Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - Part 2

[Spider-Fan83]

A report says Quicksilver could be featured on TV show
http://www.filmdivider.com/5723/eve...antastic-four-and-x-men-big-screen-and-small/

not sure if that would be a step forward or a step backwards for the character

 

[HIA]

at Zarex, are u serious? Do you think Fox releasing Apocalypse, Deadpool, Wolverine 3, f4, the tv show, and plenty of more movies in the next years is going to hurt the X-Men fanbase?

wouldnt it be the opposite? lol

 

[Zarex]

at Zarex, are u serious? Do you think Fox releasing Apocalypse, Deadpool, Wolverine 3, f4, the tv show, and plenty of more movies in the next years is going to hurt the X-Men fanbase?

wouldnt it be the opposite? lol

I think fans of the X-Men franchise will continue to support these offerings, but will they be bringing in new fans? The two factors most cited for getting the X-Men franchise off the ground in the late 1990s were A) the arcade game and B) the animated series. It's questionable whether or not FOX will be able to grow the franchise if Marvel is ignoring it.

 

[marvelrobbins]

It's very unlikely based on all reports of any deal being made between Disney and Fox anytime soon.

With 746 Million ww with DOFP Fox isn't going to stop making X-Men projects anytime soon.Besides Apocalypse you have deadpool and Untitled Wolverine film.The TV show and whatever the 2018 film has.

If the FF reboot bombs,and that Is not certain till trailers come out and people's reactions are seen,Fox will scrap the sequel on schedule and likely sit on FF till their rights expire In 2022.

There Is also the Star Wars factor here.Come 2020 Fox loses home video rights to all of first 6 films except A New Hope.

No merchdize for X-men films,Marvel cancling the FF,and Chris Claremount saying writers have been told not to create new characters In X-Men titles.Plus no X-Men animated projects recently doesn't bode well for any deal being made.

The FF Is likely to be hurt more than X-men.DOFP did quite fine.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Ok scratch what I said.It now appears disney may have made some kind of deal with Fox to get the 6 previous Star Wars films Including A New Hope which Fox owns outright
http://www.filmdivider.com/5738/dis...-to-reissue-the-six-existing-star-wars-films/

That opens door for some kind of deal on X-Men and FF If deal can be reached on Star wars.Maybe that's how fox was able to move on devolping a X-Men
related TV show.

 

[Zarex]

Ok scratch what I said.It now appears disney may have made some kind of deal with Fox to get the 6 previous Star Wars films Including A New Hope which Fox owns outright
http://www.filmdivider.com/5738/dis...-to-reissue-the-six-existing-star-wars-films/

That opens door for some kind of deal on X-Men and FF If deal can be reached on Star wars.Maybe that's how fox was able to move on devolping a X-Men
related TV show.

Good catch. I thought an agreement must have been reached if FOX was moving ahead with an live action X-Men TV show, since as late as 2002 the rights were with Marvel (with FOX holding a lockout provision). It's in everybody's best interests if the two studios cooperate to some degree going forward.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

not sure if that would be a step forward or a step backwards for the character

Well the character struck a chord. Moving him to TV could allow him more screen-time without it taking the place of another in the movies

I think fans of the X-Men franchise will continue to support these offerings, but will they be bringing in new fans? The two factors most cited for getting the X-Men franchise off the ground in the late 1990s were A) the arcade game and B) the animated series. It's questionable whether or not FOX will be able to grow the franchise if Marvel is ignoring it.

That question was answered this year with it being the highest grossing and 1% shy of highest rated Marvel movie this year without a game or animated series or even toy line.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

Well the character struck a chord. Moving him to TV could allow him more screen-time without it taking the place of another in the movies

but, he showed enough potential to be a movie character, (I mean I don't know if he could carry a solo, or lead role in a movie yet) but, I think he would draw people in, even with just another appearance in a movie

an though we did just have the flash premiere, that showed that a speedster can be done on a tv budget, I think he's visually more suitable for a movie budget, the small screen may not do him justice

 

[Zarex]

That question was answered this year with it being the highest grossing and 1% shy of highest rated Marvel movie this year without a game or animated series or even toy line.

DOFP was a success, no question. But FOX spent a ton of money bringing back the beloved OT cast, signed Jackman to star and Singer to direct and still were not able to top XM:TLS's domestic take, despite nearly a decade's worth of increases in ticket prices and 3D surcharges. That's not growth (overseas, obviously, is a different matter).

 

[Herolee10]

I just had a thought. If the whole reason for why the sentinels were created was because the government felt like all mutants were a big threat, wouldn't they reactivate the whole program when apocalypse appears?

 

[xrs13]

Maybe, they could even look different and feature in the future films.

 

[Hamill-Joker]

not sure if that would be a step forward or a step backwards for the character

I think it would be a step forward. I believe Quicksilver wouldn't be ostracized from the movies just because he's featured on a TV show. After DOFP, he's a popular character and Fox will likely want to feature him on all platforms.

It would also be a step up on Marvel Studios' version of Quicksilver, TV would allow for more development for the Fox version.

 

[ciscostudent561]

I just had a thought. If the whole reason for why the sentinels were created was because the government felt like all mutants were a big threat, wouldn't they reactivate the whole program when apocalypse appears?

En Sabah Nur would make quick work of those sentinels. Mark X versions werent created until 2020.

 

[Smilodon]

I know Evan Peters does AHS, but could we get him to do another TV show? I feel like this would be way better suited for cable TV and we could get a higher budget for it and whatnot. Not that Fox wouldn't be capable of providing a quality show but yeah. As long as it's not a retread of Heroes. It might've been interesting if they could get it in on Netflix and whatnot, but I think Marvel's already got Fox beat there.

Still, if they used Quicksilver, then they might have to set it up in the past. I know some article possibly mentioned a female lead, perhaps Lorna? Or we could focus on Multiple Man like X-Force.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I know Evan Peters does AHS, but could we get him to do another TV show? I feel like this would be way better suited for cable TV and we could get a higher budget for it and whatnot. Not that Fox wouldn't be capable of providing a quality show but yeah. As long as it's not a retread of Heroes. It might've been interesting if they could get it in on Netflix and whatnot, but I think Marvel's already got Fox beat there.

Still, if they used Quicksilver, then they might have to set it up in the past. I know some article possibly mentioned a female lead, perhaps Lorna? Or we could focus on Multiple Man like X-Force.

If Beau Bridges, Allison Janney and Margo Martindale can do two shows at once, so can Evan Peters.

 

[SuperT]

Not that anyone is really surprised, but Kinberg pretty much confirms here that the original set of movies are wiped clean post-DOFP.

"I don’t know if you were born or were alive in 1973, but I was, and as far as I know, a stadium did not drop on the White House," Kinberg said, laughing. "All human history has changed after Days of Future Past, not just whether Jean or Scott lived or died. What that gives us, which is great fun, is we can also mess around with human history. We aren’t beholden to everything that happens in future X-Men movies being secret, because if you were to hold to the original X-Men movies, at the beginning of X-1, it’s really the first conversations about mutants in the world. But if in 1973 a stadium fell on the White House or in the 1980’s there was an apocalyptic event, conversations would have started much earlier."

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Days...-About-X-Men-World-Than-We-Thought-67606.html

 

[Rike]

Not that anyone is really surprised, but Kinberg pretty much confirms here that the original set of movies are wiped clean post-DOFP.



http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Days...-About-X-Men-World-Than-We-Thought-67606.html

Yeah, sure...

"We certainly re-write some of the history of [X-Men: The Last Stand] and [X-Men: Origins — Wolverine]. One of the things we talk about in Days of Future Past is that you can change the future, it’s like a stream that moves in one direction — you can create a new ripple in it, but you certainly don’t change the current. What we did in Days of Future Past changed some things, but like you see of the film, they end up back in the mansion in the future, so most of the current continued in the same direction, so most of the things you see in [the earlier films] still happened but with slight adjustments."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/simon-kinberg-explains-time-traveling-734716

 

[marvelrobbins]

It's hard to know.Look I am of the mind most of Non-FC films were erased of
the time travel In DOFP.Based on ending they could bring back original cast
we see when wolverine woke up again.

Now the question really will be In future films or the TV show do some things
move close to what happened In Non-FC films.

 

[magneto23]

Yeah, sure...


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/simon-kinberg-explains-time-traveling-734716

Its sure as hell a lot more than just "slight adjustments".

 

[ciscostudent561]

Its sure as hell a lot more than just "slight adjustments".

I know right.
Slight adjustments? Roflz..X3 disn't happen at all a bunch of people lived and Cable looks like he was born. Also the world didn't end in sentinel take over so yeah slight adjustments is like saying offensive lineman are slightly slower sprinters then Usain Bolt.

 

[Mr.M]

It's kinda contradictory from Simon, who's a spokesman and politician for Fox's CB properties. He has to appease Singer on the one hand by not completely dismissing his original two films, but he throws in "changes to all of human history" so that the franchise can pretty much go anywhere. We know however that nothing really happens the way we saw it in the OT. Apocalypse is a game changer and nothing in the OT will stand up after that hits; with the scope we all think it will have. You can argue that things still may happen similarly after DOFP, but it's still implausible, and after Apocalypse, the new history will manifest and nothing will remotely connect with the OT.

 

[def28]

Not that anyone is really surprised, but Kinberg pretty much confirms here that the original set of movies are wiped clean post-DOFP.



http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Days...-About-X-Men-World-Than-We-Thought-67606.html

Ya, all that stuff changes alot.

Human and Mutant history being changed as a result of the incidents in 1973 would alter X1's storyline like Kinberg was saying. I assume Weapon X will be quite different as well which also switches X2 up. Then there's X3, that definitely didn't go down the same. Lot was changed by the flick, no way around it.

Modern day Wolverine has alot to catch up on.

 

[marvelrobbins]

It's kinda contradictory from Simon, who's a spokesman and politician for Fox's CB properties. He has to appease Singer on the one hand by not completely dismissing his original two films, but he throws in "changes to all of human history" so that the franchise can pretty much go anywhere. We know however that nothing really happens the way we saw it in the OT. Apocalypse is a game changer and nothing in the OT will stand up after that hits; with the scope we all think it will have. You can argue that things still may happen similarly after DOFP, but it's still implausible, and after Apocalypse, the new history will manifest and nothing will remotely connect with the OT.

And while some disagreed with me i have been saying

1OFP was 'reboot' of X-Men through time travel
2:The non first Class films are basicly erased now Inless you want to count the revietnam parts of Origins opening montage and WWII flashbacks of the Wolverine.

Bryan SInger knew exactly what he was doing with DOFP.Those that saw the Kinberg draft prior to him taking over as director suggests he helped save the script by forcing better draft or bringing In others to work on It.Kinberg Isn't even the solo writer on Apocalypse.

Singer could have In Apocalypse some homages to his first 2 X-Men films In Apocalypse but X-Men and X2 are not of "Contunity" of series anymore.Kinberg can double talk all he wants but that doesn't change the facts.Now based on ending on DOFP they could if they choose use the OT cast seen In new future again but everything the audence has seen with them except for ending of DOFP didn't happen now except Hugh jackman's cameo In FC and him being with FC cast In DOFP.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

Except Wolverine remembers the OT

 

[Herolee10]

Except Wolverine remembers the OT

We definitely have a "Terminator" Paradox going around here, that's for sure.

The only way that this new timeline could have even existed is because of the events that took place from the events of the original timeline.

In any case, Kitty did say that regardless of what changes, or how much, that Wolverine would still be the only one that could retain the knowledge and experiences of the original timeline before the new one.

I actually feel bad for the "new" Wolverine that had been with Xavier and the X-Men in the new version of 2023 prior to the original Wolverine waking up in that body since that means that everything the "new" Logan did and who he was is no more.