Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - Part 2

[CyclopsWasRight]

Ah, Nova

I love your unbridled optimism when it comes to X-Men films.

Well I like the franchise and after two great X-Men movies I see no cause for concern

Not sure if serious...

Anyway, like I said earlier, The Hollywoord Reporter article sounded as if they aren't familiar with the franchise.

We've heard multiple things about this movie and even then we don't know much about it. We've heard "it is going to be a disaster movie", "its going to focus on the relationship between Mystique and Beast", "it is going to be about a romance between Magneto and Mystique", "its going to be Erik and Charles's movie". All of these things have been reported by various outlets at different times.

Remember, news outlets also like to use stars as drawing cards as well, not just movie studios. One scene where Magneto and Mystique are intimate can be embellished into a headline where the entire movie is based around their romance because news outlets know Jennifer Lawrence news = hits.

This is why I take any news about any movie with a grain of salt. Stick to concrete things like castings, promotional material, and trailers.

Good point about scoops being used for hits and the contradiction of the Mystique/Beast focus and Mystique/Magneto focus

 

[BoredGuy]

Kinberg is awful
he and Zak Penn are still not forgiven for X3

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Didn't Zak Penn write X2?

 

[Hamill-Joker]

Good point about scoops being used for hits and the contradiction of the Mystique/Beast focus and Mystique/Magneto focus

The thing is, and this really bugged me at the time, the stuff about the Mystique/Beast relationship came from an interview with Kinberg.

Except, he never said that the focus of the movie was going to be on their relationship or that the movie was going to focus on Mystique. He just said that Mystique's relationship with Erik and Charles was an interesting point of the franchise because she is in this sort of tug of war between both mentalities, and that they may be able to touch on the Beast/Mystique relationship because they didn't have time in DOFP.

These turned into the headlines:

X-Men: Apocalypse Will Focus on Mystique

and

X-Men: Apocalypse Will Focus on the Beast/Mystique Relationship

 

[JP]

Didn't Zak Penn write X2?

And The Avengers.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

The thing is, and this really bugged me at the time, the stuff about the Mystique/Beast relationship came from an interview with Kinberg.

Except, he never said that the focus of the movie was going to be on their relationship or that the movie was going to focus on Mystique. He just said that Mystique's relationship with Erik and Charles was an interesting point of the franchise because she is in this sort of tug of war between both mentalities, and that they may be able to touch on the Beast/Mystique relationship because they didn't have time in DOFP.

These turned into the headlines:

X-Men: Apocalypse Will Focus on Mystique

and

X-Men: Apocalypse Will Focus on the Beast/Mystique Relationship

I think those headline came from two reasons

1. J-Law is a hot property so they'll run with anything with her mentioned as big new
2. The superhero movie craze is so big these publications are getting a lot from printing news and scoops and when there's not a lot to talk about things still need to be printed so any bit of news can be turned into something bigger

 

[marvelrobbins]

In both case he only devolped story.

X2 script was more David hayter and then DOugherty and Harris.Avengers was main Joss
Whedon.

As for mystique/beast it might be little awkrord trying to have relationship between them after lawrence and Hoult broke up.

 

[Hamill-Joker]

As for mystique/beast it might be little awkrord trying to have relationship between them after lawrence and Hoult broke up.

They did have some filmed for DOFP that got cut. I can't remember off the top of my head how much, but I do remember young Charles making a reference to the relationship in the deleted scene where Mystique comes back to the mansion.

There is still a little bit of it left in the movie, as Mystique goes to leave after the finale at the White House, there is a look shared between Hank and Mystique.

Even if they did do something for Apocalypse, I think that a good portion of it would be cut. But as you said, they may have axed it already because of it potentially being awkward.

 

[CB Fan]

I don't care how well done it may end up I just don't want to see more on this romance between Erik and Raven, which should have ended the moment he tried to kill her in DoFP. I wanted to see her on her own maybe starting her own team. I really hope there's two parts to this film.

 

[xrs13]

Late to the party but okay, So also Singer is in London for casting. And in regards to this "news" about Mags and Mystique. The x-films have always had better villians than most cbm's with a decent amount of time on them.

In FC Mags and Mystique we hugely prominent but Shaw didnt suffer for it. Basically the plots in this likely 2.5 hour movie are Mags and Mystique, Mystique and beast , Xavier recruiting the X-Men. Big bad villain... Funny but that sounds like a carbon copy of FC sooooo realistically should give no need for all this concern!

 

[JP]

Late to the party but okay, So also Singer is in London for casting. And in regards to this "news" about Mags and Mystique. The x-films have always had better villians than most cbm's with a decent amount of time on them.

In FC Mags and Mystique we hugely prominent but Shaw didnt suffer for it. Basically the plots in this likely 2.5 hour movie are Mags and Mystique, Mystique and beast , Xavier recruiting the X-Men. Big bad villain... Funny but that sounds like a carbon copy of FC sooooo realistically should give no need for all this concern!

No new info about Danny?

 

[xrs13]

No new info about Danny?

Unfortunately not! But with that instagram tweet from Singer saying he is in London for the casting I may know more soon!

 

[JP]

Unfortunately not! But with that instagram tweet from Singer saying he is in London for the casting I may know more soon!

We're all counting on you.


It's nice that Singer tweets out announcements himself, but man, it kinda takes away the fun of seeing all the blogs post leaked shortists. I guess we'll know soon enough.

 

[Hamill-Joker]

In FC Mags and Mystique we hugely prominent but Shaw didnt suffer for it. Basically the plots in this likely 2.5 hour movie are Mags and Mystique, Mystique and beast , Xavier recruiting the X-Men. Big bad villain... Funny but that sounds like a carbon copy of FC sooooo realistically should give no need for all this concern!

My prediction of the general plot of the movie is: characters start out separated from each other, are forced to get back together to fight the villain.

By now Erik, Charles, and Mystique all will have their own agenda and being doing their own thing. Mystique may have her own team, even possibly working for the government. Charles will be at his school. And Erik will have his own thing going on too, my hope is that it involves Genosha.

Apocalypse will appear on the scene, some characters will join his cause, some will be opposed, and some will be be unsure of which way to go.

Some crazy stuff will go down, there will be mass destruction. Charles, Erik, and Mystique will reluctantly have to get back together and with their allies fight Apocalypse.

 

[The Batman]

I don't know why people are freaking out. Just as the OT focused on Wolverine at the expense of others, the PT focuses on Xavier/Magneto with inscreasing Mystique focus due to JLaw's popularity.

If Scott/Ororo/Jean are in this film, I expect them to get Havok/Banshee- level screentime.

 

[psylockolussus]

It was heavily hinted In X-Men and X2 that Magneto and Mystique were couple.

So it seems like *some* things will exactly be the same with the original trilogy

-All the X-Men from X1 to X3 ended up in the X-Mansion
-It looks Magneto/Mystique will be allies again despite what happened in 1973

I don't care how well done it may end up I just don't want to see more on this romance between Erik and Raven, which should have ended the moment he tried to kill her in DoFP. I wanted to see her on her own maybe starting her own team. I really hope there's two parts to this film.

I'm fine if they are allies but as a couple. I don't think feel too good about it and the possible love triangle with Hank.

 

[BMM]

Oh yes, I forgot
Brainwashed lackeys are so much better than characters with thoughts and emotions

I prefer a story that places the appropriate amount of focus on the appropriate characters. There are times when it's okay to discriminate. This is one of them. Put more emphasis on the characters actually capable of moving the franchise forward. If that somehow includes the Horsemen, great. If not, no need to pretend they're on par with already well established characters or the founding members of the X-Men.

perhaps because it would be a good story, worth exploring...??? (especially if it's logan...)

You're complaining that Magneto and Mystique are overexposed, but your solution is to give more screen time to Wolverine?

We haven't had it in the past 2 films, why expect anything different?

The X-Men going on missions to defeat the villain in 4 out of 5 team films aside, Apocalypse takes place 10 years after Days of Future Past, and, given the drastic shift in Xavier between First Class and that film, I think there's more of a precedent that Xavier won't still be a hippie shut-in, living with Beast, while Apocalypse destroys the world, only to have Cyclops and Jean show up in an after credits scene... or whatever it is you're even arguing anymore.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't know why people are freaking out. Just as the OT focused on Wolverine at the expense of others, the PT focuses on Xavier/Magneto with inscreasing Mystique focus due to JLaw's popularity.

If Scott/Ororo/Jean are in this film, I expect them to get Havok/Banshee- level screentime.

The thing is this is already X-Men movie number 8. And at least with Wolverine, he is actually a member of the X-Men and he's the most popular character of the X-Men, while Mystique/Magneto who are already entering their 6th film (7th for Magneto if you count his The Wolverine cameo) are villains and aren't member of the X-Men. Even if we get a bunch of good films in the future but if they are heavily focusing on Magneto/Mystique, people would still complain or ask for the other characters (like Storm/Cyclops/Rogue) to get their break. I love this franchise so much but I'm still waiting to see a X-Men film where the focus is on the team and characters like Cyclops/Storm/Rogue aren't just secondary characters to the story.

 

[Duran Man]

This romance between Magneto and Mystique fits in with what Kinberg said about her joining his side again.

 

[Krak66]

I hope they will make Mystique more cold and evil. I don't wanna kind Mystique anymore. Two movies are enough.

If she is evil I will ready to see her in sex relationship with Magneto, Beast and even Charles simultaneously

 

[dax]

Sure not all people will notice the difference and thats why we got multiple continuity errors and things such as 2 Emma Frosts, XOW Sabretooth isn't that well connected to X1 Sabretooth, Magneto helping Prof X to build Cerebro, etc....

I think they should avoid doing things like that again.

I think XOW Sabertooth is very much connected to X1 Sabertooth. For starters, the way Sabertooth dodged Cyclops's optic laser beams at the beginning of X1 as if he knew who Cyclops was and what he can do. In Origins, you see the connection when Sabertooth ambushes Cyclops at his high school and Cyclops blasts a hole through the school's roof while being knocked to the ground. Then, there's the whole "wearing Wolverine's dog tags" issue in X1 which indicates that Sabertooth knows who Wolverine is and he should since he fought side by side with him for centuries and he also worked with Stryker in Origins.

 

[psylockolussus]

I hope they will make Mystique more cold and evil. I don't wanna kind Mystique anymore. Two movies are enough.

If she is evil I will ready to see her in sex relationship with Magneto, Beast and even Charles simultaneously

I don't think she will go evil. If she and Magneto are just gonna go evil like they were in the original trilogy, then it would seem that they are just redoing things right? Some things should stay the same but with Magneto/Mystique, I don't think we need to see the X-Men taking them and the Brotherhood down once again.

I think the big bad evil mutant will be Apocalypse. While Magneto/Mystique will act as anti-heroes.

 

[justanotherguy]

good for Fox making the same movie over and over again. Can't wait to see what mutants are pushed to the background.



and Scott Summers again is pushed to B plot at best.

I believe that Fox would make Sunspot the lead character in an X film if Adan Canto would suddenly blow up.

 

[def28]

Since they can only hold these actors for one more contract it should be no shock. They have been the leads for the past two films and this is their closer.

Whatever Singer want's to wrap up with them he has to do it here. I really can't see Lawrence returning after this.

 

[GuestStar2004]

they have alot to wrap up with mystique, they won't leave the charles/raven thread left hanging either