Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - Part 2

[Tacit Ronin]

I know they were going for realism with her, but I hate that she never used her powers offensively in this film series.

She is just too pc these days.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Hugh Jackman Is only member of original cast we can count on seeing again.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.We have to see what happens In Apocalypse.And we have spin offs Deadpool,Wolverine,Gambit and X Tv show.

Besides Jackman It is unknown If there are any plans for original cast again. It was in filmmakers intrest going Into DOFP and right after it's release to hint to OT fans the cast could have future In franchise.

Now if ending of Apocalypse were to flash to future again then you could have an appearance but if that were to happen it would likely be Patrick Stewart
and Jackman.

The time travel In DOFP was to "Reboot" franchise.

Now If the FF bombs that kills any talk of X-Men/FF crossover and that would be best best to see members of OT Cast.

Now if new wolverine solo film Is set after ending of DOFP in future then there Is chance of seeing someone from original cast join Jackman In that but the film could be set In past too.As could Deadpool,Gambit and X-Men related TV show.

After DOFP did 746 Million WW Fox may gamble with exception of Jackman they don't need Original cast anymore.And wolverine may be supporting role In Apocalypse.

After X-Men:Apocalypse it's unknown what Bryan Singer's Involvement will be In franchise.After that he has directed 4 X-Men films and had hands on INvolvemnet with In total 5 films.That's a lot.

 

[JP]

I think some of you need to come to the realization that some things are over.

Look, first, this one movie will be about APocalypse. As far as to the extent that the young versions of Storm, Cyclops and Jean (and hopefully Nightcrawler) are involved, that's up for grabs. Let's hope they put the focus on this new team and not on finishing their "trilogy"...

Yeah, cause who needs a well told story.

If only movies like Return of the Jedi, Toy Story 3, or The Dark Knight Rises followed suit.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Bryan Singer and Co don't see restrictions they see story opportunities

i am pretty sure apocalypse will be defeated at the end, if they wanted the OT to fight him then they would have saved this story and maybe just used this one to set it up, maybe with Mr sinister, rather then do it with this one set 30 years earlier

it will likely be a new villain after this

Why, The X-Men have defeated Magneto every movie, and then he has come back in the next one. Them beating Apocalypse could just be about them foiling his plans, not actually killing him, as none of them except Pheonix should be capable.

Just me, but I don't see Apocalypse being a one and done villain. I can easily see him being defeated during this film; then perhaps coming back a featured as the main villain again in a film taking place after the future events of DOFP.

Same here, he is the most powerful mutant, and as I said Magneto has come back time and time again, no reason Apoc cant after one movie.

 

[Cherry]

I think some of you need to come to the realization that some things are over.

But the point is that the next "trilogy" is likely to be all about this new cast, with some of the First Class cast continuing in their roles. That means, again sorry to say, that the OT cast is not likely.

Also, with the age of some of the main OT X-Men actors/actresses, the liklihood that we'll see them in a movie that films in 6 or 9 years, if not in 12 years, is about 0%.

Sorry, but you are making way too many assumptions. Everyone said the OT cast was definitely done after X3 and look what happened. No one, and I mean NO ONE, could have known DOFP was coming 8 years later.

None of the filmmakers or studio heads have definitively stated what the direction will be going forward, so you have no way of knowing. In fact, many of the producers and Singer have said it is very possible the OT cast can come back. It just irks me when people say definitive stuff like "The chances of them coming back in ___ years are 0%." There is certainly a chance; we just don't know how much of a chance. And can we please get off this crap that the OT cast is old? Even in 6-9 years, most of them will be just fine. Lol. Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen are the only ones to wonder about. But if the movie happens, I doubt Fox would wait another 6-9 years anyway. Besides, wasn't Christopher Lee in his 80s when he did Lord of the Rings? Patrick and Ian have consistent work, which keeps them young(ish).

 

[SuperT]

Who is going to want the original cast in another 6-9 years? I mean, I'm sorry god love them and I'm grateful for the movies we got with them but at some point you have to move on and say goodbye. For the sake of preserving and moving the franchise along and keeping it fresh and relevant for today's audience.

This franchise needed a boost of fresh talent, it started that with First Class and got a bigger dose with DOFP, now with the addition of younger Cykes, Jean and Storm in Apocalypse it's set to fully revitalize it.

 

[Mr.M]

Sorry, but you are making way too many assumptions. Everyone said the OT cast was definitely done after X3 and look what happened. No one, and I mean NO ONE, could have known DOFP was coming 8 years later.

None of the filmmakers or studio heads have definitively stated what the direction will be going forward, so you have no way of knowing. In fact, many of the producers and Singer have said it is very possible the OT cast can come back. It just irks me when people say definitive stuff like "The chances of them coming back in ___ years are 0%." There is certainly a chance; we just don't know how much of a chance. And can we please get off this crap that the OT cast is old? Even in 6-9 years, most of them will be just fine. Lol. Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen are the only ones to wonder about. But if the movie happens, I doubt Fox would wait another 6-9 years anyway. Besides, wasn't Christopher Lee in his 80s when he did Lord of the Rings? Patrick and Ian have consistent work, which keeps them young(ish).

They had to jump start the franchise. That's the only reason the OT returned. It was a brilliant decision, but honestly, it was a gimmick. Fox was desperate and they payed top dollar to get them back. It was a good decision, but it's not sustainable to keep bringing them back. Let's not make it more than it was.

 

[Cherry]

Who is going to want the original cast in another 6-9 years? I mean, I'm sorry god love them and I'm grateful for the movies we got with them but at some point you have to move on and say goodbye. For the sake of preserving and moving the franchise along and keeping it fresh and relevant for today's audience.

This franchise needed a boost of fresh talent, it started that with First Class and got a bigger dose with DOFP, now with the addition of younger Cykes, Jean and Storm in Apocalypse it's set to fully revitalize it.

They had to jump start the franchise. That's the only reason the OT returned. It was a brilliant decision, but honestly, it was a gimmick. Fox was desperate and they payed top dollar to get them back. It was a good decision, but it's not sustainable to keep bringing them back. Let's not make it more than it was.

I love how some of you seem to have attended the internal Fox meetings for these movies, since you have such absolute insight into what their plans/motivations are. Judging by audience response and even the posts on this forum, clearly there is still interest. The point I am trying to make is that you guys need to stop saying your opinions as if they are fact. "That's the only reason the OT returned."… "Fox was desperate"…"Let's not make it more than it was." Give me a break.

I think it's pretty clear that I personally want the OT back and a few of you don't; that's fine. But we don't KNOW what is being planned and the exact reasons behind these decisions. Could you be right? Absolutely you could. But that doesn't mean you are.

For example, there was a time when everyone "knew" the X-Men Origins Wolverine "sequel" was going to be another prequel. Look how that turned out. Everyone "knew" X3 was the last OT movie. Everyone "knew" First Class was going to include young Cyclops, Storm, and Jean. Then everyone "knew" that young Cyclops, Storm, and Jean would play a role in the sequel to First Class. Heck, everyone "knew" the First Class sequel was going to be a straight-up sequel. These all seemed obvious at the time(s), didn't they? People claim their opinions/assumptions as obvious facts all the time around here, only to end up being wrong. Who knows -- some of you might be wrong again? Only time will tell.

By the way, I'm making a general statement, not trying to single anyone out in particular. I don't remember who said what years ago about each of the movies.

EDIT: Sorry if this is too strongly worded. I get very passionate about this issue.

 

[Super Jim]

^ I think it is possible to use what we do know to generate some very logical conclusions. Are they 100% true? Maybe, maybe not, but they can be based on straight out logic (I try to be boldly logical).

For example:

1. It is very logical that they will not have a second time travel movie directly after DoFP. Does anyone want to argue this logic?

2. It is very logical that this movie will be focused on the First Class cast since it is set in 1983. If the movie is set in 1983, and is likely (based on logic) to not have time travel elements, then the appearance of the OT cast in, at best, unlikely.

3. There will likely not be anough time to focus on the OT cast since most of the focus will, again logically, be on the First Class characters of Xavier, Magneto, Beast and Mystique. And of course, Apocalypse, and hopefully Storm, Jean and Scott.

Now, is it possible that Apocalypse could come back? Of course it is, it's pretty much his comic book MO. But:

4. It is very logical that they will NOT have two Apocalypse movies back-to-back (unles this is turned into a two parter). If this movie was a two parter, then Age of Apocalypse would probably be the better story. Again, the focus is the First Class characters, so that's where our time will be spent, which logically means, it won't be a two parter with the second part in the future (OT).

Now it gets difficult. Once Apocalypse is done a lot will be up in the air. Will Lawrence be willing to come back? Will jackman (beyind his Wolverine 3)? Will McAvoy and Fassbender or Hoult? But:

5. Can you agree that a good portion of the audience would love to see Storm, Jean and Scott (the big three) when they were young and first brought to the school? Wouldn't it be in the interest of the studio to continue with that story, post Apocalypse?

6. Yes, some of the OT cast are agining out. Be honest with yourself on this. If an OT movie did happen it wouldn't be next year, or the year after, or the year after that. It's more than likely (unless they do an FF cross-over) that a non-time travel OT movie wouldn't happen for 6 to 9 years, which means some of the main actors would be aged out, and even some of the ones that could still be possible would be less than ideal.

Mind you, we could see some of the OT cast in an FF cross-over, or if they make an Excalibur movie, or in a movie with Cable. Personally, I would love to see a movie about Nathan Summers with PT cast Cyclops and Jean, but of all of the stories out there, this one is less likely than many others.

Again, it's not that I don't like the OT cast, cause (for the most part) I do, it's just that the big $ is in the past with McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence and these new, young (expected) versions of Jean, Scott and Ororo. Guess I've just accepted it!

 

[GuestStar2004]

Why, The X-Men have defeated Magneto every movie, and then he has come back in the next one. Them beating Apocalypse could just be about them foiling his plans, not actually killing him, as none of them except Pheonix should be capable.
.

magnetos relationship with xavier is what keeps him coming back, strikers involvement with wolverine is what keeps him coming back

Apocalypse should be the villain who wants to destroy the world, maybe the toughest villain yet so while you could say well that gives him more reason to keep coming back it also gives him a reason to need to be put down for good and not be treated like a returning start iver every film +villain, same as the sentinels they served their purpose and you can't really repeat that again

and wasn't it magneto defeat him in AOA? i might be wrong

 

[GuestStar2004]

I think it's pretty clear that I personally want the OT back and a few of you don't; that's fine. But we don't KNOW what is being planned and the exact reasons behind these decisions. Could you be right? Absolutely you could. But that doesn't mean you are.

thing is FOX could have had an X4 at anytime since 2006 and for whatever reason they haven't wanted too, i know many had it in mind that FOX just didn't know how much people liked the OT Cast and that bringing them back for DOFP would open there eyes but come on FOX ain't stupid, if anything they are trying to eat around the middle of the OT as much as possible

 

[marvelrobbins]

The Closest the franchise got to being as popular as Trilogy days was return of Bryan Singer as director and return of Original cast.

While DOFP IS top film WW In franchise consider the adjusted for Inflation domestic gross of trilogy including terrable Last Stand

X-Men-236 Million
X2-289 Million
Last Stand-290 Million


Now with them kind of rebooting with time travel My natural instinct Is to think they are phasing out original cast but Cherry Is right.

Hugh Jackman will have a featured role In APocalypse and after that carry another wolverine solo film.

My unpopular oporion Is with exception of Michael Fassbender the FC cast doesn't match the impact and work of OT cast.I might change my mind after seeing Apocalypse.

There Is no telling if seeing new younger actors as Cyclops,Jean,and Storm will make up for loss of OT cast save for Jackman.Especilly If they are only
supporting roles.

It's hard to know what exactly Is planned for future when there are still plenty of unknowns about APocalypse.

 

[marvelrobbins]

^ I think it is possible to use what we do know to generate some very logical conclusions. Are they 100% true? Maybe, maybe not, but they can be based on straight out logic (I try to be boldly logical).

For example:

1. It is very logical that they will not have a second time travel movie directly after DoFP. Does anyone want to argue this logic?

2. It is very logical that this movie will be focused on the First Class cast since it is set in 1983. If the movie is set in 1983, and is likely (based on logic) to not have time travel elements, then the appearance of the OT cast in, at best, unlikely.

3. There will likely not be anough time to focus on the OT cast since most of the focus will, again logically, be on the First Class characters of Xavier, Magneto, Beast and Mystique. And of course, Apocalypse, and hopefully Storm, Jean and Scott.

Now, is it possible that Apocalypse could come back? Of course it is, it's pretty much his comic book MO. But:

4. It is very logical that they will NOT have two Apocalypse movies back-to-back (unles this is turned into a two parter). If this movie was a two parter, then Age of Apocalypse would probably be the better story. Again, the focus is the First Class characters, so that's where our time will be spent, which logically means, it won't be a two parter with the second part in the future (OT).

Now it gets difficult. Once Apocalypse is done a lot will be up in the air. Will Lawrence be willing to come back? Will jackman (beyind his Wolverine 3)? Will McAvoy and Fassbender or Hoult? But:

5. Can you agree that a good portion of the audience would love to see Storm, Jean and Scott (the big three) when they were young and first brought to the school? Wouldn't it be in the interest of the studio to continue with that story, post Apocalypse?

6. Yes, some of the OT cast are agining out. Be honest with yourself on this. If an OT movie did happen it wouldn't be next year, or the year after, or the year after that. It's more than likely (unless they do an FF cross-over) that a non-time travel OT movie wouldn't happen for 6 to 9 years, which means some of the main actors would be aged out, and even some of the ones that could still be possible would be less than ideal.

Mind you, we could see some of the OT cast in an FF cross-over, or if they make an Excalibur movie, or in a movie with Cable. Personally, I would love to see a movie about Nathan Summers with PT cast Cyclops and Jean, but of all of the stories out there, this one is less likely than many others.

Again, it's not that I don't like the OT cast, cause (for the most part) I do, it's just that the big $ is in the past with McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence and these new, young (expected) versions of Jean, Scott and Ororo. Guess I've just accepted it!

Wolverine will get some focus too.Fox Isn't going to pay Hugh Jackman not to take advantage of him.

X-Men:Apocalypse may kill the X-Force film.Rob Liefeld has said plans for X-force changed when Apocalypse was announced.What's cable main mission?
Stop APocalypse's rise.

If FF Is disaster there goes X-Men/FF crossover.And what makes you think any other teams are getting films?Deadpool and Gambit getting solo films doesn't mean every other team IS getting a film.

 

[SuperT]

My unpopular oporion Is with exception of Michael Fassbender the FC cast doesn't match the impact and work of OT cast.I might change my mind after seeing Apocalypse.

Sorry but Jennifer Lawrence's involvement just on her own trumps the OT cast. Jackman, Fassbender and McAvoy being involved are just added bonuses that pump up the offering.

When you have 60%-some people saying they're purchasing tickets because Lawrence is in the movie (per Fandango) that's freakin' huge. I can only imagine that'll get even bigger once Mockingly Part 1 has come and gone.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Sorry but Jennifer Lawrence's involvement just on her own trumps the OT cast. Jackman, Fassbender and McAvoy being involved are just added bonuses that pump up the offering.

When you have 60%-some people saying they're purchasing tickets because Lawrence is in the movie (per Fandango) that's freakin' huge. I can only imagine that'll get even bigger once Mockingly Part 1 has come and gone.

I disagree with that.Plus I don't take fandango's poll seriously since they overestimated the ticket sales of DOFP.

Hungar games Is not successful because of her it's popularity of books and the films being well made.

 

[JP]

Really hope we hear something before December. Whether it's a casting announcement or just a rumored shortlist. Yeesh.

 

[marvelrobbins]

They will be information when they want to release something.

It's possable the trades may leak something first.Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry were
both leaked on trades before bryan Singer made his announcements on twitter.

But I am sure before long we will hear something.Casting is underway and before long a twitter announcement is possable if they are copying the DOFP schedule.

 

[Mr.M]

I think Apocalypse should have been the two parter. I wouldn't have bothered looking for young actors for Jean/Storm/Scott unless those characters are actively involved in the past timeline. Really, it could have been a three timeline film featuring Cable traveling to multiple timelines. OT could have been featured but they didn't necessarily have to be front and center. Since the FC cast is so big in terms of name brand, I would have focused on Cable traveling to the past to warn the X-Men of Apocalypse. Obviously I can see that being a complete rehash of DoFP, but they didn't necessarily have to end that film the way they did. Had they ended it like TAS, they could have made Apocalypse a 2 parter with the OT. Singer had Apocalypse in mind before DoFP. That's what should have happened, but my guess is Fox did not have the confidence or budget to do that.

 

[The Guard]

Sorry but Jennifer Lawrence's involvement just on her own trumps the OT cast. Jackman, Fassbender and McAvoy being involved are just added bonuses that pump up the offering.

In terms of box office, perhaps.

In terms of actual acting and quality of work? Not by a long shot.

Jennifer has done some of her less impressive work in this franchise.

 

[Cherry]

1. It is very logical that they will not have a second time travel movie directly after DoFP. Does anyone want to argue this logic?

2. It is very logical that this movie will be focused on the First Class cast since it is set in 1983. If the movie is set in 1983, and is likely (based on logic) to not have time travel elements, then the appearance of the OT cast in, at best, unlikely.

3. There will likely not be anough time to focus on the OT cast since most of the focus will, again logically, be on the First Class characters of Xavier, Magneto, Beast and Mystique. And of course, Apocalypse, and hopefully Storm, Jean and Scott.

Now, is it possible that Apocalypse could come back? Of course it is, it's pretty much his comic book MO. But:

4. It is very logical that they will NOT have two Apocalypse movies back-to-back (unles this is turned into a two parter). If this movie was a two parter, then Age of Apocalypse would probably be the better story. Again, the focus is the First Class characters, so that's where our time will be spent, which logically means, it won't be a two parter with the second part in the future (OT).

Now it gets difficult. Once Apocalypse is done a lot will be up in the air. Will Lawrence be willing to come back? Will jackman (beyind his Wolverine 3)? Will McAvoy and Fassbender or Hoult? But:

5. Can you agree that a good portion of the audience would love to see Storm, Jean and Scott (the big three) when they were young and first brought to the school? Wouldn't it be in the interest of the studio to continue with that story, post Apocalypse?

6. Yes, some of the OT cast are agining out. Be honest with yourself on this. If an OT movie did happen it wouldn't be next year, or the year after, or the year after that. It's more than likely (unless they do an FF cross-over) that a non-time travel OT movie wouldn't happen for 6 to 9 years, which means some of the main actors would be aged out, and even some of the ones that could still be possible would be less than ideal.

Okay, I'll answer each of these.

1. For the foreseeable future, yes, I agree.

2. The OT might have cameos. But not starring roles -- you're correct.

3. Agreed. No issues with any of that.

4. This is where you lose me. I can agree as far as the OT cast not being a major part in Apocalypse, if at all. But beyond that, everything is a guess. Nothing more. I don't see how Apocalypse showing up in the 80's negates another appearance in the present/future. He might show up again and it might be against the FC cast exclusively, the OT cast exclusively, or another (however unlikely) time travel adventure. Kitty would still have her powers, I'd imagine.

5. I would like to see Cyclops, Storm, and Jean younger and older. Using your hard logic, though, would there be any real drama in the past if we already know that everything ends happily with the main cast alive and well? I think the audience would like both sets of movies, but IMO the real drama/suspense would be in the future.

6. No, no, and no. We have no idea when the next OT movie could be. 6+ years is a complete guess. It could be the 2018 movie that is slated. But even in 6+ years, I fail to see how any of them, save for Patrick and Ian, are too old. Is there a youth perception that only 20/30 year olds can perform? Even in their 30s/40s/50s, all of the actors should be just fine. Robert Downey, Jr is 49 and still slated to appear as Iron Man through 2019. Even outside of the Iron Man armor, he has stunts -- Is he too unbelievable as a hero because he is pushing 50? Does anyone want to try to convince me that he couldn't kick my ass in real life? My God, Sylvester Stallone is 68, and I wouldn't dare insult his mother. Ben Affleck is just starting his career as Batman, and he's 42. You know WB is probably planning to use him for the next 10+ years. That's my guess, anyway.

Heck, Cyclops's optic blasts, Storm's elemental powers, Jean's telekinesis already make them more effective heroes, plus those actors are still in great shape. Rogue, Colossus, Kitty, Iceman… all still very young. Maybe Kesley Grammer as Beast is pushing it, I'll give you that. So Beast, Xavier, and Magneto would have limited to no stunts, and the action could focus on Cyclops, Storm, Jean, Rogue, Colossus, Kitty, Iceman, and… ugh, Wolverine again. I can live with that. Oh, and the Wolverine age issue would apply to either timeline since it appears Hugh Jackman will be involved no matter what. Is Fox ready to get rid of his ripped physique because he's *gasp* 46?

 

[magneto23]

My unpopular oporion Is with exception of Michael Fassbender the FC cast doesn't match the impact and work of OT cast.I might change my mind after seeing Apocalypse.

I thought McAvoy owned DOFP. At the very least matched, if not exceeded, anything Stewart ever did as far as " impact and work" are concerned.

There Is no telling if seeing new younger actors as Cyclops,Jean,and Storm will make up for loss of OT cast save for Jackman.Especilly If they are only supporting roles.

Its not like any of the OT, save for Jackman, did much of anything anyways.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I thought McAvoy owned DOFP. At the very least matched, if not exceeded, anything Stewart ever did as far as " impact and work" are concerned.

Its not like any of the OT, save for Jackman, did much of anything anyways.

Stewart Is like the Xavier from comics brought to life on screenMcavoy no matter how good a actor he is Isn't In Stewart's league

from all the hell some gives Fox with X-Men films Mcavoy has really played
Xavier as iconic as STewart has.We don't know if Mcavoy will play Xavier
bald In Apocalypse by shaving head or bald cap.

DOFP was heavily promated as blending of 2 casts so original cast was a factor In film Success.

 

[psylockolussus]

Sorry, but you are making way too many assumptions. Everyone said the OT cast was definitely done after X3 and look what happened. No one, and I mean NO ONE, could have known DOFP was coming 8 years later.

Agreed, also back in 2011, no one thought the Ot cast would ever show up in the First Class sequel.

 

[magneto23]

Stewart Is like the Xavier from comics brought to life on screenMcavoy no matter how good a actor he is Isn't In Stewart's league

Acting and character appearance aside. IMO McAvoy has made more of an "impact" with his character than Stewart's version. Stewart's Xavier was never as central or in the forefront like McAvoy's.

 

[SuperT]

Acting and character appearance aside. IMO McAvoy has made more of an "impact" with his character than Stewart's version. Stewart's Xavier was never as central or in the forefront like McAvoy's.

I would tend to agree with this, was never engrossed with Magneto and Xavier in the original three movies as I am now. Then again, they weren't given as much material in the original trilogy as McAvoy and Fassbender have received in First Class and DOFP.

Fassbender and McAvoy carried those two movies singlehandedly.