Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - Part 2

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Exactly, she was never put in a starring role like Mystique is now, she was there for Wolverine to react to.
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If Cyclop was the lead, she would have been there for him to react to ?
X1/X2 set up differents things for the Phoenix Saga and it was a good story for Jean (Cerebro in X1 and her powers in X2).
There were no connection with Wolverine here it was just Jean and her power.

For the OC, i don't think people except a new trilogy with them but says they are done is premature because OC are still in the same continuity .
It isn't like Spiderman reboot or Batman reboot but more like Stars Wars or Stars Trek.
If Fox wants to use them again they have lot of option (time travel, one movie, crossover). The age is only issue for McKellen and Stewart .

If we can have Leonard Nimoy and maybe William Shatner in Star Trek 3, don't rule out James Marsden, Famke Janssen, Halle Berry soon .
 
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If Cyclop was the lead, she would have been there for him to react to ?
X1/X2 set up differents things for the Phoenix Saga and it was a good story for Jean (Cerebro in X1 and her powers in X2).
There were no connection with Wolverine here it was just Jean and her power.

most of jeans stuff was them exploring the attraction between her and logan

if you take out all the attraction stuff then you are left with basically just a couple of scenes like everyone else and the X2 ending where they made her the hero, it was wolverine got made her come back the wolverine and it was because of wolverines love struck surprise that gave her a better cameo in DOFP

while X3 was basically wolverine trying to save jeans soul

its like when people say X1 was about rogue... well rogue could easy have be seen as plot device when it was wolverine who really took the film, its him who we are introduced to the X-Men with, its him whose trying to protect rogue, its him who gets the cool action pieces while rogue got taken out the story quite alot.. she is rescued by the X-Men and next we see her she is a student, she runs away and then she gets taken by magneto

DOFP is probably the one that surprised many people because wolverine doesn't do that much at all, he is just kinda there to give guidence and isn't the one to save the day
 
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Okay, I'll answer each of these.

1. For the foreseeable future, yes, I agree.

2. The OT might have cameos. But not starring roles -- you're correct.

3. Agreed. No issues with any of that.

4. This is where you lose me. I can agree as far as the OT cast not being a major part in Apocalypse, if at all. But beyond that, everything is a guess. Nothing more. I don't see how Apocalypse showing up in the 80's negates another appearance in the present/future. He might show up again and it might be against the FC cast exclusively, the OT cast exclusively, or another (however unlikely) time travel adventure. Kitty would still have her powers, I'd imagine.

5. I would like to see Cyclops, Storm, and Jean younger and older. Using your hard logic, though, would there be any real drama in the past if we already know that everything ends happily with the main cast alive and well? I think the audience would like both sets of movies, but IMO the real drama/suspense would be in the future.

6. No, no, and no. We have no idea when the next OT movie could be. 6+ years is a complete guess. It could be the 2018 movie that is slated. But even in 6+ years, I fail to see how any of them, save for Patrick and Ian, are too old. Is there a youth perception that only 20/30 year olds can perform? Even in their 30s/40s/50s, all of the actors should be just fine. Robert Downey, Jr is 49 and still slated to appear as Iron Man through 2019. Even outside of the Iron Man armor, he has stunts -- Is he too unbelievable as a hero because he is pushing 50? Does anyone want to try to convince me that he couldn't kick my ass in real life? My God, Sylvester Stallone is 68, and I wouldn't dare insult his mother. Ben Affleck is just starting his career as Batman, and he's 42. You know WB is probably planning to use him for the next 10+ years. That's my guess, anyway.

Heck, Cyclops's optic blasts, Storm's elemental powers, Jean's telekinesis already make them more effective heroes, plus those actors are still in great shape. Rogue, Colossus, Kitty, Iceman… all still very young. Maybe Kesley Grammer as Beast is pushing it, I'll give you that. So Beast, Xavier, and Magneto would have limited to no stunts, and the action could focus on Cyclops, Storm, Jean, Rogue, Colossus, Kitty, Iceman, and… ugh, Wolverine again. I can live with that. Oh, and the Wolverine age issue would apply to either timeline since it appears Hugh Jackman will be involved no matter what. Is Fox ready to get rid of his ripped physique because he's *gasp* 46?

Ok,let me address each:

#4: I'm not saying that it isn't possible that they could re-use Apocalypse in a future movie 6, 9, 12 or even further down the road. Apocalypse is such a huge reacurring threat in the comics, I definitely could see him being brought back, and in many ways AOA is a perfect story to bring him back. But, AOA is another time travel movie (partially), so it's not being used (IMO) for this movie, nor for the next. But in the future, sure, would acrtually be a good move and could change everything, including the nicey, nicey 2023 future we saw.

But, what I am saying is that unless this Apocalypse movie was turned into a 2 parter (which it doesn't look like it will be) that the next X-Men movie in 3 years will not be, logically, another Apocalypse movie.

So again, I'm not discounting a future (6-36 years from now) Apocalypse movie, just saying the next one won't be Apocalypse, unless this is turned into a 2 parter, which doesn't appear to be the case.

#5: Sometimes it's not the destination, but the trip getting there that is more interesting. Just because we saw that everyone appeared to be happy in 2023 doesn't discount the excitement of what the young X-Men would have to endure. Their trials and tribulations will be worth experiencing, even if we "know" that the big three will make it to 2023. But think about it like this... Did we see Nightcrawler in 2023? How about Polaris, or Psylocke, or Dazzler, etc.? Nope, which means any other characters that they add to the X-Men in future movies, their future is uncertain. So if they do another "trilogy" (they seem to like those for some reason) with a focus on the young Scott, Jean and Storm; they will end up adding new characters along the way. A young Nightcrawler is something I very much want to see. And I've been arguing that they should do a younger brother of Cyclops named Havok (named after their Uncle), and bring in Polaris (Havok's girlfriend), etc. There are many good options which could add to the team.

#6: First, I'm glad you agree with me about McKellan, Stewart and Grammer. To me, an OT X-Men movie without Professor X (or just as a minimised part) would be strange (not including other spin-off teams). But my main point, beyond these couple of actors agining out, is that the likely focus of future X-Men will be this new young cast. Sure, a lot hinges on what happens with Jackman, Lawrence, Fassbender, Hoult and McAvoy; but more than likely at least some will be willing to continue in another "trilogy" (again, they sure seem to like those). Even DoFP, which included the OT cast, was part of the First CLass of character's trilogy. And again, time travel movies are a bit tough since DoFP. It is possible they could do another in the future, but by then it might be best to just continue on with the current, new cast.

You talk about the powers of the big three, but they will be able to use those powers in any movie that uses the young X-Men, so why go back to the OT?

My main point is that many want to see a young Storm, Jean and Scott. You yourself agreed to this. Once we have them, wouldn't we (and Fox) want to continue with them? Especially if they could continue to use some of the current First Class cast ($)? The hope is that as these new, young actors and actresses age so will their characters, in a brand new trilogy (again, they sure seem to like those). And if (and I am speculating) they are doing a trilogy with the young big three, then that is where the stories will focus for the next decade plus.

Also, again, personally I would love to see some of the OT cast used again. In fact, I'm the one promoting the concept of an Excalibur movie or tv series, using the OT cast, which would also include cameos from Charles, Scott and Jean along the way.

But truthfully, for the X-Men movies, I want to see them go with the big three, along with Nightcrawler, start with them young, slow up the time jumps between movies, add new, young characters, and tell many, many great stories between now and when they catch-up to the OT.

And by then these new, young actors and actresses would be of an age where they could play the 2004 Scott, Jean and Ororo; and that is when another time travel story that affects the future (Age of Apocalypse) would be perfect!!!!!

Also, I think most would agree that Fox is looking to expand the universe. But if you expand it in the OT then you will end up (assuming this expanded universe continues for many years, making them more $) losing certain staple characters. Recasting them doesn't make sense when you can use their younger versions just by staying focused in the past. If they stay with this new, young cast, they could have a movie every three years as follows:

2016: X-Men Apocalyse (in 1983)

2019: X-Men ? (in say, 1986)
2022: X-Men ? (in say, 1989)
2025: X-Men ? (in say, 1992)

2028: X-Men ? (in say, 1995)
2031: X-Men ? (in say, 1998)
2034: X-Men ? (in say, 2001)

2037: X-Men, Age of Apocalypse - Part 1 (in say, 2004)
2040: X-Men, Age of Apocalypse - Part 2
2043: X-Men, Age of Apocalypse - Part 3

That would actually be three trilogys, post this Apocalypse movie (and did I mention, they sure seem to love trilogies?).
 
The romance with Wolverine was big part of character but not all in X1/X2 .
Yes, the scene was small but very effective and important like Jean/Xavier and the Cerebro.

Xavier refuses her to use cerebro but she feel her power evolving.
When she used cerebro, her powers have evolved to Phoenix in X2 .
After X3,FC,DOFP, the scenes made even more sense .

- Xavier is protective and likes to control people (Mystique)
- He blocked her powers when Jean was young because she was too powerful
- He certainly knew Cerebro could destroy his psychic blocks

In retrospect, we learn a lot on Xavier/Jean relationship with those "small" scenes .
I can't wait to see how Xavier will be with Jean in X men Apocalypse .
 
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With high profile young actresses like Chloe Moretz and Elle Fanning under consideration to play Young jean and a fresh face under consideration for Young CYclops It's very possable jean will be the most proment character out of Cyclops,jean,and Storm In Apocalypse.
 
I like Chloe as an actress, but I just don't see her as Jean. If it is going to be one out of those contenders, Hailee Steinfeld would be my choice.
 
I knew Jeff would come through. YES.

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I'm all for Steinfeld.
 
I knew Jeff would come through. YES.

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I'm all for Steinfeld.

Steinfeld may be the one of the high profile ones most willing to sign multifilm
contract.

Rumor was reason marvel is taking so long to finalize choice for Dr Strange
Is multifilm deal.There are actors who aren't wild about committing to at least 3 films in advance.
 
Casting rumors!! Exciting times ahead!

I've been a Moretz supporter for a whole now, but Steinfeld would be good as well.

Having just seen Interstellar, I enjoyed Timothee Chalamet and could see him stepping into the role.
 
Honestly I'd be happy with any of them getting cast. They're all great choices. Don't know much about the potential Cyclops actors though.
 
On twitter those who broke story think Steinfeld is most likely choice for jean if they go with 1 of 3 mentioned in report.
 
I always knew they were casting this young, but it does bring up some questions now that it's coming to light... Considering the type of names they're going for, they'll want these guys around for a few movies. Means the story/films will be in the 80's/90's for awhile and in their youth. I would prefer if they aged them (similarly to how they've done with First Class-DOFP-Apocalypse) every decade.

I mean, it helps to appeal to the younger ones moving forward, but still... I want to see Cyclops as Cyclops eventually (well, soon).
 
Chloe Moretz would be great.
 
I like Chloe as an actress, but I just don't see her as Jean.

Agreed. I like that we're finally getting casting news, but I'm not sure about some of these choices. Though, I guess it's safe to say that, if they're considering the likes of Moretz, Steinfeld, and Fanning for Jean Grey, the younger versions of these characters won't just be making an appearance at the end of the film like some thought.
 
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I'd go in in this order for Jean Grey: Steinfeld, Moretz and Fanning.
 
I think Steinfeld would be a very smart choice. She's about to blow up with Pitch Perfect 2 coming out next year.
 
Steinfeld and Chalamet get my vote from the 6 choices.

I really liked Timothee from Homeland! Plus he's a lil hottie. :) (actually he's 6'1" so not quite little)
 
Chloe Moretz is my favorite of the three, though I think Steinfeld might fit the role a bit better. That being said, all three choices would work for me.
 
I'm not even going to front though. They need to cast according to a longer term plan in my opinion. Make sure the kids can act and that they don't end up looking like kids for the next ten years.

They could make a solid X-trilogy with these 3 (7 if you count Xavier/Mags/Beast/Mystique)

They just need to make sure the core team is up to snuff. And not make the same mistakes twice.
 
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