X-Men boards so....

 

[StormC]

yes sure, I get that. And I think that the Russo brothers clearly have been inspired by Singer's work for the X-Men movies and shifted the tone of this movie in a similar, more realistic direction.

Again, Civil War is very much a recycled X-Men plot!

 

[First Avenger]

These boards are hilariously crazy as always I see.

 

[GuestStar2004]

When it comes to the Original cast how i see it is pretty much this... guardians of the galaxy and deadpool were the much bigger appeal then the whole of DOFP and they are technically new characters to the audience, one has a totally different tone altogether and the other isn't even set on earth, so any feeling that the OC are whats missing to give the box office a slight push really doesn't say much about this franchise at all.

And the whole wolverine thing is really weird because everyone makes a fuss over wolverine but where are most of these people with his solo movies? what is it not as much fun unless he is standing among the X-Men being the cooler character?, deadpool alone can bring in huge audience but with wolverine is apparently about time and place and with the OC its all or none... so if audiences really see this franchise in that muddled way then yeah this franchise is on stilts and no one is teaching it to walk again.

 

[GuestStar2004]

If the rumor is true, Wolverine 3 is Weapon X. So, Sinister and X23 are here baby.

I do wonder how much of a connection wolverine 3 will have to X-Men: Apocalypse

 

[Flint Marko]

yes sure, I get that. And I think that the Russo brothers clearly have been inspired by Singer's work for the X-Men movies and shifted the tone of this movie in a similar, more realistic direction.

Again, Civil War is very much a recycled X-Men plot!

This!

 

[JEM]

I do wonder how much of a connection wolverine 3 will have to X-Men: Apocalypse

Yeah, i don't know what to expect to W3. It is great

PS: I don't know how this board is different that others. You have crazy comment everywhere. The problem isn't what you like but the nerd comminuty on internet.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I do wonder how much of a connection wolverine 3 will have to X-Men: Apocalypse

Aklai lake and post credit scene were primly to set up Weapon X.as well as to allow singer to direct jackman one last time as wolverine and tease sinister for gambit and future X-men films.

I will be shocked if one of these unknown roles isn't Sinister.

 

[DACrowe]

Yeah .. nope.
No way.
Just ... no way.

In a very loose sense, I do suspect they wanted a story about a political debate in regard to registration, er excuse me, the "accords," which is a big part of the plot of the first X-Men movie. I suspect they saw how Singer always broke it down to a personal conflict between Charles and Erik.

With that said, I do not think they actually emulated his style or approach at all with Civil War. They were more obviously copying the Jason Bourne movies for some of the action scenes and were kind of riffing on doing their own version of the Seven ending with "what's on the tape?" instead of "what's on the box?" and Tony going the full Brad Pitt in that moment.

Anyway, this is all ironic since Singer made a much more Marvel Studios like X-Men movie the same year. Something I think that Fox should reconsider doing, especially if Singer is directing.

Still, I do think the small stakes and intimacy of Civil War does, ironically, resemble the third act of Singer movies like Days of Future Past, so intentional or not, it is closer to that.

 

[DavidHaller]

In a very loose sense, I do suspect they wanted a story about a political debate in regard to registration, er excuse me, the "accords," which is a big part of the plot of the first X-Men movie. I suspect they saw how Singer always broke it down to a personal conflict between Charles and Erik.

With that said, I do not think they actually emulated his style or approach at all with Civil War. They were more obviously copying the Jason Bourne movies for some of the action scenes and were kind of riffing on doing their own version of the Seven ending with "what's on the tape?" instead of "what's on the box?" and Tony going the full Brad Pitt in that moment.

Anyway, this is all ironic since Singer made a much more Marvel Studios like X-Men movie the same year. Something I think that Fox should reconsider doing, especially if Singer is directing.

Still, I do think the small stakes and intimacy of Civil War does, ironically, resemble the third act of Singer movies like Days of Future Past, so intentional or not, it is closer to that.

pssst, don't say it so loud. You make too much sense for many people posting in this forum. there is no relationship between any comic book movie. Nobody ever saw Singer's X-Men movies and Civil War clearly has NOTHING to do with 'mutant registration'...

 

[Alison Blaire]

When it comes to the Original cast how i see it is pretty much this... guardians of the galaxy and deadpool were the much bigger appeal then the whole of DOFP and they are technically new characters to the audience, one has a totally different tone altogether and the other isn't even set on earth, so any feeling that the OC are whats missing to give the box office a slight push really doesn't say much about this franchise at all.

And the whole wolverine thing is really weird because everyone makes a fuss over wolverine but where are most of these people with his solo movies? what is it not as much fun unless he is standing among the X-Men being the cooler character?, deadpool alone can bring in huge audience but with wolverine is apparently about time and place and with the OC its all or none... so if audiences really see this franchise in that muddled way then yeah this franchise is on stilts and no one is teaching it to walk again.

Because GOG and Deadpool are new characters,but in X-men are new teen versions.
The people are tired,versions,prequels,reboots..,the people wants new things or original versions.This is the answer.

 

[Flint Marko]

pssst, don't say it so loud. You make too much sense for many people posting in this forum. there is no relationship between any comic book movie. Nobody ever saw Singer's X-Men movies and Civil War clearly has NOTHING to do with 'mutant registration'...

There's a world of difference between a handful of thematic parallels and, in your own words, "recycling a plot". That's a shining example of fanboy nonsense.

 

[DavidHaller]

There's a world of difference between a handful of thematic parallels and, in your own words, "recycling a plot". That's a shining example of fanboy nonsense.

ok, so no need to respond to my posts then. Go and have a beer with your bros and celebrate the creative, political milestone that was "Civil War".

 

[Tymminator]

Omg can we not compare and contrast Apocalypse with CW their sort of different monsters, it's ok to like one more than the other no need to downplay one.

I think you have a point and overall, I agree with you! That said if someone says something like what is said below, there is a chance there may be a response.

yes sure, I get that. And I think that the Russo brothers clearly have been inspired by Singer's work for the X-Men movies and shifted the tone of this movie in a similar, more realistic direction.

Again, Civil War is very much a recycled X-Men plot!

Nope. Maybe your definition of recycled is different from mine because except for the word "registration" there's no similarities whatsoever.

Go through every Singer X-Men movie…

Where in any X-Men movie did the team of X-Men divide in half over the issue of registration where one half was pro-registration and other half was anti-registration?

Where in any X-Men movie did you hear these two X-men teams debate on the merits of registration? Making valid points for and against?

Where in any X-Men movie did they actually end up having a physical conflict over it? We are talking X-Men vs X-Men here, no bad guys.

When after said X-Men movie did all the viewers came out of it and they even debated amongst each other into basically three groups, a pro-registration group, an anti-registration group, and those who could see both sides?

Because after Civil War? That among the people I know, friends and coworkers not to mention many posters on multiple message boards over the web were discussing those issues, were some are very pro-Tony, some are very pro-Steve and others like myself that can see where they are both right and both wrong. It caused discussion after the movie about the subject.


That's not recycled from any X-Men movie homey, (even the X-men comic series didn't take that angle) and Singer didn't ever come close to making anything like that.

 

[ApophènX]

ok, so no need to respond to my posts then. Go and have a beer with your bros and celebrate the creative, political milestone that was "Civil War".

Actually CW was interesting, basically cap is trying to save someone who didn't had a choice. Where Tony want to make a choice for not having choice to make later. They embodyed the political theme like security and linked it to more human depth, Tony's family history. It is what made him lock SW away, it is also what made Spider-man interesting. It was actually well brought: in the end Tony loose control.

So if you try to control things and repress emotions to much you loose control. THis is actualy pretty similar tho the theme of XMA, just sayin'

Also notice having global political views taken to more familial issues is a feedback of X2, Stryker and his son.

 

[First Avenger]

ok, so no need to respond to my posts then. Go and have a beer with your bros and celebrate the creative, political milestone that was "Civil War".

What the hell dude...

 

[superweirdo87]

The original cast is just Fox's most marketable cast in the series (excluding Ryan's Deadpool, though I think he stands on his own). It just sucks that Fox could have released a film and a spin-off vise-verse (similar to Avengers/solo film) and they chose not to. Then shoehorned Gambit/Emma in the first prequel. And look, what happened to the X-Men frachise (minus Deadpool) when they were gone (minus Hugh) in Apocalypse. Noticeable box-office drop.

I don't entirely agree. I think the original team would have done better here and in some markets, but I don't think the box office drop is all due to the First Class crew. Sequels are falling in general. Stark Trek did 257, then STID did similarly to DOFP, 228. Box Office Pro sees Star Trek Beyond making 159M. We'll have to see how Star Trek Beyond does, but the fall seems to suggest broad forces at play. Sequels have fallen across the board.

"Before we blame franchise fatigue as the catalyst for paltry Memorial Day openings, we need to also acknowledge the overall downward trend in openings for sequels this year. It’s been rampant across all genres including Ride Along 2, The Divergent Series: Allegiant." --Deadline
That stuff seems to imply that while the OT may have done better, other things are happening too, and a sequel with them would have faced those difficulties as well.

If Fox made a sequel with the OT with little Wolverine that had mixed/weak review, so-so WOM, and a drop off like other franchises, they might have concluded that the OT is not the way to go. I would also imagine that the press might have been down on the choice to use the OT if they did X5 instead of XMA and it had mixed reviews. With Alice, TMNT, etc, X-Men might not have gotten much scrutiny.

But, using the OT to mixed reception after DOFP may have also affect how people see the franchise's future. That is bad now. Lots of calls for change, and change needs to happen. But notices have been positive for the young X-Men characters. If it had been weakly reviewed with subpar WOM, people might be even more down on the franchise and future installments. Given the last movie with the OT alone was X3, headlining another poorly received team movie may have tainted them.

 

[Tymminator]

Back to Box Office....any early words?

 

[Sithborg]

Looks like China had a decent hold on Tue, adding another $6 mil. The real test is how bad Warcraft hurts it.

 

[ImSGirl95]

and Civil War clearly has NOTHING to do with 'mutant registration'...

Because it doesn't.
Not the movie and neither the main Civil War comics. And neither does Civil War II

 

[Iceman]

When it comes to the Original cast how i see it is pretty much this... guardians of the galaxy and deadpool were the much bigger appeal then the whole of DOFP and they are technically new characters to the audience, one has a totally different tone altogether and the other isn't even set on earth, so any feeling that the OC are whats missing to give the box office a slight push really doesn't say much about this franchise at all.

And the whole wolverine thing is really weird because everyone makes a fuss over wolverine but where are most of these people with his solo movies? what is it not as much fun unless he is standing among the X-Men being the cooler character?, deadpool alone can bring in huge audience but with wolverine is apparently about time and place and with the OC its all or none... so if audiences really see this franchise in that muddled way then yeah this franchise is on stilts and no one is teaching it to walk again.

I think the franchise has done a lot right but it is weighed down by its own history (not just timelines although that too) and coming out at a very conservative period (so low budgets and not enough wow factor for GA) and then having the rug pulled from under it by X3. Had X3 just been a bigger better sequel not doing anything controversial it would have left the way open for a huge X4. Up to X3 the series was seeing gains every time out and could have eventually got to a solid $300m domestic every time IMO if they'd stayed on track and committed to realising all the main characters as well as the ones who were already nailed. Also they should have had team action scenes where co-operative combo moves would have meant much more impressive ending set pieces.