Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - Part 2

[Hamill-Joker]

The real thing to take from this? Lawrence renegotiating her X-Men contract - a bit made as an off-hand remark. For the longest time, the word was she (and especially Fassbender) were out of there the moment their deals were up. If they can manage to keep her around, that is a major coup.

Well, The Hunger Games is coming to an end. I believe she is finished filming both parts of Mockingjay. So she is without a blockbuster franchise unless she stays with X-Men.

I never got the vibe that Fassbender was leaving, especially with the fact that he has been reading X-Men comics and has been talking to Kinberg about where he'd like the character of Magneto to go.

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I wouldn't put too much stock in the Hollywood Reporter's article regarding Magneto/Mystique. The way it reads to me, the X-Men stuff comes across like they aren't too familiar with the franchise.

 

[Loki882]

I think that after Apocalypse, they're going to start branching the franchise off. What with Deadpool and (probably) Gambit getting solo films, a possible X-Force movie, and possible TV show, etc.

The sense that I get from these actors is that a lot of them are fine with doing these films as long as they also have time to do their smaller, more personal projects as well. Scarlett Johansson is more than willing to play BW in the MCU, but she also wants to do stuff like Her, or Under the Skin in-between those films. Fassbender is willing to keep playing Magneto if he can also keep doing stuff like 12 Years a Slave or Shame as well. And Lawrence can have her movies like Silver Linings Playbook or Serena in-between her X-Men/THG commitments. Basically, they're willing to do these movies, but they don't want to JUST do these movies.

 

[Hamill-Joker]

I think that after Apocalypse, they're going to start branching the franchise off. What with Deadpool and (probably) Gambit getting solo films, a possible X-Force movie, and possible TV show, etc.

I think they will do some branching off as well, but I also think Fox knows that the real money for the franchise is in the main X-Men movies where you've got the whole team together.

 

[BMM]

you can't spend time on all these things they've mentioned and still fully devlop everything, you just can't, that was a huge problem with DOFP I thought, too much time dedicated to one or two characters at the expense of everyone else (just like they did with Wolverine in the early films) between the beast/mystique, xavier/mystique, and magneto/mystique relationships (goddam jennifer lawrence) the intro of young Cyke, Jean, and Storm, and the addition of a millenia-old super-villain who distorts four other characters into super-villains (with all the pain and suffering and emotional turmoil that should be attached to being a horseman) the movie either has to be 4 hours long, or somebody, probably a lot of characters, will be underdeveloped. Can it all be fit into one film? yes. Will it all be done well? doubtful. just my belief on the sitch.

I'm sorry, but I do not need to see the "pain and suffering" and "emotional turmoil" associated with being a Horseman, especially with Angel absent. They're brainwashed lackeys. That's a pretty simple point to get across.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I will believe a X-force film is coming when I see something recent on it.

During the summer Lauren Shueller Donner was talking up Deadpool and Gambit solo films not X-force.

Another thing to take away from Jennifer Lawrence reneograting her contract Is plans are likely to be staying in past.Inless the solo wolverine film Is based on old man logan all the X-Men films could be In past.

Part of DOFP was so they could using time travel to kind of "Reboot" the films.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I'm sorry, but I do not need to see the "pain and suffering" and "emotional turmoil" associated with being a Horseman, especially with Angel absent. They're brainwashed lackeys. That's a pretty simple point to get across.

Inless Wolverine and Mystique are turned into horseman the 4 horseman are mainly going to be lackeys for Apocalypse choocen for power displays.

First CLass and Days of future past prove what people on internet say what
must happen Isn't a good indicator of what they will do.

Whenever i see lists of what needs to happen In APocalypse i see people wanting to flood the screen with characters and then some complain about too many characters.Which is what happened here with DOFP.

 

[BMM]

I fully expect Wolverine to take Angel's place as the hero turned brainwashed Horseman.

 

[Super Jim]

Seems to me the best route to get Erik and Raven in the same scene is to start with them separate, doing their own things, motivated by the things they are each motivated by (which are different).

I could see Mystque working to protect her mutant bretheren, as we've seen. I could also see her having formed her own team, that takes on whatever threat is there that is against mutants. If a government agency had a mutant, like say Destiny, captured then Mystique would most definitely try to free her.

For Erik, what is his motivation post DoFP? I could see him being an isolationist. But at the same time, I could see him wanting to protect hsi fellow mutants as well. I could see him forming the island nation of Genosha (could you imagine him actually using his powers to mine gold and paying for the island, all legal like?) or Asteroid M (Avalon) - or first one, then the other.

At the same time, I could see Mystique and her team fighting to free a mutant or mutants from a government agency, losing (or about to lose) and Erik saving the day. That would be a great, exciting scene and would end up bringing both Erik and Raven together, which sets them up to then have the "you left me"/"I had to" dialog, that would lead to the reveal that Mystique ended up either being tricked by Azazel, or forced, or that she sought comfort in his arms, all leading to Kurt.

What I don;t want to see is that Kurt is Erik's (and Mystique's) son. That would very muich ruin things for me. Makes much more sense that after Erik left, and didn't come back, that Mystique ended up with Azazel, and Kurt was conceived. Azazel was killed by Project Wide Awake, and they were coming after Raven, who fleed and left Kurt with the Gypsy Margali, which caused Kurt to grow up in the circus. This does two things...

It resolves the parentage of Nightcrawler, while also resolves the relationship that Mystique and Magneto had. Maybe they could get back together, but if Erik was leaving the planet (Asteroid M) I would imagine that Raven would feel the need to stay and continue fighting for the mutants. All of this would greatly expand on both Mystique's and Magneto's characters!

 

[HAMMER]

Knowing its going to be more of the same nonsense as FC and DOFP without the good parts of First Class (like DOFP), I have zero interest in Fassneto/Lawrence: Apocalypse. I don't care about these characters after First Class and DOFP. God forbid we have a movie where the X-Men, the actual team of X-Men that live in and train in the mansion and go and missions, fight a new powerful mutant called Apocalypse. I wonder who's going to be all morose about being a down-trodden mutant in this one.

Do you think we'll ever get to see an X-Men movie where there is an actual team of X-Men, i.e. Cyclops, Wolverine, Jean Grey, Storm, Beast, Colossus, etc. that are the main characters of the movie? I don't. We got a mediocre one in '99 and its been mostly Singer's pretentious agenda driven crap since.

 

[BoredGuy]

I'm sorry, but I do not need to see the "pain and suffering" and "emotional turmoil" associated with being a Horseman, especially with Angel absent. They're brainwashed lackeys. That's a pretty simple point to get across.

Oh yes, I forgot
Brainwashed lackeys are so much better than characters with thoughts and emotions

 

[SuperT]

...but where did it say we aren't getting an X-Men team that goes on a mission to stop the most powerful mutant they've seen?

I completely missed that part. Where is it? Who said that?

 

[SuperT]

I'm sorry, but I do not need to see the "pain and suffering" and "emotional turmoil" associated with being a Horseman, especially with Angel absent. They're brainwashed lackeys. That's a pretty simple point to get across.

I agree with this. Other than Angel, have we EVER really delved into what it's like being turned into a horseman and how it effects you with any of the other variations? Why would we now...?

 

[x-er]

Knowing its going to be more of the same nonsense as FC and DOFP without the good parts of First Class (like DOFP), I have zero interest in Fassneto/Lawrence: Apocalypse. I don't care about these characters after First Class and DOFP. God forbid we have a movie where the X-Men, the actual team of X-Men that live in and train in the mansion and go and missions, fight a new powerful mutant called Apocalypse. I wonder who's going to be all morose about being a down-trodden mutant in this one.

Do you think we'll ever get to see an X-Men movie where there is an actual team of X-Men, i.e. Cyclops, Wolverine, Jean Grey, Storm, Beast, Colossus, etc. that are the main characters of the movie? I don't. We got a mediocre one in '99 and its been mostly Singer's pretentious agenda driven crap since.

I honestly think X-Men 3 would have been that film with Singer along.

But for now, I think they want Singer, not to man every film, but to point the franchise back in the right direction. Singer is not the only one that could tell great X-Men stories, for sure, and they will definitely need a little variety.

 

[HAMMER]

...but where did it say we aren't getting an X-Men team that goes on a mission to stop the most powerful mutant they've seen?

I completely missed that part. Where is it? Who said that?

We haven't had it in the past 2 films, why expect anything different? At this point in the timeline, there's no X-Men, just hippie Xavier and Beast. We know the majority of the film will revolve around Xavier, Fass, Beast, and Lawrence, with some unknown amount of Jackman in it. 2+2=4. What evidence is there to suggest anything other than it being a film where those characters are the primary focus for 80% of the film, the rest going to plot and villains, like Shaw and Trask. At best the school is open and 'new' students Scott, Jean and Ororo have small bit parts. At worst their the new students who appear at the end of the film.

This would actually fit the pattern of the past 2 films where the final scene/stinger is once again alluding to a more faithful tone in the next film, only for it to be erased by Singer.

At the end of First Class we had an awesome 60's looking Mags with a Brotherhood ready to wreak some havoc and a team of young X-Men in Beast, Havok, and Banshee led by Xavier rockin' some classic looking yellow X-duds. But instead of some awesome X-Men vs. Brotherhood action (that you actually have in the real DoFP comics) we get DOFP.

At the end of DoFP we get Wolverine waking up in the X-mansion and seeing all the actual X-Men are there, in their classic looks, for the first and last time. How f'n awesome would it be if that was the cast that took on Apocalypse in the next film? But no, we're going back to the past again.

The icing on the cake is the deleted scene in the Wolverine where he finally gets his costume.

 

[BoredGuy]

I agree with this. Other than Angel, have we EVER really delved into what it's like being turned into a horseman and how it effects you with any of the other variations? Why would we now...?

perhaps because it would be a good story, worth exploring...??? (especially if it's logan or someone else we know)
as opposed to "me death, me kill you now, raaaarrrr"

I would always rather have rounded characters in place of mindless henchman


ps. also, Logan and Gambit both dealt with the trauma of being horsemen in the comics, and Remender's UXF had the final horsemen who were interesting characters I would have loved to see explored more

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

We haven't had it in the past 2 films, why expect anything different?

We had the first ever iteration of the X-Men go on a mission at the end of First Class and we had the latest iteration of the X-Men enact a mission to defend Wolverine from Sentinels in X-Men Days of Future Past

We haven't had much of the core characters doing that since X3 but they're introducing them in Apocalypse so it's a case of steps rather than jumping into it.

By the sounds of it this movie will tie up the First Class trilogy arc and the start of the next arc will have the core team together as a team

 

[SuperT]

I would always rather have rounded characters in place of mindless henchman

But the horsemen, outside of Angel, Gambit and Wolverine, don't deserve or need any further depth or explanation. They serve one single purpose and making it more elaborate than it needs to be wastes time for characters that are more important to the overall story. You know, like Scott, Storm and Jean.

Like honestly, did people seriously think J. Lawrence was going to be kicked to the side. If so, you were deluding yourself and there's $1,555,813,431 reasons why that would be a dumb decision on Fox's part.

 

[HAMMER]

We had the first ever iteration of the X-Men go on a mission at the end of First Class and we had the latest iteration of the X-Men enact a mission to defend Wolverine from Sentinels in X-Men Days of Future Past

We haven't had much of the core characters doing that since X3 but they're introducing them in Apocalypse so it's a case of steps rather than jumping into it.

By the sounds of it this movie will tie up the First Class trilogy arc and the start of the next arc will have the core team together as a team

Ah, Nova, I love your unbridled optimism when it comes to foX-Men films. After 2 films, I'm not interested in seeing a third 'bring them together' film. I just have serious doubts that any new Cyclops, Storm, Jean characters are going to have any impact on this film at all. Singer doesn't care about these characters, there's no reason to think he'll start on his 4th go around.

 

[lofoa82]

PLEASE! PLEASE! If there's any FOX exec looking at this forum...

PLEASE DON´T put a romance story for Magneto in X-Men: Apocalypse.

Magneto´s idealism goes beyond having a romance. Goes beyond himself, even.

The ONLY love story from Magneto I´d like to explore, is the one with Magda. Making a love story just because of Lawrence and Fassbender... PLEASE DON´T.

I think the Magneto persona would lose impact, doing "trivial" things like being in a romance.

Am I the only one worried that Kingberg is having waaay to much power now?

JANE GOLDMAN! Please come baaaaaaaaaack!!!

 

[Hamill-Joker]

PLEASE! PLEASE! If there's any FOX exec looking at this forum...

PLEASE DON´T put a romance story for Magneto in X-Men: Apocalypse.

Magneto´s idealism goes beyond having a romance. Goes beyond himself, even.

The ONLY love story from Magneto I´d like to explore, is the one with Magda. Making a love story just because of Lawrence and Fassbender... PLEASE DON´T.

I think the Magneto persona would lose impact, doing "trivial" things like being in a romance.

Am I the only one worried that Kingberg is having waaay to much power now?

JANE GOLDMAN! Please come baaaaaaaaaack!!!

Not sure if serious...

Anyway, like I said earlier, The Hollywoord Reporter article sounded as if they aren't familiar with the franchise.

We've heard multiple things about this movie and even then we don't know much about it. We've heard "it is going to be a disaster movie", "its going to focus on the relationship between Mystique and Beast", "it is going to be about a romance between Magneto and Mystique", "its going to be Erik and Charles's movie". All of these things have been reported by various outlets at different times.

Remember, news outlets also like to use stars as drawing cards as well, not just movie studios. One scene where Magneto and Mystique are intimate can be embellished into a headline where the entire movie is based around their romance because news outlets know Jennifer Lawrence news = hits.

This is why I take any news about any movie with a grain of salt. Stick to concrete things like castings, promotional material, and trailers.

 

[JP]

Not sure if serious...

Anyway, like I said earlier, The Hollywoord Reporter article sounded as if they aren't familiar with the franchise.

We've heard multiple things about this movie and even then we don't know much about it. We've heard "it is going to be a disaster movie", "its going to focus on the relationship between Mystique and Beast", "it is going to be about a romance between Magneto and Mystique", "its going to be Erik and Charles's movie". All of these things have been reported by various outlets at different times.

Remember, news outlets also like to use stars as drawing cards as well, not just movie studios. One scene where Magneto and Mystique are intimate can be embellished into a headline where the entire movie is based around their romance because news outlets know Jennifer Lawrence news = hits.

This is why I take any news about any movie with a grain of salt. Stick to concrete things like castings, promotional material, and trailers.

 

[Smilodon]

Kinberg had Goldman help him out on DOFP over dinner at SDCC three years ago. I definitely think she's a superior screenplay writer to Kinberg and would love to have her involved in some capacity (preferably with Vaughn) in future X-Men projects down the line. But I somewhat think that the team of Singer, Dougherty, Harris and Kinberg isn't bad.

Anyways people are jumping the gun again with all this stuff. Naturally the biggest stars are going to get focus within reason, that's just how it is. But there hasn't been anything to say that we won't get good bits from the other characters as well.

Good to see Singer give us something and an update on casting. And interesting to hear JLaw considering renegotiating coming back to the franchise. Like mentioned above, I don't think any of the actors oppose playing these superhero characters as long as they have the freedom to pursue their other passion projects. I could definitely live without Mystique, but it's nice to leave the door open for JLaw in the future. Not taking advantage of her popularity and ability (however untapped it may be in a role like Mystique) would be a waste especially with the caliber of stars other studios are getting in their superhero films.

 

[Hamill-Joker]

Good to see Singer give us something and an update on casting. And interesting to hear JLaw considering renegotiating coming back to the franchise. Like mentioned above, I don't think any of the actors oppose playing these superhero characters as long as they have the freedom to pursue their other passion projects. I could definitely live without Mystique, but it's nice to leave the door open for JLaw in the future. Not taking advantage of her popularity and ability (however untapped it may be in a role like Mystique) would be a waste especially with the caliber of stars other studios are getting in their superhero films.

It is also good to use the starpower of certain actors in order to have the audience give the next generation of actors a chance.

First Class was good, but at the time the starpower wasn't there to get a huge box office reception. Days of Future Past utilizes the starpower of the original cast, Jackman, and now Lawrence and that should carry over into Apocalypse which won't have the original cast with the exception of likely Jackman.

Keeping actors like Lawrence and Jackman around is good for giving a boost to the new young actors that will play Jean, Cyclops, and Storm until they can fully take over the franchise.

 

[Super Jim]

^ I agree. Having more than one known Horseman would take away from things. Simply go with Wolverine as the Horseman Death and have Xavier have to break through, during battle, to break him out of it. Once he turns on his master, they can win, take Wolvie back to the mansion to be psionically healed, and you're done.

The other three Horsemen (come on, there has to be four) need to be throw-aways. In fact, I wouldn't mind terribly if at the beginning of the movie, when Apocalypse is awoken from his slumber, along with his four Horsemen, that a cave-in caused by somone (like Gambit or Ororo) ends up killing the Horsemen, taking them out of the picture and causing Apocalypse to need to get more (which results in Wolverine being turned). Then focus just on Wolverine as the secondary villain, with Apocalypse as the main.

 

[marvelrobbins]

PLEASE! PLEASE! If there's any FOX exec looking at this forum...

PLEASE DON´T put a romance story for Magneto in X-Men: Apocalypse.

Magneto´s idealism goes beyond having a romance. Goes beyond himself, even.

The ONLY love story from Magneto I´d like to explore, is the one with Magda. Making a love story just because of Lawrence and Fassbender... PLEASE DON´T.

I think the Magneto persona would lose impact, doing "trivial" things like being in a romance.

Am I the only one worried that Kingberg is having waaay to much power now?

JANE GOLDMAN! Please come baaaaaaaaaack!!!

There will be magneto-mystique relationship because that Is what Bryan Singer wants.He created the idea back for X-Men and X2 when he strongly hinted at it.Now they are going full blown.

At end of DOFP Singer clearly let it be known he wants Rogue and Iceman together.

If the FF reboot turns out to be disaster one thing for sure Simon Kinberg
needs Singer around to force him to write decent script.Those who read leaked early draft say final version was much better.

Singer has Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris to work with kinberg.And rumor was despite Kinberg's sole screenwriting credit on DOFP the same
thing happened there.

It's also very telling they went after a different writer for gambit solo despite Kinberg being attached as producer.

With Singer directing and unlike DOFP being involved in devolping story from begining that bodes well for film.