Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - Part 1

[Duran Man]

Okay I forgot where this was mentioned but someone suggested since a young Scott/Cyclops is being introduced they can finally touch on his relationship w/Havoc, but I have this hunch that they'll (Singer/writers) will make Alex Scott's father instead and probably give Alex and off screen death thus leading to why Scott is an orphan or under Xavier's tutelage.

I actually like this idea.

 

[Iceman]

Maybe one day. We'n need Jean back for a good while before that and I don't want the general audience thinking (like comic readers) that every time we get Jean it will inevitably end in a Phoenix storyline/death.

Yes anything to do with genetics and cloning can be done right now while it will likely be a fair while before they even consider doing anything alien. I hope to see it one day though. Realistic (relatively speaking) X-Men has for the most part been done very well in films but it doesn't quite have the fantasy of the comics and if the X-Men film ranchise were started to day I think things would be different.

 

[Mr.M]

so what did we learn here

Apocalypse Is indeed more the completion of trilogy and will truly have main focus on Xavier,Magneto,Mystique,and to lesser extent Beast

Cable,Psylocke,and Scarlet Witch are possibilty for future films although that doesn't mean they will be In Apocalypse

Wolverine may get his adamanturm In between DOFP and Apocalypse

Magneto Is indeed Quicksilver's father and it's hinted he could be with Magneto whereever he is at In Apocalypse

They could go into Mystique being nightcrawler's mother In future.

They are keeping another film with original cast as a possibilty.So much for headlinge the franchise is done with James Marsden,Famke Janssen,and Halle Berry.But,that's not Kinberg's fault for that headline.

With all the characters Kinberg has brought up as possibilty It's good thing Bryan Singer is around to keep them from adding too many characters like the Last Stand.

Tells me they are planning to conclude this FC arc and are not "all in" on the FC cast going forward. Whether that means the OT returns, way too presumptuous at this point. We have to look at Wolverine 3 being its own thing like The Wolverine. I doubt they retread Weapons X and the adamantium. Deadpool could also potentially go off on a tangent. THese spinoffs have little to no bearing on the X-Men story. A Gambit movie could lead into something down the road however, given his ties to iconic mutants in the X-Men lore. But right now, everything after Apocalypse is completely up in the air.

 

[Smilodon]

I think we should keep Sinister's origins the same. It could be a Stryker/Weapon X situation but explored better. We have Apocalypse who is this mutant god and Sinister, who coveted that God-like power. Give him connections to Shaw and Trask (who was fascinated by mutants in a similar way) and I think we could have a very awesome villain adaptation of Nathaniel Essex.

He needs to be Scott's enemy though if we focus on him throughout the next trilogy. Like Wolverine and Weapon X/Stryker, it'll be the crux of which they can create a new trilogy of movies from.

I'm alright with cloning, but hope it's handled well. I don't want to see Scott simply fawning over Jean and her clones throughout several movies. The Shiar...well aliens are just space mutants (as are humans) so it's definitely not out of the question I feel like if they can justify it or ground it that way.

 

[def28]

Maybe one day. We'n need Jean back for a good while before that and I don't want the general audience thinking (like comic readers) that every time we get Jean it will inevitably end in a Phoenix storyline/death.

I agree. That's kind of how it goes sooner or later though haha.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

I'm all about the Phoenix, baby. If she had been done well in TLS, I would be satisfied, but I'm not... so bring it on! I'm thinking she'll be a large part in bringing Apocalypse down.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Great counter-argument with Magneto's machine - I somehow forgot about that.

Sinister is human turned Into something else by APocalypse.

Sinister is possablity for Apocalypse as one of horseman.

Just like In FC they never really went into how Shaw went from German scientist who looks older to looking younger and being wealthy with casino and ties to russians.It may be same with Sinister.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Sinister is human turned Into something else by APocalypse.

Sinister is possablity for Apocalypse as one of horseman.

Just like In FC they never really went into how Shaw went from German scientist who looks older to looking younger and being wealthy with casino and ties to russians.It may be same with Sinister.

They outright explained that his mutation allowed him to stay young. As for everything else, he was obviously just a very powerful man with very powerful influences.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I'm all about the Phoenix, baby. If she had been done well in TLS, I would be satisfied, but I'm not... so bring it on! I'm thinking she'll be a large part in bringing Apocalypse down.

Here is think If they stick to what Kinberg said they won't be redoing dark Phoenix.

There remains question how large Cyclops,Jean,and storm roles will be In
Apocalypse.You have the FC big 4,Wolverine,and Apocalyps to spend time
on.Plus the three of them will be competing with Quicksilver for screen time.
Not to mention posibly Nightcrawler and Gambit played Channing tatum.Whatever characters make up horseman.And not to mention possable
role for Deadpool.

 

[marvelrobbins]

They outright explained that his mutation allowed him to stay young. As for everything else, he was obviously just a very powerful man with very powerful influences.

You could put holes in plot by saying why wasn't his powers working before since the films have mutant powers largely manifesting at puberty.

They might not go much Into Sinister's origin if he makes the cut In Apocalypse or another X film.

Hell we don't know if we will see Xavier find Cyclops,Jean,and storm In Apocalypse or he will already be training them when film opens.That way they would have some practice before Apocalypse strikes.

 

[Iceman]

I agree. That's kind of how it goes sooner or later though haha.

Haha, it's an endless cycle in the comics.

I'm all about the Phoenix, baby. If she had been done well in TLS, I would be satisfied, but I'm not... so bring it on! I'm thinking she'll be a large part in bringing Apocalypse down.

I wish it had been done right 1st time. If Phoneix happens here and Jean dies again are they going to bring her back again? I wanted her to be able to be part of the foundations of a long term team without a death sentence hanging over her. If the story had been handled definitively in X3 I think this might have been possible.

 

[Mr.M]

Maybe rework the Phoenix around a different character, like Rachel Summers. You don't want to do things that make no sense tonally and continuity wise, and you don't want to rehash old stories. They need to do Phoenix again, but they need as stark a contrast as possible from what we got if they go there eventually.

 

[Iceman]

Maybe rework the Phoenix around a different character, like Rachel Summers. You don't want to do things that make no sense tonally and continuity wise, and you don't want to rehash old stories. They need to do Phoenix again, but they need as stark a contrast as possible from what we got if they go there eventually.

Good idea!

Definitely agreed.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Haha, it's an endless cycle in the comics.

I wish it had been done right 1st time. If Phoneix happens here and Jean dies again are they going to bring her back again? I wanted her to be able to be part of the foundations of a long term team without a death sentence hanging over her. If the story had been handled definitively in X3 I think this might have been possible.

No, no, no. I mean doing something along the lines of Jean realizing the extent of her power but also learning to control it. Xavier's now aware of the mistakes he made in the future and will likely go about Jean differently. So, less Phoenix, but more Jean with the power of the Phoenix. No death (or "Dark") required. At least not anytime soon.

 

[Iceman]

No, no, no. I mean doing something along the lines of Jean realizing the extent of her power but also learning to control it. Xavier's now aware of the mistakes he made in the future and will likely go about Jean differently. So, less Phoenix, but more Jean with the power of the Phoenix. No death (or "Dark") required. At least not anytime soon.

Ah yes! Glorious

 

[dax]

The moviemakers should stick with the comics by having Mr. Sinister be created by Apocalypse. This and Sinister himself should be featured in this movie if he is ever to appear in future X-men movies.

 

[Loki882]

Magneto built a machine that could turn humans into mutants in X1. Why can't we see another human gain powers through experimentation? We've already seen the humans that hate mutants and experiment on them to find ways to destroy them.

Why can't Sinister be a human that is obsessed with the X Gene and covets mutant powers? Besides, characters like Sinister and Apocalypse have several abilities and don't really fit the mold the films have already established for mutation.

And his machine didn't work properly. In fact, they flat out said that the humans DIED because the mutation was "unnatural."

 

[Rike]

Okay I forgot where this was mentioned but someone suggested since a young Scott/Cyclops is being introduced they can finally touch on his relationship w/Havoc, but I have this hunch that they'll (Singer/writers) will make Alex Scott's father instead and probably give Alex and off screen death thus leading to why Scott is an orphan or under Xavier's tutelage.

Except for the off-screen death, I like the sound of that.

 

[roach]

No, no, no. I mean doing something along the lines of Jean realizing the extent of her power but also learning to control it. Xavier's now aware of the mistakes he made in the future and will likely go about Jean differently. So, less Phoenix, but more Jean with the power of the Phoenix. No death (or "Dark") required. At least not anytime soon.

Do they remember what happened before?

 

[The Original Bamfer]

I love adaptation, reboots and reimaginings, but I draw a line at unwarranted deaths and vital changes to the core of a character. Making Havok Cyclop's father is a huge no-no. Unless they want to go out of their way and say that Alex's real name is Christopher and change Corsair into a mutant, no. Please, God, no.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Do they remember what happened before?

Jean won't, but I think young Xavier will be aware of it. When he entered Logan's mind in DoFP, he got glimpses at what happened in the future (including Logan killing Jean) and also spoke to the future version of himself. It would make sense that he also got a condensed history of the future, too, detailing the mistakes he'd make if he didn't change. So I think that aspect will definitely be present in XA.

 

[titansupes]

I agree with about everything Original Bamfer's saying today.

 

[Paradox1]

I would not mind if Havok ended up being Scott's father instead of his brother. It would make Scott a legacy member of the X-Men. That could work, it would give him all kinds of motivations to be better than his father. Especially if died or disappeared and the only thing he knows is he was an X-Men.

 

[Iceman]

It might work but I really don't like changes like this. I'd just prefer Havok were not in the series to begin with.

 

[Loki882]

The time travel (like in a lot of movies) is weird. You'd THINK that young Xavier, Beast, Magneto, etc would remember Wolverine. However, old Xavier didn't seem to remember what happened until Wolverine specifically brought it up. So maybe it's a case of the younger versions remember who Logan IS, and that they went on SOME kind of mission with him, but maybe not remembering exactly what the mission was.