Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - Part 1

[Malik]

That is major bs, they don't get 100 percent of asm movies either yet they market them as they do.

 

[ciscostudent561]

While Marvel and Disney have a bad relationship, the relationship between Fox and Disney isn't all that bad, at least not when it comes to TV and Touchstone Pictures. Both studios distributed Stephen Spielberg's last film Lincoln with Disney (through Touchstone/Dreamworks) distributed in the United States while Fox distributed internationally.

Yup and I'm pretty sure Disney distributed Narnia 1 and 2 while Fox finished the series with the 3rd ...

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Whenever a new character is introduced, I always look it up online. As a non-CB fan I am annoyed by the studio wars. I honestly don't care and I don't think non-CB fans who like the movies care either about the studio wars. This way I come into every CBM with an open mind. I don't get enraged at the race change of characters or that their backgrounds deviate majorly from the comics.

High five fellow non-comic book friend

Good to see I'm not the only one scrambling online whenever something new is mentioned

 

[IronSoldier]

High five fellow non-comic book friend

Good to see I'm not the only one scrambling online whenever something new is mentioned

Aye. I second that. I'm not a comic book fan. Infact I don't like lots of the comic book stories and hate it when people say blah blah blah not like to comic books.

 

[danoyse]

That Is fine but some would think that by your signutre you prefer Marve studios films.

And everyone thinks that your comments are accusatory and ridiculous. Keep them to yourself next time.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Edit.

 

[HIA]

Oh yeah, cos DOFP absolutely bombed... Give me a break

when did I say Dofp bombed? it didnt. But its clear the cast of the movies isnt a big deal for USA, since movies with smaller and less famous casts have done better than XMen 3 and Dofp.

Maleficent only had Jolie, yet it outgrossed XMen in USA.
Guardians is a new property with less big actors and a non star leading one and is making more than XMen
Cap 2 only had Chris and Scarlett as the hot faces, and it made more than XMen

and lets not talk about movies from latest years, its the same story, year after year.

The cast thing is great to promote a movie, to get interest from a ceartain audience, but general audience doesnt care if your movie has 10 popular actors or just one, they go to the theatre because they want to enjoy a movie, and thats it.

There are plenty of examples of this in movie history, and its the same story as those movies having just that one huge worldwide star leading your movie that end with poor numbers, u know, having someone as Tom Cruise, Johnny Deep, Will Smith or any other ww star is not a guarantee that the movie will be a ww hit. Thats not longer the case.

And it doesnt matter if you have 5 movie stars instead of 1, it just wont make it a ww hit per se.

 

[MarvelU]

One thing for certain is that people are into superhero teams. That is what Apocalypse should try to focus on hopefully. DOFP had a team in the future for about 20 minutes, and there was no team in the past where most of the story took place.

 

[danoyse]

He got me so upset that I had to make a change to my sig so he wouldn't get angry about it.

All I did was tell a poster not to start the Comic book studio wars in this forum and he gets all upset about my sig. I kept explaining my position as a non Comic-book guy, but he refused to listen.

You didn't have to change your sig. If anyone gives anyone else a hard time over the 'studio bias' nonsense, just report it. We'll take care of it.

 

[HIA]

One thing for certain is that people are into superhero teams.

true. Thats why Avengers was a huge hit, why XMen movies are more appealing than a Wolverine one, why Guardians is having a great journey in USA, and why Justice League will be a monster. Superhero teams are much hotter than a solo character, and if studios play their cards right, all will win.

Fox should sell and develop the team aspect more, tho. this is just an extra thing, but the dvd cover of Dofp doesnt scream superhero team at all. just a bunch of characters here and there, with these older versions on there, the younger, a new kid, mystique and so. That doesnt sell "XMen team", so Fox better change that in all future sequels.

 

[squeekness]

true. Thats why Avengers was a huge hit, why XMen movies are more appealing than a Wolverine one, why Guardians is having a great journey in USA, and why Justice League will be a monster. Superhero teams are much hotter than a solo character, and if studios play their cards right, all will win.

Fox should sell and develop the team aspect more, tho. this is just an extra thing, but the dvd cover of Dofp doesnt scream superhero team at all. just a bunch of characters here and there, with these older versions on there, the younger, a new kid, mystique and so. That doesnt sell "XMen team", so Fox better change that in all future sequels.

I agree with you that team movies are more fun. I know for me I enjoyed Spidy more on his short stint with Avengers in the comics, I think I would enjoy Spidy as a guest in an Avengers movie as opposed to another one on his own. A JL movie might make Superman finally interesting to me for the same reason. Some characters just need a group to bounce smart lines off of.

 

[MarvelU]

true. Thats why Avengers was a huge hit, why XMen movies are more appealing than a Wolverine one, why Guardians is having a great journey in USA, and why Justice League will be a monster. Superhero teams are much hotter than a solo character, and if studios play their cards right, all will win.

Fox should sell and develop the team aspect more, tho. this is just an extra thing, but the dvd cover of Dofp doesnt scream superhero team at all. just a bunch of characters here and there, with these older versions on there, the younger, a new kid, mystique and so. That doesnt sell "XMen team", so Fox better change that in all future sequels.

A team of Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, Nightcrawler, Beast and possibly others should definitely be the selling point for the next one along with Wolverine and Apocalypse. I know Simon Kinberg said Apocalypse will be about Xavier and Magneto but I hope that means that the actual X-Men team itself will come about because of them and be as important to the story. DOFP relied heavy on Mystique, Wolverine, and the original cast returning which was good for DOFP because of the returning cast members and Jennifer Lawrences rise to fame. But yeah I agree that if they want to attract more of the general audience they have to sell the X-Men team fighting and banding together. Marvel Studios marketed the hell out of the Guardians banding together and will do even more to market the Avengers who will be a team of 9 people.

 

[X-Maniac]

when did I say Dofp bombed? it didnt. But its clear the cast of the movies isnt a big deal for USA, since movies with smaller and less famous casts have done better than XMen 3 and Dofp.

Maleficent only had Jolie, yet it outgrossed XMen in USA.
Guardians is a new property with less big actors and a non star leading one and is making more than XMen
Cap 2 only had Chris and Scarlett as the hot faces, and it made more than XMen

and lets not talk about movies from latest years, its the same story, year after year.

The cast thing is great to promote a movie, to get interest from a ceartain audience, but general audience doesnt care if your movie has 10 popular actors or just one, they go to the theatre because they want to enjoy a movie, and thats it.

There are plenty of examples of this in movie history, and its the same story as those movies having just that one huge worldwide star leading your movie that end with poor numbers, u know, having someone as Tom Cruise, Johnny Deep, Will Smith or any other ww star is not a guarantee that the movie will be a ww hit. Thats not longer the case.

And it doesnt matter if you have 5 movie stars instead of 1, it just wont make it a ww hit per se.

I agree with this, more or less.

It's interesting though to see the performance of X-Men: First Class, which had lesser-known characters (but still Xavier, Magneto and Mystique who were in the OT movies) and lesser-known actors.

However, GoTG had completely unknown characters (to the mainstream) and lesser-known actors - and still is doing amazingly well.

It shows Marvel Studios has now become a reliable brand, where people know they can expect a good time and a well-made movie when they go to the cinema. X-Men also needs to get to that position. At the moment, the X-films have been relying on the very expensive cast (which must mean holding back on other areas of the movie).

 

[Alison Blaire]

Dofp is the highest grossing X-Men movie That's thanks to the return of the original cast. Fans should celebrate.

 

[magneto23]

Dofp is the highest grossing X-Men movie That's thanks to the return of the original cast. Fans should celebrate.

And that's also thanks to the First Class cast and their characters who were on screen for most the movie. Plus the product everyone combined to make turned out to be the best reviewed/highest rated X-Men film to date.

 

[psylockolussus]

when did I say Dofp bombed? it didnt. But its clear the cast of the movies isnt a big deal for USA, since movies with smaller and less famous casts have done better than XMen 3 and Dofp.

Maleficent only had Jolie, yet it outgrossed XMen in USA.
Guardians is a new property with less big actors and a non star leading one and is making more than XMen
Cap 2 only had Chris and Scarlett as the hot faces, and it made more than XMen

and lets not talk about movies from latest years, its the same story, year after year.

The cast thing is great to promote a movie, to get interest from a ceartain audience, but general audience doesnt care if your movie has 10 popular actors or just one, they go to the theatre because they want to enjoy a movie, and thats it.

There are plenty of examples of this in movie history, and its the same story as those movies having just that one huge worldwide star leading your movie that end with poor numbers, u know, having someone as Tom Cruise, Johnny Deep, Will Smith or any other ww star is not a guarantee that the movie will be a ww hit. Thats not longer the case.

And it doesnt matter if you have 5 movie stars instead of 1, it just wont make it a ww hit per se.

Sometimes, star power is a big factor. I mean, would DOFP still perform that big in China if it didn't have Fan Bingbing? would DOFP perform really that well in France if it didn't have Omar Sy. In Russia, DOFP's opening weekend gross and total gross is lower than The Wolverine's OW and total gross, The Wolverine featured Svetlana Khodkova and she's a big actress in Russia. In my opinion, part of Maleficent's success is they really centered the marketing on Angelina Jolie and Angelina is an A-list superstar. DOFP didn't really do that with their big actors. We know there's a lot of big actors in the cast but FOX didn't really shove them in our throats. If WB or Disney marketed this film, we would see the names of Hugh, Halle, Patrick, Ian, Jennifer, Michael, James, Ellen, Peter at the top of the posters. They would probably flash their names one by one in the trailers. What I noticed with these X-Men films (well except for the Wolverine movies), they don't really play the "we have big actors in this movie" card. Yes, they like to show them a lot in trailers and TV spots but they don't flash their names all the time.

Though I still think the original cast returning and Hugh Jackman being reunited with the original cast played a huge factor, not because they are Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen and Halle Berry but they because they already played their characters for three to five times and DOFP was their comeback X-Men movie. There's a nostalgia factor and familarity with them. Doesn't matter if most of them didn't have a hit movie for years.

Worldwide, this is the highest grossing X-Men film to date and in North America, well it really performed a lot better than the last three X-Men films. So *star power* still helped.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Dofp is the highest grossing X-Men movie That's thanks to the return of the original cast. Fans should celebrate.

Didn't hurt that he movie was high quality

 

[marvelrobbins]

For promation of Apocalypse It depends what Bryan Singer and his writing team come up with.

There will be more of a X-Men team In Apocalypse than In FC or 1973 parts of DOFP with confirmation of teenage Cyclops,Jean,and storm being introduced.
Still from what Simon Kinberg has said this will still be a Xavier,Magneto,Mystique heavy story.Also wolverine may spent most of film or majority of it as horseman.

Part of DOFP's success was return of original casr including using wolverine In team context again.History has proven wolverine draws more in as part of team than solo.That Is true in comics as well as films.The return of original Cast In Star Wars Episode VII Is creating a lot of excitement for that.

Now it's unclear what effect on box office loss of Original cast excluding Hugh Jackman will have on Apocalypse's box office especilly since Apocalypse opens VS alice In Wonderland sequel.It remains to be seen if new versions of Cyclops,Jean,and storm will have the same impact as return of original cast.Since Box office experts I listened to never saw Maleficent,GOTG,and TMNT numbers coming as they did.Once concern Is set pics hint Batman V Superman could be another destrucon heavy Comic Book film and could GA get a little burned out on that especilly since we know there will be heavy destrucon In Apocalypse.Of course I have more faith In Singer than Zach Snyder to make a good story and characters with the destrucon.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Along with the FC cast and wolverine I'd say Apocalypse and any new characters will be big in promotion

When you have the name of the villain in the title you know they will promote the hell out of him

On terms of how will the film do... It will do fine, FC and DOFP have certainly earned enough trust

 

[xrs13]

This is more towards Marvelrobbins

Some people love to worry. FOX have been in this business at lot longer than you or I, so I think if they think they need to move a date they will do but it really isn't a concern considering we are over a year away from then. Don't forget that DOFP was scheduled for a later release than we got so it wouldn't surprise me if we see DOFP at any point in the year.

I read a really good article on a website which is escaping me now and also watched the Superhero show on IGN which I think Krupa pointed out the whole cbm blockbuster calender is changing. The typical summer blockbuster thing is changing with huge films coming out in March and April all the way to September.

I really wouldnt be surprised if Apoc came out just before or just after Christmas (and that is purely because I dont see how anyone right now can assume when the film will come out based on a placeholder release date that is issued two years in advance)

Look at cap and BVS, both had the same date and only now has BVS moved.
I get looking at cast and story and type of film as an indicator of Box Office, but release date really isnt an issue for the Box office talk at this moment in time, for me anyway.

I think Apoc will probably include some really cool things and the thing that I think it has going for it most is the fact Singer is realllllly good at the stand out set pieces which converted a lot of haters with DOFP (Magneto X1 opening (which wasn't something I think anyone back then expected to be in a superhero film and to me doesn't get the recognition it deserves), Nightcrawler X2 opening, and DOFP Quicksilver scene). Also I think he is better than a lot of setting up a villain and making that villain have some depth. Again. Magneto X1 had that one scene at the start which I think set him up to have some people agreeing with his stance, Stryker had the dark story with Jason and his own wife. Trask was more of a scientist fascinated by mutants even though he saw them as a problem.

I mean for me Singers best move he ever did was the Phoenix in the water at the end of X2 with Jeans V.O. Not only did that set up a villain in a film she wasnt the villain in but to fans who these films really are for, it signed their ticket for X3 which is why it did so well.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Not concerned about this going up against Alice and Wonderland 2. More concerned about how this does against Ninja Turtles 2, which comes out a week later.

 

[marvelrobbins]

GOTG did just well and turtles did well week later.

Turtles appeals to kids and X-Men's audences go from 8 to 48+

Fox may show more guts than WB did.If Fox moves films around I think It would be more likely to move X-Men to late july and apes 3 to november/december.

 

[Paradox1]

I don't know if people know this but Fox was the number one studio. They made over 2billion this year. Why would they run from anybody when they are on such a high.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I don't know if people know this but Fox was the number one studio. They made over 2billion this year. Why would they run from anybody when they are on such a high.

They may not be next year, especially if Star Wars Episode 7 is more in line with the original trilogy instead of the prequels, and with actors from the original trilogy returning, that seems likely.

For me, Star Wars 7 is more highly anticipated than Avengers 2.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Yeah I doubt they'll have as good a year in 2015 at the box office. Hopefully they have as good a year in reviews