This quote from kinberg about wolverine certainly doesn't help the films case in creative thinking.
Simon kinberg on Wolverines role
"There was always a notion that we wanted Wolverine to be in the movie. We wanted to find a way to feature him in the film, partly because Bryan [Singer] and I love Hugh Jackman so much. We love the character, obviously, and he's such a huge part of the franchise. There were a lot of iterations of how Wolverine would enter and exit the movie. There was a version when he was going to come in at the midpoint of the film and be like the drill sergeant for the kids and take over as their leader. And we felt like that stepped on Jen's role in the movie and becoming their leader."
Cyclops is supposed to be the leader of the X-men. Not Wolverine or Mystique. FOX needs to stop disrespecting Cyclops once and for all and let him be the main player for a change.
Cyclops is supposed to be the leader of the X-men. Not Wolverine or Mystique. FOX needs to stop disrespecting Cyclops once and for all and let him be the main player for a change.
It makes sense for this movie that cyclops wouldn't be the leader and i'd rather he wasn't just the leader just because the comics say he should be because there really wouldn't be much to him at all if he has no character growth and it was just handed to him, it was one of the issues with X1 there was nothing to him.
Thing about wolverine being the field leader is it gives me X3 vibes, the only thing missing would be wolverine walking up to apocalypse as he pushes logan away burning his clothes off till logan gets the final take down ;p
It makes sense for this movie that cyclops wouldn't be the leader and i'd rather he wasn't just the leader just because the comics say he should be because there really wouldn't be much to him at all if he has no character growth and it was just handed to him, it was one of the issues with X1 there was nothing to him.
Thing about wolverine being the field leader is it gives me X3 vibes, the only thing missing would be wolverine walking up to apocalypse as he pushes logan away burning his clothes off till logan gets the final take down ;p
If Singer hadn't been around apocalypse would have been far worse with Kinberg writing it.That whole thing just screams Kinberg.
In context of film many of things they did work.
Xavier wasn't training students to be X-Men so a lot of what happened makes sense.even Mystique In leadership role works as well as her training the fully formed X-men at end.the suits work because there was no X-men till end
after they came together to save xavier and stop Apocalypse.
The advantage of having next film set in early 1990's is now Cyclops can
be leader and they have have excepernce.
Actually Cyclops showed a lot of leadership qualities. The whole alkali lake sequence was him calling the shots.
He's the one who got the group to the generator, he instructed Nightcrawler to get them on the chopper to begin with, he blasted the group out of the prison, led them to their exit, he found the plane to get them out and also found the suits for them to wear. Even though I didn't love the alkali sequence because it felt like another story within the movie which is the exact reason they cut Rogue out of DoFP. But I'm also glad we got it because it was the scenes that Cyclops led. Also he did a lot in the final battle. He and Beast were awesome. Loved their little bromance.
Still Logan apperance makes sense, he has always been linked to memories in the previous film and it is one the lead axis of XMA, even the all second trilogy is a bit of a memory. Having Jean giving him memory was the nice touch.Looks like shés good for calming guys withh red visions. So it was also nice way to link him to Scott.
Jean and Wolverine are both mutant that Xavier try to control in he first trilogy or wasn't completely honest. Jean give happy memory to Logan, Charles let go of control over Jean and give back memory to Moira. Moira discovered Apocalypse, Jean destroys him, both with the sun/fire power.
And it was a pleasure to see Weapon X shredd some blood.
Edit: in X2 nightcrawler was linked to the mutilation theme, through Stryker and His faith in Jesus, is tatoo. They are lote of re-using pattern in the X-Men movies. XMA is really not hidding it, i think they will change some of the formula. It's what the movie ends up too.
That made me ask myself if there wasn't some kind of "ring theory" construction through the movies, XMA ends upe where LS began, with the sentinels.
Actually Cyclops showed a lot of leadership qualities. The whole alkali lake sequence was him calling the shots.
He's the one who got the group to the generator, he instructed Nightcrawler to get them on the chopper to begin with, he blasted the group out of the prison, led them to their exit, he found the plane to get them out and also found the suits for them to wear. Even though I didn't love the alkali sequence because it felt like another story within the movie which is the exact reason they cut Rogue out of DoFP. But I'm also glad we got it because it was the scenes that Cyclops led. Also he did a lot in the final battle. He and Beast were awesome. Loved their little bromance.
I saw the movie with my date (almost bf �� on Saturday... When we got out into the lobby, we ran into my brother and all of his friends! It was pretty funny. We all enjoyed the movie, but not as much as DOFP or the Rogue Cut, which I find superior. The things we noted:
- all of us felt that there wasn't enough story build up in the first act of the film... Especially for the new teens. This is a big one for us. We all loved Jean, Cyclops, Nightcrawler... And even my bf and brother and his friends thought Jubilee was spot on, however, not in it enough.
- we all noted how several scenes in the beginning seemed cut out of the film. Specifically Nightcrawler coming to the mansion, Jubilee, and the mall. Seeing as the teens were our favorite characters, we simply wanted more of them and less of Mystique.
- we didn't like how Mystique was pretty much
everyone's hero!! To the point they mentioned it so many times!
.
- we loved Quicksilver in all of his scenes, but it was confusing how he knew the mansion was blowing up.
- we felt it was awkward that Moira
pretty much caused Apocalypse to arrive
.
-even though the last scene was cool, it was strange that Jean and Magneto
have the ingenuity to build a mansion. Plumbing? Electric? Structure?
.
-the music when cities were getting destroyed wasn't dark enough... Not a dark enough tone at times.
Aside from some of the minor gripes, the biggest issue we had was that the teens weren't given enough in the beginning. We liked the Alkali Lake part, even though it was a detour at times... And felt that the mall stuff should have been left in to help the teens bond, show off the 80s, give them some joy before everything went upside down, show Jubilee more, and not seem so choppy.
I'd say I liked it as much as X-men and also First Class. Not as good as X2 or DOFP.
Kinberg..... This guy never learn it seems
He made wolverine the leader in TLS and it didn't work out and he wanted to do it again? Don't make me laugh
Cyclops is supposed to be the leader of the X-men. Not Wolverine or Mystique. FOX needs to stop disrespecting Cyclops once and for all and let him be the main player for a change.
They are still young. they are teens.
In future movies he will become leader.
However he was already leader teenager in comics at the beginning (5 originals)
I want to see Marsden in present, in a Deadpool or X-force movie.
Lawrence is probally gone after apocalypse.while there are legitmate critism for her and i have done it myself she is stand in for the talking point of everything is about wolverine her role in actual film isn't dominating film.during climac battle
she basicly just was there ot talk to magneto and be grabbed by apocalypse to snap storm up to turn against apocalypse.the action in climax was done by the others not her.it's similar to X2 where wolverine was busy with his story while the others saved the prisoners and stopped tricked Xavier
and strong case can be made Jean is real female lead.she is one with the arc,and one we see devolping relationships with not mystique.and again as conclusion of first class trilogy this film was always going to focus heavily on Xavier,Magneto,and mystique even In DOFP more focus was on them than Wolverine.I was plesently surprised by how much Cyclops and jean got In Apocalypse.and with magneto he also may not return.they can spend money on film for next film instead of lawrence and fassbender salarys.If fox spends a whole lot of money on trying to get any actor back it would more likely be to try to get Hugh jackman back.although it may not work.
I was expecting a trainwreck and I came out really liking the movie. I don't really understand how it has a 48% on RT. I thought it felt like an X-Men movie, and the ending with the costume was awesome. This is one of the first times I really disagree with critics on a CBM movie and can't see where they're coming from at all.
Actually Cyclops showed a lot of leadership qualities. The whole alkali lake sequence was him calling the shots.
He's the one who got the group to the generator, he instructed Nightcrawler to get them on the chopper to begin with, he blasted the group out of the prison, led them to their exit, he found the plane to get them out and also found the suits for them to wear. Even though I didn't love the alkali sequence because it felt like another story within the movie which is the exact reason they cut Rogue out of DoFP. But I'm also glad we got it because it was the scenes that Cyclops led. Also he did a lot in the final battle. He and Beast were awesome. Loved their little bromance.
Although I was pleased to see it happen, I am a little concerned and disappointed about the film unveiling Phoenix so early on. Again it appears that very little forethought was given to the franchise's future. By revealing her full potential so early it puts a cap or ceiling on what the films can really do next. Any villain they face is going to be likely less powerful than Apocalypse. But all they have to do now is put Jean in front of that challenge and have her vaporize it. Where will the struggle come from for the other X-Men? What incentive is there for them to really learn to work together as a team when all they have to do is turn to Jean and have her handle whatever cataclysmic issue faces them? I can see a codependence developing for these characters much in the same way that Wokverine was when he was around.
I would've preferred Jean to have a larger arc and struggle to figure out who she is and how to discover and then master her abilities. There's no build up or anticipation now.
Like I said, I was truly excited to see the Phoenix in its full glory. But where do they go from here?
Wow, people really think Cyclops got shafted again? Never mind the fact he's introduced as the main protagonist of all the new X-Men, has an entire scene where he leads the young team to save the old one, and an entire monologue on how his brother believed he'll accomplish way more than he did.
Mystique is just there for training. They spell it pretty clear that he'll be their field leader.
I would've preferred Jean to have a larger arc and struggle to figure out who she is and how to discover and then master her abilities. There's no build up or anticipation now.
There was no build up in the OT either really, they probably just wanted to get to the point in apocalypse rather then beat around something the audience already knew was gonna happen sooner or later.
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on Saturday... When we got out into the lobby, we ran into my brother and all of his friends! It was pretty funny. We all enjoyed the movie, but not as much as DOFP or the Rogue Cut, which I find superior. The things we noted:
