Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - Part 2

[Paradox1]

If you could say, map out the X-Men franchise, what would you do?

Here would be my layout -

2016 - X-Men: Apocalypse, Deadpool

2017 - X-Factor, The Wolverine 2

2018 - X-Men: Mutant Massacre, X-Force

2019 - X-Men: Inferno, Untitled Magneto Movie

2020 - X-Men: House of M Part 1

2021 - X-Men: House of M Part 2

I won't go into a slate of films and possible storylines however there are characters in the X-men Universe I'd love to see their characters expanded upon. I'd love to see Omega Red take on Colossus possibly in a film. I'd love to see a Rogue film where she goes off and have an adventure of her own. Possibly in some way coming out of it more in tune with her comic counterpart.

 

[psylockolussus]

I love the original cast, but I am ready to move on to a younger version of Cyclops, Jean, and Storm. The thing is, I feel like with a new younger cast, it actually makes the creative forces shift the focus to them because they are the new generation.

I just think with the original cast, the focus would again tend to skew toward Hugh Jackman. They've broken that mold so far with this new trilogy, I just fear they would return to it.

Another film with the original cast centering around Hugh Jackman would only happen if the creative team are trying to limit themselves with always giving Wolverine on the spotlight. But its possible to have a film with Hugh/James/Famke/Halle sharing the same amount of screentime and its all about the X-Men. Its all in the writing.

And with moving on to a younger version, you would lose "years' of familiarity and again it would look like they are taking the "prequel route" again. Also the casual viewers would have to get familiarize themselves again with the actors who will now portray Jean/Cyclops/Storm and that could take years and multiple films and I feel like with so many comic-book films coming out there, this franchise don't need that.

 

[Hamill-Joker]

And with moving on to a younger version, you would lose "years' of familiarity and again it would look like they are taking the "prequel route" again. Also the casual viewers would have to get familiarize themselves again with the actors who will now portray Jean/Cyclops/Storm and that could take years and multiple films and I feel like with so many comic-book films coming out there, this franchise don't need that.

I see more longevity building on the First Class base. You'll also still have Jackman there, but remain in a supporting position and I think he is all they need to retain the familiarity with the audience.

 

[psylockolussus]

The thing is they are stuck in the past period. Do you really think they should just release prequels after a prequel, when we already know who is gonna make it to the present period or 2023? 1 Prequel to showcase the origin of Jean/Cyclops/Storm is okay. But beyond that, not a good idea imo.

 

[scatterax]

The thing is they are stuck in the past period. Do you really think they should just release prequels after a prequel, when we already know who is gonna make it to the present period or 2023? 1 Prequel to showcase the origin of Jean/Cyclops/Storm is okay. But beyond that, not a good idea imo.

Tension in xmen Doesn't come from who lives or dies. It's not the walking dead. You assume all the heroes live regardless of the threat. It's the people around them you worry about. The xmen are trying to prevent humans and mutants from killing eachother but rarely are they the target themselves. Think senator kelly in the first xmen, leach in the x3, and trask in days of future past.

 

[magneto23]

And with moving on to a younger version, you would lose "years' of familiarity and again it would look like they are taking the "prequel route" again.

Yes, because we're so familiar with every character not named Wolverine, Charles, or Erik.

Also the casual viewers would have to get familiarize themselves again with the actors who will now portray Jean/Cyclops/Storm and that could take years and multiple films and I feel like with so many comic-book films coming out there, this franchise don't need that.

Most everything coming out, as far as comic-book films/actors, is gonna be new. Why should X-Men be different. It takes one film for an audience to get attached/"familiarize themselves" to new actors. Its not that big of a deal.

 

[PelvicSorcery]

I'm really hoping Apocalypse rejuvenates this franchise because after all these years it really feels tired, dated, unimaginative, and repetitive. I was really looking forward to DOFP but I was so bored watching it. Same old same old.

Apocalypse has potential to be a unique and dynamic antagonist depending on how they portray him. Please leave Magneto on the sidelines.

 

[psylockolussus]

Tension in xmen Doesn't come from who lives or dies. It's not the walking dead. You assume all the heroes live regardless of the threat. It's the people around them you worry about. The xmen are trying to prevent humans and mutants from killing eachother but rarely are they the target themselves. Think senator kelly in the first xmen, leach in the x3, and trask in days of future past.

Its not really about the tension on who's gonna live or not but if you're telling me what we saw at the altered future of DOFP is really the "finish line" of the series or the characters, then doesn't it make the future films less exciting? In my opinion, yes. Its one thing to showcase one more film set in the past, but 2-3 or more films set in the past while the stories for the future is already done... eh I feel like story-wise, they going backwards instead of moving forward.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I think I get what you mean Psylocke

But it's not really any different to other franchises

We knew Iron Man would survive Avengers since he had a movie the following year

Same with him and Cap surviving Avengers 2 to be in Cap 3

All we know of the future is they're alive and in the future, the could be living in genosha with already having met Sinister, Shi'Ar ect... There's lots of possibilities for their circumstances

What's more is that the OT can be completely different now so there is no sticking to that

If you could say, map out the X-Men franchise, what would you do?

Deadpool with Killbrew and Ajax as the villains

X-Force with a future Cable who meets the young Scott Summers from Alocalypse (not telling him who his Mother is just yet) at the end. Purifiers as the villains

Wolverine 3 with Omega Red as the villain

Deadpool 2 with T-Ray as the villain

X-Men 7 with Sinister as the villain with him taking an interest in Cyclops/Jean

X-Force 2 which opens up space with the Shi'Ar

Starjammers who at the end come to Earth in search of the MKrann crystal

X-Men 8 with the Starjammers meeting the X-Men and keeping the crystal from the Shi'Ar. The crystal breaks and release the Phoenix force which possesses Jean

I'm really hoping Apocalypse rejuvenates this franchise because after all these years it really feels tired, dated, unimaginative, and repetitive. I was really looking forward to DOFP but I was so bored watching it. Same old same old.

Apocalypse has potential to be a unique and dynamic antagonist depending on how they portray him. Please leave Magneto on the sidelines.

Frankly I feel the complete opposite to you

First Class and X-Men Days of Future Past already rejuvenated the franchise. Can't see how it's unimiginatative and repetitive considering each movie has taken place in a different decade and been a different genre.

FC was a thriller/drama and X-Men Days of Future Past a Sci-Fi and it's reported Apocalypse will be a disasters movie.

 

[magneto23]

Its not really about the tension on who's gonna live or not but if you're telling me what we saw at the altered future of DOFP is really the "finish line" of the series or the characters, then doesn't it make the future films less exciting? In my opinion, yes. Its one thing to showcase one more film set in the past, but 2-3 or more films set in the past while the stories for the future is already done... eh I feel like story-wise, they going backwards instead of moving forward.

The story advancement does NOT depend on the setting of the story. That is the wrong way to look at this. They have 40 years of story time to "move forward" toward that finish line. Nothing is moving backwards. We saw a glimpse of the future. That's it. The writers can create a whole series of movie worthy events that lead to that future scene. New exciting stories with new heroes and new villains=moving forward.

 

[Mr.M]

My slate would be:

2016: Deadpool, X-Men: Apoc
2017: Wolverine 3
2018: X-Force
2019: X-Men 7 (not sure about the storyline, though you'd figure Sinister)

Wouldn't go beyond that until Apocalypse comes out.

 

[xrs13]

The main reason other than I like the OT cast that I want another OT movie is because I think it has lots of routes to go down with Technology and with it being now an altered future. Obviously the actors are getting older, but I think it could be really cool to see some Shi'ar action with the future X-Men rather than the past. Also if they are going to focus on Cyc, Storm and Jean in the films set in the past there is no reason they cant now do that with movies set in the future. I also think that we could see even more cool things happening with their powers and stuff.

I am perfectly happy with the period films, but it could be cool to go into more sci-fi stuff with the future x-men. Plus you also have mutants like Colossus and Iceman and Rogue who can be adapted more.

And if they were to do a House of M story, I think it would play better in a future setting, where possibly someone like Warpath loses his powers.

In my head I have this vision of the x-films coming into each other. So imagine X-Force is set in the future. You can have Warpath, blink and sunspot on that team led by someone like cable. Then say Bishop joins the main X-men team. In a house of M story, you could have the main X-Men film cover it predominantly over 2 parts, but there could be a scene in one of those where you see the X-Force team on a mission and one of them loses their powers and dies. It would make people want to see what happens in the other films as well as be cool to see.

Essayyy haha sorry

 

[JEM]

Personally, i think a smah movie like All New X men is interesting option .
Of course, they can change the storyline but the concept is great .

 

[HIA]

my dream slate would have been this:

2016: Deadpool / Apocalypse
2017: Wolverine 3 / Nov: X-Force
2018: March: Gambit / July: X-Men Crossover event in present time (OT cast, XForce, Gambit, new mutants...)
2019: Deadpool 2
2020: XMen sequel (90s?) / X-Force 2

 

[psylockolussus]

I'm using a tablet, so I cannot quote long posts, so this comment is directed to Cyclopsisright:

Its not the same thing, Tony's story moves forward from Avengers to his solo film and we dont know hiis end game yet. With more 1st Class films, they are telling stories that already happened, basically a prequel. So yes its less exciting if what we saw in the altered future is really the end game for the Ot characters and if they are merely telling stories that occured inbetween 1973 and 2023.

 

[psylockolussus]

My ideal roster for the next phase of The X-Men Saga

2016- Deadpool, X-Men Apocalypse
2017- Wolverine: Omega, X-Force
2018- X-Men Apocalypse Rises featuring the ot cast
2019- X-Men Force: Apocalypse Now aka the crossover film
2020- X-Men Sinister featuring the ot cast, The New Mutants
2021- X-Factor
2022- X-Men Factor aka another crossover film also featuring the New Mutants
2023- X-Force 3, X-Factor 3
2024- The New Mutants 3
2025- X-Men the End featuring the OT cast

So 3 X-Force films, 3 New Mutants films, 3 X-Factor films, one more Wolverine solo film, Deadpool, one more First Class film and 3 ot cast only films.

 

[Super Jim]

If you could say, map out the X-Men franchise, what would you do?

OMG, if I only had this power!!!!! Here is what I would do, though I will try to stay within the confines of what I'm expecting for Apocalypse!!!

2016:

X-Men - Apocalypse

I would go with a young Storm, Jean and Scott. Also a young Nightcrawler. Introduce Gambit and use Quicksilver, Magneto, Wolverine, Mystique, Beast and Professor X. Timeline is different because Apocalypse is accidentally awoken from his slumber (by Storm). Gambit working for Sinister (a future movie villain). Wolverine is the Horseman Death. Apocalypse is defeated in the end, though Sinister is shown placing his body whatever into a regeneration sarcouphagus (so he can come back in a future AOA movie).

2017:

Deadpool

This is when I would give Deadpool his own movie. Not sure what story or what villain. Sinister could possibly be used.

The X-Force

This would be the introduction of Cable and Domino. Some younger X-students from a group refered to as "New Mutants" find themselves in a situation away from school. The two I would use are Cannonball and Boom Boom. They are saved from an attack (by Deadpool - hired merc) by Cable and Dom. Add in one other, maybe Shatterstar or Psylocke. The main villain would be Selene or the White Queen and the Hellions (her death could be explained as mental manipulation).

Wolverine 3

Omega Red should be the main villain. Not sure what timeline to put this in, but even in the present this one could work. He should have a "sidekick", someone like Jublilee.

2018:

Gambit Spin-off movie

If his character is embraced when introduced, why not?

F4/X-Men OT cast cross-over

I would make this FF2 movie one where Kitty Pryde is losing control of her powers and she is brought to Reed Richards for help. When Reed is unwilling to use his tech to save her Colossus attacks and a fight breaks out between the two groups, including Rogue (with flight, strength and invulnerability) and Iceman. Doom would be the main villain again, but there can be a secondary villain in his employ.

Mystique

Give Jennifer Lawrence her own flick. Maybe this should be done in 2017 instead? Not sure when to set this, but it would be pretty cool to see her relationship with Destiny. The lesbian lover concept could be interesting... Maybe this one could be the Book of Destiny story.

2019:

X-Factor

Go with the government sponsored group that includes Forge, Strong Guy, Polaris, Multiple Man (done better this time) and Havok (though this is the son or Grandson of the Havok we've seen). Not sure what villain or story.

X-Men: Asteroid M

Same cast of younger X-Men. Magneto would have created Asteroid M in the Apocalypse movie to set this up. World governments are scared of Magneto and are looking to deal with the threat. The X-Men go to space to deal with Magneto. Acolytes, as well as the main villain, Cortez.

2020:

X-Force 2

Have new members join, including Deadpool.

Mystique 2 or other movie(s)

Would love to see Mystique in a movie set in say the early 2000's where she is the foster mother of Rogue and causes her to absorb the powers of strength, invulnerability and flight from some other being (obviously not Ms. Marvel in this movie-verse). This would oviously lead to Rogue going to Xavier for help, though that would not necessarily need to be shown, just her leaving Mystique.

Wolverine 4?

Maybe, what other stories/villains are there? Maybe Cyber.

Some of this may not fit in with everything. This X-Universe is so difficult with how much time they are spanning (from 1962 up to 2023) and with where they put specific characters (like Havok in the 60's).

In many ways I think they need to look at things from this Apocalypse movie being a new starting point, though stuck within the confines of what they've done previously. What I mean by that is that if they have Storm, Jean and Scott as 16 year old new students in 1983 then they need to map things from there.

Lets say the characters we have in 1983 are as follows:

- Jean, Ororo and Scott = 16 years old
- Nightcrawler = 19 years old
- Quicksilver = mid-20's
- Gambit = mid-20's
- Wolverine = doesn't matter
- Mystique = doesn't matter
- Beast = 36 or 37 years old
- Professor X = 51
- Magneto = 51

 

[Big V]

2025- X-Men the End featuring the OT cast

You can't be serious. The actors will be so old by then, and will have almost certainly moved on. If we're lucky, Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen will still be alive, and perhaps they can be involved, but c'mon, this is beyond wishful thinking.

 

[Pauln6]

What they should have done was film two OT movies back to back IMO. As matters stand, I'm fine if they re-tell stories from their younger days. My issue is that they won't be able to expand on Angel, Iceman, Shadowcat, Rogue, or Colossus - stalwarts of the X-teams, because those characters are 15 - 20 years younger (more in the case of Beast, Havok, and Banshee - they can't have seriously intended to kill him off screen permanently) than the 'original' movie X-men. 40-year old Gambit hitting on 16 year old Rogue would be very creepy.

 

[Sithborg]

Why do people want so many movies a year? I mean, I look at the Marvel/DC line ups, and it is like an overdose of sugar. I love X-men, and think there is some potential for a diversity of the line, but please don't overload us. The brand has not recovered quite that much. One X related movie a year will keep me happy.

 

[Big V]

What they should have done was film two OT movies back to back IMO. As matters stand, I'm fine if they re-tell stories from their younger days. My issue is that they won't be able to expand on Angel, Iceman, Shadowcat, Rogue, or Colossus - stalwarts of the X-teams, because those characters are 15 - 20 years younger (more in the case of Beast, Havok, and Banshee - they can't have seriously intended to kill him off screen permanently) than the 'original' movie X-men. 40-year old Gambit hitting on 16 year old Rogue would be very creepy.

They have already suggested that DOFP could have effected when certain characters were born. I assume this is directed specifically at Warren Worthington III, but perhaps others as well, to bring everyone in-line. Do not forget that DOFP was a soft-reboot, so they are going to be changing the rules a bit along the way, as all reboots do.

 

[Super Jim]

^ I've already explained that all DOFP really did was make things between 1973 and 2023 up for grabs. But any character that could be in the 1983 set Apocalypse movie would need to have already been born prior to Wolverine coming back (like Storm, Jean and Scott - who were likely born in 1967) or at best could be 9 or 10 years old (in 1983). I can't see them doing anything good with a 9 or 10 year old character where they would divert so much from what we've seen previously, as far as age.

Even if you go beyond the concept that to have the same person (with the same powers, like Angel) they must come from the same egg and same sperm. Just because the timeline was altered does not mean that Warren could now be born in 1973 instead of when he was likely born, which my guess would be around 1983. The point is that Warren Worthington III would be, at best, a baby in 1983 and couldn't have been born, even after the changes to the timeline, back in 1973. But even if they decided to do something stupid like that, at best (barring time travel) he could be 10 years old!!!!!

As far as too many movies, I'm totally geeking out over all of the upcoming Marvel movies. More Avengers!, Black Panther, Ant Man, Captain America 3, Thor 3, GotG 2, etc. I'm totally geeking out!!! So why wouldn't we want more of the best characters (the X-Men)? If they go forward in the right way (which, unfortunately is a very huge IF) it could all be really, really good!

 

[Rorschach2012]

The next movie after Apocalypse should be set a couple years later, with Mr. Sinister as the primary villain.

Both Apocalypse and the Sinister centric movie should focus on Scott.. Cyclops didn't get a chance to shine in the original trilogy or in X-Men Origins: Wolverine.


I'd be ok with Fox closing the series with a Mr. Sinister movie.

 

[Hamill-Joker]

'd be ok with Fox closing the series with a Mr. Sinister movie.

Closing the series? Things are just getting started again. Fox's series is building momentum.

 

[scatterax]

So is dead pool moving forward or not?