Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 31

[X-Maniac]

Phoenix trilogy:
Part 1: Space threat, Shi'ar, Phoenix saves the day.
Part 2: Hellfire Club (Mastermind and Selene), Phoenix destruction, resolved through telepathic blocks. Shi'ar return for Jean's trial/punishment as a cliff hanger.
Part 3: X-men vs. Imperial Guard.

That would be pretty faithful and I think it could work. I honestly don't think they'd go in this direction though. I'm open for different takes on the Phoenix.

btw I like Kodi's Nightcrawler.

I'm not sure i like the concept of mental blocks being used again.

The unused material from the alternative end of the Phoenix Saga in the comics - where the most powerful psychics in the galaxy gave Jean a sort of lobotomy - is interesting as a different take.

Or there might be some other new way of resolving it.

Maybe Singer will stick to his own unused X3/X4 ideas and have Jean's story end sort of happily with her flying off into space as a 'starchild'...

 

[Mad Ones]

I really dont see a reason why 2 and 3 need to be broken up into two films. Part 3 is literally one issue of the comic. A great issue at that but does that really need to be dragged out into its own 2 hour film? That battle can serve as the finale to Part 2. I dont think theres enough content to the battle on the moon to warrant it being its own film

Well I'm sure each film would have its own subplots to make sure other characters have things to do outside of Jean. But still you'd have the characters contemplate if they should fight for Jean, play up the tensions between Lilandra and Xavier, the main fight, the Phoenix flaring up again, the suicide, and some kind of wrap up. I mean this is an unlikely scenario for a set of films anyway.

DOFP wasn't very long in the comics either.

 

[Mad Ones]

I'm not sure i like the concept of mental blocks being used again.

The unused material from the alternative end of the Phoenix Saga in the comics - where the most powerful psychics in the galaxy gave Jean a sort of lobotomy - is interesting as a different take.

Or there might be some other new way of resolving it.

Maybe Singer will stick to his own unused X3/X4 ideas and have Jean's story end sort of happily with her flying off into space as a 'starchild'...

I agree with the psychic lobotomy. I just used blocks as a stand in for a more interesting resolution. Something revolving telepathy so we can see psychic battles, though.

I like Bryan's starchild idea.

 

[DACrowe]

Yeah those ideas were just purely my fan wishes. Your thoughts are definitely more sensible. Although the second movie in my plan would have a conclusion. Phoenix would seem under control through something like telepathic blocks or depowering. The ending would set up the conflict between the X-men and the Shi'ar. It wouldn't be a Desolation of Smaug cliffhanger, where nothing in the story was concluded. Worst ending ever btw.

I get that. If we are to nerd out, I am just excited how great the casting seems to be. I know some fans are upset at the age range of the new actors, but all of these kids will be in their mid 20s or older by the time they get to the second Phoenix film (save for little Lana Candor, which works for Jubilee!). And Tye Sheridan was great in Mud, Kodi Smit-McPhee was great in Slow West, and I have high hopes that Sophie Turner and Alexandra Shipp will nail it. If that's the case, we are finally getting the kind of X-Men movies I almost forgot I wanted all those years ago. Basically, this cast matched with the fun of First Class and the scope of Days of Future Past where almost any high concept thing can happen would be fantastic.

 

[fobi]

Missed a few pages. Is all this Phoenix talk all just speculation/wish lists or was there something substantial on that front?

 

[Mad Ones]

I get that. If we are to nerd out, I am just excited how great the casting seems to be. I know some fans are upset at the age range of the new actors, but all of these kids will be in their mid 20s or older by the time they get to the second Phoenix film (save for little Lana Candor, which works for Jubilee!). And Tye Sheridan was great in Mud, Kodi Smit-McPhee was great in Slow West, and I have high hopes that Sophie Turner and Alexandra Shipp will nail it. If that's the case, we are finally getting the kind of X-Men movies I almost forgot I wanted all those years ago. Basically, this cast matched with the fun of First Class and the scope of Days of Future Past where almost any high concept thing can happen would be fantastic.

True words. I love this cast too.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I'm not sure i like the concept of mental blocks being used again.

The unused material from the alternative end of the Phoenix Saga in the comics - where the most powerful psychics in the galaxy gave Jean a sort of lobotomy - is interesting as a different take.

Or there might be some other new way of resolving it.

Maybe Singer will stick to his own unused X3/X4 ideas and have Jean's story end sort of happily with her flying off into space as a 'starchild'...

Except SInger and fox to be different from marvel may want to kill off jean since her death is big reason why dark phoenix is remembered especilly since

Spoiler

marvel according to spoilers made civil war without captain America dying

with new actors having 3 film deals,although with alexandra shipp probally in new mutants they eather renegorate with her or have storm in only 1 film of next 2,they could do dark pheonix as 2 part film.Singer could easily involve proteus if they do include space adventre as part of earth bound part story
in second film.

 

[Mad Ones]

ugh damn I read that spoiler without thinking it would be about CW

 

[wampa1]

So did I!

>: (

Civil War spoiling by stealth.

 

[Smilodon]

Same. Ugh. Not the best way to post something like that for sure.

 

[magneto23]

Whenever they do the Phoenix saga it should leave out all the crystal stuff. That might be too much. It should definitely be two parts.

Part 1- Jean loses control, Mastermind and Hellfie take advantage, X-Men vs Hellfire, X-Men vs Phoenix, Xavier vs Phoenix psychic battle.

Part 2- Shi'ar shows up wanting to put her down, Xavier and Lilandra interactions, X-Men vs Imperial Guard, how they end it? Don't know. Difficult seeing how she's around in 2023 and we don't want her killed anyway. Phoenix force is expelled someway somehow. I don't know.

But at least one team move should precede this event. If not more. We need these young versions to develop. We need to see them interact and bond. That way all the emotional stakes will be earned.

 

[GuestStar2004]

And captain american and iron man kiss, oh sorry spoilers

 

[Havok83]

thanks for the warning. Spoilers for other films really shouldnt be here. At least this one was tagged unlike another one

 

[Sithborg]

Missed a few pages. Is all this Phoenix talk all just speculation/wish lists or was there something substantial on that front?

Depends on how much faith you put into Eh Maybe.

 

[YoungBlood]

Except SInger and fox to be different from marvel may want to kill off jean since her death is big reason why dark phoenix is remembered especilly since

Spoiler

marvel according to spoilers made civil war without captain America dying

with new actors having 3 film deals,although with alexandra shipp probally in new mutants they eather renegorate with her or have storm in only 1 film of next 2,they could do dark pheonix as 2 part film.Singer could easily involve proteus if they do include space adventre as part of earth bound part story
in second film.

Eh, I knew that spoiler was coming the minute CW was first announced, it was way too obvious.
Anyway, if they do Dark Phoenix again, please learn from the mistakes of X3

 

[DACrowe]

Depends on how much faith you put into Eh Maybe.

I put no faith in him. He clearly makes up at least half of his scoops. With that said, this is a guess based on good evidence. Singer has hinted cosmic stuff in Apocalypse and he has hinted at the Phoenix being buried in Jean. Turner has hinted talk about Phoenix. If you put two and two together, you get four.

The question really is how cosmic would they go with it and whether the next two films on the younger cast's contracts would be spent on doing this or will it be a one-and-done deal. I just like the idea of two standalone stories and in the first she becomes the Phoenix as part of the plot. The negative stuff would not happen until the one after that.

 

[jaymes_e06]

I'm not sure i like the concept of mental blocks being used again.

The unused material from the alternative end of the Phoenix Saga in the comics - where the most powerful psychics in the galaxy gave Jean a sort of lobotomy - is interesting as a different take.

Or there might be some other new way of resolving it.

Maybe Singer will stick to his own unused X3/X4 ideas and have Jean's story end sort of happily with her flying off into space as a 'starchild'...

I don't see why they can't do what they did in TAS and make her possessed by the Phoenix force have her destroy an uninhabited planet rather than an inhabited one and have her kill herself only to be revived by The Phoenix (now not corrupted by human emotions) takes a piece of each X-Men's "spark" bringing her back to life.

 

[Havok83]

that was cheesy and a copout to cater to a younger audience. The films are capable of handling more adult themes and shouldnt shy away from them

 

[Ruth Fisher]

It's 2016 and we're still waiting to see the true Phoenix Saga on the big screen.

 

[freshandclean]

I dislike the possession aspect. I think the power has to come inherently from Jean. The name and symbolism should be something she creates, not something outside of her, IMO.

I think the best way to handle TDPS is to have it be the finale of the next Trilogy, with the first 2 movies not specifically focused on Phoenix. The first film she could gain the Phoenix (similar to end of X2). The second film she's Phoenix but just a member of the X-Men with hints that it's getting out of her control. Proteus would be a good villain since he's powerful enough to go toe to toe with a Phoenix powered X-Men team. Then the third film is straight up DPS.

First Act: Seduction to Dark Phoenix
Second Act: Phoenix v X-Men
Third Act: Sacrifice of Jean

The trilogy, after the fact, could look like The Phoenix Saga without actually focusing on Jean for 3 films.

 

[Havok83]

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[Sithborg]

that was cheesy and a copout to cater to a younger audience. The films are capable of handling more adult themes and shouldnt shy away from them

At least it didn't forever taint Cyclops' character, like how they did it in the comics.

 

[freshandclean]

At least it didn't forever taint Cyclops' character, like how they did it in the comics.

How did it taint Cyclops' character in the comics?

 

[Sithborg]

The whole "run out on wife and son" part of that story wasn't exactly a shining moment for him.

 

[jaymes_e06]

^Agreed. They never even bother to say why he did such a thing.

that was cheesy and a copout to cater to a younger audience. The films are capable of handling more adult themes and shouldnt shy away from them

No it made more sense than the comics to kill a character off only to have her reappear in several different ways (Madelyn/Rachel/What If's) just to eventually bring her back anyway.t:

It was a cop out to bring back into the comics in so many ways after her "deaths" it made sense to say the Phoenix is its own entity rather than make it apart of her innately as it finished the story arc rather than letting it linger indefinitely.