Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 31

[SuperT]

Know what other filmmakers are creating. If you have 5 X-Men films in development for the next 3 years, you better know which characters are planning on being used and how they can/can't connect. Otherwise things get messy as we have seen time and time again with this franchise.

Bingo! Planning doesn't necessarily mean they have to have an entire movie slate setup for the next 15 years. There needs to be collaboration between directors and right now, it feels like the directors in this franchise are all off in their own little worlds.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Know what other filmmakers are creating. If you have 5 X-Men films in development for the next 3 years, you better know which characters are planning on being used and how they can/can't connect. Otherwise things get messy.

That's always going to be a question. Thor just lost Natalie Portman and perhaps even Jaimie Alexander because they have a new female love interest. These actors are never going to stay open indefinitely even if they know exactly when a film is coming. It is always a chance you take even with much planning when you have casts this large.

X-Men have been doing it longer than any other franchise in history [17yrs] so they've got to be doing something right.

 

[def28]

Bingo! Planning doesn't necessarily mean they have to have an entire movie slate setup for the next 15 years. There needs to be collaboration between directors and right now, it feels like the directors in this franchise are all off in their own little worlds.

Exactly, people keep thinking this means mimic Marvel in their grand scale sense, it doesn't. Just be on the same track as the other filmmakers making flicks within the X-Men universe. It won't work to its potential otherwise when they want to expand.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Kinberg is likely just the guy who has to make sense of this universe and timeline.

And any changes are likely Bryan and not Kinberg, kinberg is just the guy who has to say Yeah people are born early now so yeah dw it still all makes sense!

 

[jaymes_e06]

FIRE Kinberg, he's not doing well.

That has always been apparent. He's the biggest cancer Fox has to these films imo.

 

[kevork89]

Bryan likes to plan only a trilogy ahead that seems to be what he does. Which is all fine he built up X1 and X2 to get to the eventual third chapter and we know what happened there. FC well that was a semi reboot but then DoFP eventually led to Apocalypse. There is definitely plans in place but I don't think he likes to go too far ahead. Kind of appreciate that a bit because look how far ahead Marvel are into their thinking process and their planning when it comes to their movies. It's fantastic but it could also screw them up if one piece falls out of place. Sometimes you just need to go with the flow. Which has kind of always been the game plan at Fox. It hasn't worked all the time but I think they've found a routine that is right now. Like someone else said they've been doing this the longest and they're still in the game and are at an all time high now. They know not to go backwards. Hopefully lol.

 

[SuperT]

You people use Kinberg as a scapegoat and give him entirely way too much responsibility that has been evident isn't there. He's simply an EP for this franchise, so he's the mouth piece when it's time to speak to the media and go general PR.

It's been evident for a while he's not the person running the show. Y'all act like he's the boss.

 

[kevork89]

Kinberg is likely just the guy who has to make sense of this universe and timeline.

And any changes are likely Bryan and not Kinberg, kinberg is just the guy who has to say Yeah people are born early now so yeah dw it still all makes sense!

This ^ to be honest I don't even think he wrote much of Apocalypse. I think that's all Dan and Michael. Simon probably creates the story and what happens with Bryan but I don't think he is as involved as he makes it out to be lol.

 

[Smilodon]

I feel like if they introduce a Infinity Gauntlet/Civil War-like storyline, it'll snap the universe into focus. Kinberg mainly seems to be making sure that characters don't overlap, which is the most basic of continuity errors and acting as a liaison between the filmmakers and studio. But in terms of imposing a vision and direction onto the entire X-Men world, there doesn't really seem to be an individual doing that. That's fine and all, but they really do need someone to corral everyone a bit beyond just making sure characters don't contradict each other.

Having Miller/Reese/Wernick do that might be cool. But who knows if they're interested in doing stuff like that unless it involves Deadpool/X-Force. Unless of course, we do sorta veer X-Force centric down the line.

 

[jaymes_e06]

You people use Kinberg as a scapegoat and give him entirely way too much responsibility that has been evident isn't there. He's simply an EP for this franchise, so he's the mouth piece when it's time to speak to the media and go general PR.

It's been evident for a while he's not the person running the show. Y'all act like he's the boss.

How? I just think he's a terrible writer... if the director has to constantly rework your exposition you have failed as a writer. That's it. The only reason he ever works out is when a committee is involved. So that in and of itself means he serves little purpose. Why not give an actually gifted writer a chance like Michael Dougherty?

 

[henzINNIT]

As well regarded as it was, it was First Class that ruined continuity in my opinion. If First Class took place in the 80's as it was set up in Origins, we'd have had the characters we wanted in the first place, in a reasonable timeframe, with no need to hop ahead decades at a time to catch up.

From the age Charles/Erik met, to who built cerebro, to who were Charles' first students, to Emma Frost's age, there are a ton of trainwreck continuity woes caused by this film. I think most are happy enough to pick this over Origins and pick and choose our canon, but we never should have had to.

It all comes down to planning, and it faltered once Fox lost a creative mind to guide the ship. X1 and 2 built towards something. Funny that the franchise sunk as soon as Singer left and got back on track when he returned. A fair amount of damage was done in his absence though, and the past few years have felt like a lot of backpeddling.

 

[kevork89]

FC was where most of the continuity errors started. The main problem was Fox had crafted a reboot but still followed those characters somewhat to the start of their story and then added in a Wolverine and older Mystique cameo which mucked it all up. I loved the 60s setting but it did box them when it comes to timeframe. They're fixing it slowly

 

[GuestStar2004]

FC was certainly not structured as a reboot, it may have been the start of a new direction but the OT was always there in spirit

 

[JP]

@carlyjsteelhttps://***********/carlyjsteel/status/719919811153670144 on @20thcenturyfox lot w the brilliant @BryanSinger-cant wait for the best @XMenMovies yet! #XMenApocalypse @etnow






ET with Bryan today. Wonder when it'll air...

 

[GuestStar2004]

It all comes down to planning, and it faltered once Fox lost a creative mind to guide the ship. X1 and 2 built towards something. Funny that the franchise sunk as soon as Singer left and got back on track when he returned. A fair amount of damage was done in his absence though, and the past few years have felt like a lot of backpeddling.

it was actually Bryan who was responsible for FC being set in the 60s with Charles and eric meeting in their 20s, he admitted to wanting some info to be forgotten even though he wrote the line about them meeting at 17 in X1 in the first place

 

[Mad Ones]

Magneto not helping Xavier build Cerebro is probably the biggest continuity error since X2 depends on it. I'm not a huge FC fan but the continuity errors aren't really a factor for me.

 

[DACrowe]

As well regarded as it was, it was First Class that ruined continuity in my opinion. If First Class took place in the 80's as it was set up in Origins, we'd have had the characters we wanted in the first place, in a reasonable timeframe, with no need to hop ahead decades at a time to catch up.

From the age Charles/Erik met, to who built cerebro, to who were Charles' first students, to Emma Frost's age, there are a ton of trainwreck continuity woes caused by this film. I think most are happy enough to pick this over Origins and pick and choose our canon, but we never should have had to.

It all comes down to planning, and it faltered once Fox lost a creative mind to guide the ship. X1 and 2 built towards something. Funny that the franchise sunk as soon as Singer left and got back on track when he returned. A fair amount of damage was done in his absence though, and the past few years have felt like a lot of backpeddling.

Why? X-Men: First Class is a good movie, some would argue a great one (I certainly would). I would even go so far as to say its 1960s setting was used to much better and entertaining effect than Marvel did with the WWII window dressing in TFA.

No matter what though, it is a good movie. X-Men: Origins is a terrible one. That should answer your question.

I will never understand why some fans put so much stock and concern in continuity, literally sometimes at the expense of quality. Sure, First Class and Days of Future Past do not mesh perfectly together with the other seven films in the franchise, but if you like the movies it becomes ultimately moot in the end.

 

[Mad Ones]

I will never understand why some fans put so much stock and concern in continuity, literally sometimes at the expense of quality. Sure, First Class and Days of Future Past do not mesh perfectly together, but if you like the movies it becomes ultimately moot in the end.

real talk

 

[xrs13]

Eric could easily help xavier built it again in this film with upgrades and that line would be fine again.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Eric could easily help xavier built it again in this film with upgrades and that line would be fine again.

At this point it's abit late

 

[magneto23]

Eric could easily help xavier built it again in this film with upgrades and that line would be fine again.

Different timelines. Wouldn't be fine.

 

[xrs13]

in fact... It's a different timeline anyway so it doesn't matter

 

[Danbito]

Wait so, in the old timeline, Erik manages to escape from the prison in the Pentagon and just made up at some point with Charles? Only to break off from each other after Jean, Cyclops and presumably Ororo?

 

[kevork89]

Who knows really. Eventually he breaks out or mystique breaks him out like she did in X2. Charles also in DoFP was pushed to move past his issues by wolverine but I guess in the original timeline he would have taken a longer time to move on and start recruiting.

If we look at it like this.

Charles and Hank living in the mansion probably for years before they both decide to get up and move on. Eventually Magneto escapes/Mystique gets away from being captured too and they both go off and start doing their thing. Hank leaves and Cyclops, Jean and Storm are recruited by Professor X. No apocalypse, no nightcrawler until later on etc.

 

[Phoenix Egg]

Trolls wanted "comic accuracy" and now we might get Ye Olde Sliding Timescale . Lolol
I love it.

Anyway, this series is 15 years old and still has an actor or two that was there at the beginning. Sliding Timescale has been staring us blankly in the face since they made First Class with timestamps built into the story.

I'm excited about it. I don't want a lack of imagination or unwillingness to imagine to prevent our new young X-Men from teaming up with Colossus and Deadpool or whoever else Fox might want to introduce.

Also, "Garr! They're making it up as they go along!" posts are and will continue to be hilarious.