Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 40

[Havok83]

Although I was pleased to see it happen, I am a little concerned and disappointed about the film unveiling Phoenix so early on. Again it appears that very little forethought was given to the franchise's future. By revealing her full potential so early it puts a cap or ceiling on what the films can really do next. Any villain they face is going to be likely less powerful than Apocalypse. But all they have to do now is put Jean in front of that challenge and have her vaporize it. Where will the struggle come from for the other X-Men? What incentive is there for them to really learn to work together as a team when all they have to do is turn to Jean and have her handle whatever cataclysmic issue faces them? I can see a codependence developing for these characters much in the same way that Wokverine was when he was around.

I would've preferred Jean to have a larger arc and struggle to figure out who she is and how to discover and then master her abilities. There's no build up or anticipation now.

Like I said, I was truly excited to see the Phoenix in its full glory. But where do they go from here?

Dark Phoenix in the next film, which will likely kill her off so it wont matter

Wow, people really think Cyclops got shafted again? Never mind the fact he's introduced as the main protagonist of all the new X-Men, has an entire scene where he leads the young team to save the old one, and an entire monologue on how his brother believed he'll accomplish way more than he did.

Mystique is just there for training. They spell it pretty clear that he'll be their field leader.

where are you getting that from? Its not somethign I think Ive read here.

Mystqiue's role is very reminiscent to Emma's in Generation X. She's the mentor of the teens.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

There was no build up in the OT either really, they probably just wanted to get to the point in apocalypse rather then beat around something the audience already knew was gonna happen sooner or later.

Fanboy audiences? Yes.

General audiences in my theater were a little confused by the appearance of the raptor. Like "oh cool...what was that?" Nothing is explained. And it's not like most people are going to remember the hint seen in Alkali lake 13 years ago in X2.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Dark Phoenix in the next film, which will likely kill her off so it wont matter

They won't kill her for a 3rd time.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Wow, people really think Cyclops got shafted again? Never mind the fact he's introduced as the main protagonist of all the new X-Men, has an entire scene where he leads the young team to save the old one, and an entire monologue on how his brother believed he'll accomplish way more than he did.

Mystique is just there for training. They spell it pretty clear that he'll be their field leader.

Huh what?

I have not seen that complaint-- quite the opposite actually. The only characters that I've seen being referred to in that manner are Storm and Jubilee.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Fanboy audiences? Yes.

General audiences in my theater were a little confused by the appearance of the raptor. Like "oh cool...what was that?" Nothing is explained. And it's not like most people are going to remember the hint seen in Alkali lake 13 years ago in X2.

Yeah but you get the best of both worlds in apocalypse, fanboys don't want to wait for anything and casual audiences will usually take what they are given aslong as its translates for them, apocalypse just shown jean is very powerful when she lets her powers go.

 

[Donner]

How could they possibly kill off Phoenix? Jean is alive and well at the end of DOFP.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Yeah but you get the best of both worlds in apocalypse, fanboys don't want to wait for anything and casual audiences will usually take what they are given aslong as its translates for them, apocalypse just shown jean is very powerful when she lets her powers go.

But that doesn't answer my question. Revealing her as Phoenix now puts a ceiling on this franchise in terms of the directions she can go in. It's hard to put a lid on that sort of power once is been unleashed so where do they go from here? The Phoenix is hands-down the single most powerful entity in the Marvel universe so no matter what challenges they face in the future it will seem as nothing compared to what she can do to it.

I just think they closed the door on some potentially great stories by revealing her full potential so early. And the character's arc may also may have been shortchanged as a result.

 

[sleekstereo]

The Slate (IMO):

March 3rd, 2017 - The Wolverine
October 6th, 2017 - Gambit
March 2nd, 2018 - New Mutants
June 29th, 2018 - Deadpool 2
2019 - X-Force and X-Men: Mutant Massacre
2020 - Gambit 2 and Star Jammers
2021 - Deadpool 3 and X:Men: Phoenix Saga Part One
2022 - X-Force 2 and X:Men: Phoenix Saga Part Two

 

[Hmarrs]

I thought he might have to Psylocke

That comment he made was in refrence to the Phynoix force.As in the Comic book it has been stated that the Phoenix force was all knowing of everything the Universe..Life death snd all of the Cosmos.Having said tht there is and can be a strong possiblity of his return..because the Phoenix force is aboit life death and regeneration...whether he had the Egyptian tech or not to connect to the Phoenix is irrelavant because tge Phoenix connected with him...as in Comics its been know to make Telekinics bonds and people as host..and as the Phoenix may have done this and is none to rise from death Apokolipse may return wth the Phonex as his host.

 

[Sithborg]

Saw it again. Still love it. That is all.

 

[ciscostudent561]

Saw it again. Still love it. That is all.

cant wait to go again

 

[Shikamaru]

Huh what?

I have not seen that complaint-- quite the opposite actually. The only characters that I've seen being referred to in that manner are Storm and Jubilee.

Someone on the last page said "Cyclops is supposed to be the leader." Yeah, except it's pretty blatant that's what they're setting up.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Was supposed to watch it a second time yesterday but my local theatre had a power outage... :/

 

[Mad Ones]

But that doesn't answer my question. Revealing her as Phoenix now puts a ceiling on this franchise in terms of the directions she can go in. It's hard to put a lid on that sort of power once is been unleashed so where do they go from here? The Phoenix is hands-down the single most powerful entity in the Marvel universe so no matter what challenges they face in the future it will seem as nothing compared to what she can do to it.

I just think they closed the door on some potentially great stories by revealing her full potential so early. And the character's arc may also may have been shortchanged as a result.

There were plenty of issues/stories in-between the Phoenix Saga and the Dark Phoenix Saga in Claremont's run. Jean's mind instinctively put a cap on her Phoenix powers, so her powers were unreliable and inconsistent for a while. The X-men (including Phoenix) fought Magneto and in the battle Beast and Jean were separated from the rest of the team and she thought they died. The Proteus stuff happened right before the Dark Phoenix Saga. Neither of those conflicts were solved by Phoenix.

 

[SAUspartan]

Was supposed to watch it a second time yesterday but my local theatre had a power outage... :/

Damn power outage hurting box office numbers.

 

[Zarex]

But that doesn't answer my question. Revealing her as Phoenix now puts a ceiling on this franchise in terms of the directions she can go in. It's hard to put a lid on that sort of power once is been unleashed so where do they go from here? The Phoenix is hands-down the single most powerful entity in the Marvel universe so no matter what challenges they face in the future it will seem as nothing compared to what she can do to it.

I just think they closed the door on some potentially great stories by revealing her full potential so early. And the character's arc may also may have been shortchanged as a result.

With full Phoenix, time stopping Pete, Storm, Scott and Kurt the new class is JL level powerful. FOX may need to ship the kids into space just to find a suitable opponent.

 

[kguillou]

I've been listening to some podcasts reviews for this from sites that I normally enjoy and I am just baffled by how "disappointed" everyone seems to be with this. I mean, look, Batman v Superman, I enjoyed it on a guilty pleasure way but I could absolutely see why it got the negative reaction it did. With this movie, I'm baffled. Like truly baffled. The podcasts I'm listening to all seem to dislike it and were disappointed by it, I just don't see why. A common theme seems to be people didn't like all of the plots that were juggled in the first half of the film, but, to me at least, it all came together nicely and in an emotional way in the end and even closed out threads from First Class and DoFP. This FELT like a proper conclusion to the First Class trilogy and also setting the stage fir the New Class.

This movie had fun characters, emotional weight, high stakes, great set pieces, an epic climax, a show stopping cameo which was almost worth the price of admission. I don't see what was so egregious that rubbed people so wrongly. This felt like a Brian Singer X-Men film where the characters are put first and foremost like X1, X2 and DoFP. This felt like the X-Men come to life from the comic book pages.

 

[eledoremassis02]

Perhaps it's Super hero exhaustion. I havent hear raving reviews for Avengers either?? Thats my guess

 

[kguillou]

Super hero exhaustion...3 weeks after they raved about Civil War? Nah, that cant be it. Maybe people are tiring of the X-Men?

 

[terry78]

Well, we got one more superhero flick Friday in TMNT. If that does better than this one, we know what's up.

 

[The Guard]

Jean Grey is known for her Phoenix powers, in the grand scheme of things.

Having those powers is a part of her character in the mythology. It's not like she didn't display her "Marvel Girl" powers prior to the Phoenix stuff showing up. It was just a taste of what she's capable of, and since her arc revolved around her being concerned about her powers (and others being concerned about her ability to control them), it makes sense to get a taste of it.

In the new franchise, I think we'll see filmmakers spend more time developing the idea of Jean with Phoenix powers, not just see them jump directly to Dark Phoenix. The issue moving forward will be struggling to control her powers. Except we'll actually get to see it VS being told about it a la X3.

 

[The Guard]

Super hero exhaustion...3 weeks after they raved about Civil War? Nah, that cant be it. Maybe people are tiring of the X-Men?

Or it's the lack of Wolverine as a central character.

FOX is probably preparing to drive a dump truck of money to Hugh Jackman's house.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Super hero exhaustion...3 weeks after they raved about Civil War? Nah, that cant be it. Maybe people are tiring of the X-Men?

Yah.

 

[DCnightwing23]

So I feel like the general consensus is that the scene we see at the end of DOFP w/ Wolverine and the original cast means that that is what these next few X-Men movies will lead to. In short, minor changes to the timeline.

However, I have always viewed it as the end of the original timeline (w/ the final Wolverine movie being a true close to THAT timeline) and the start of a new, altered timeline. Which imo was somewhat confirmed by the change to [BLACKOUT]Wolverine's[/BLACKOUT] escape in Apocalypse. Do any other's here feel the same way?

 

[The Guard]

It's been outright stated that they can do pretty much anything they want with the mythology, and that events in the future are fluid.

DAYS OF FUTURE PAST was all about how one or two actions can drastically change the course of events.