Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 40

[kguillou]

I, too, think Spider-man 2 is the perfect comic book film. Few other movies touch me on a personal emotional level that Spidey 2 does and got the character so right. As good as I'm sure the Tom Holland movies will be, I doubt they will hit that same zenith as Spiderman 2.

 

[ciscostudent561]

I think Spider-Man 2 is the perfect comic book superhero movie. It's everything anyone ever wants from a superhero story.

ok
thats not my argument. I'm talkin from a cinematic technical view point, the components that matter in order to objectively analyze a stand out film, those are really the only 2 CMB's that do it.

Spider-Man 2 may be the ultimate movie that CmB fans want to see (i think thats way to general though, because you got the TDK gritty tone as well) but again that isn't my argument.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I think Spider-Man 2 is the perfect comic book superhero movie. It's everything anyone ever wants from a superhero story.

Minus the Tobey goofy faces, Bland Mary Jane, and the Villain sacrificing themselves at the end... sure. Everything else was great. But it's not perfect.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Spider-man 2 is probably the only comic book movie that at some point in the movie i looked away while a certain scene was going on and just couldn't look at what i was seeing on the screen without cringing.

I came out of that movie pretty gut wrenched with disappointment and i loved spider-man growing up.

 

[kguillou]

Spider-man 2 is probably the only comic book movie that at some point in the movie i looked away while a certain scene was going on and just couldn't look at what i was seeing on the screen without cringing.

I came out of that movie pretty gut wrenched with disappointment and i loved spider-man growing up.

Wow. Sorry to hear that man. Have you enjoyed any of the Spider-man movies?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Spider-man 2 is probably the only comic book movie that at some point in the movie i looked away while a certain scene was going on and just couldn't look at what i was seeing on the screen without cringing.

I came out of that movie pretty gut wrenched with disappointment and i loved spider-man growing up.

... are you sure you're not talking about Spider-Man 3? because that was my reaction to most of that film

 

[Sithborg]

Spider-man 2 is probably the only comic book movie that at some point in the movie i looked away while a certain scene was going on and just couldn't look at what i was seeing on the screen without cringing.

I came out of that movie pretty gut wrenched with disappointment and i loved spider-man growing up.

Let me guess, when Ock awakes in the hospital?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Let me guess, when Ock awakes in the hospital?

that's probably one of the best scenes in the film!

 

[marvelrobbins]

Civil War doesn't even make it to my five favorite comic book movies ever. If I was to rank them during this particular day it would be

TDK
The Avengers
Spider-Man 2
X-Men: DOFP
Guardians of the Galaxy

I love DOFP. And I really, really liked Apocalypse

5 favorate ones for me are

Superman
X2
The Dark Knight
DOFP
The Amazing Spider-man

for the record the rogue cut is my perfered version of DOFP.

some will say how can you love amazing SPider-man well i had very low expections going in but that film blew me away.it had a peter that compared to rami version seemed very smart.at times the rami peter didn't seem that smart to me.it had mechanical web shooters back.It had my favorate LI for peter gwen.It had a flash thompson more that I was expecting.I felt more on ben parker and his relationship with peter than i did in original.same with may.of course that happens when you cast Martin Sheen and sally FieldI liked lizard more than any of the spider-man 3 villains.of course that's not hard.Amazing spider-man 2 defently deseves it being taken to woodshed.but,the first one I love.

 

[henzINNIT]

ok
thats not my argument. I'm talkin from a cinematic technical view point, the components that matter in order to objectively analyze a stand out film, those are really the only 2 CMB's that do it.

Spider-Man 2 may be the ultimate movie that CmB fans want to see (i think thats way to general though, because you got the TDK gritty tone as well) but again that isn't my argument.

Don't see what objectively seperates SM2 from the others. Of the 3 mentioned, it most successfully translates the spirit and visuals of the comic book into a different medium. TDK and DOFP draw influences from other genres.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Wow. Sorry to hear that man. Have you enjoyed any of the Spider-man movies?

TASM is probably the one i liked the most, it has its flaws but for the most part it felt like spider-man to me.

There is alot that bothers me about Spider-man and Spider-man 2 and alot of it comes down to not being all that clever IMO and pretty much using the cliches that Michael bay would say nice work too, yno the hot girl who goes for hot guys before falling for the geeky guy who had a thing for her but seemed totally out of her league previously or the moment where the hero is getting his butt kicked until you threaten his loved ones and then he gains a new strength and kicks the villains ass, it is something i seen many times in other movies.

Spider-man 3 is probably the watchable one even though its flawed as hell but its adapting my favourite Story the venom saga so i do enjoy watching parts of it, call it a guilty pleasure.

TASM2 is a tough one because there are things i liked but it had similar issues to BVS, sony really have their finger prints all over it and you can tell they had no idea what they were doing at all.

But thats just me

 

[ciscostudent561]

Don't see what objectively seperates SM2 from the others. Of the 3 mentioned, it most successfully translates the spirit and visuals of the comic book into a different medium. TDK and DOFP draw influences from other genres.

just curious, did you study film/theatre?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

dofp is the most well executed and acted cmb outside of tdk when you base it by film standards and not subjective fan boy reasonings. 99% of fan boys don't study the art or the technicalities of film but what to make objective analysis? Oh c'mon get out.

Its
1)tdk
2) dofp
and a far drop to the next cmb movie

lol

How is it that film lists are variable even among the snobby elite? If these are all as objective as you claim there would be more absolute lists.

I have never seen two people agree unanimously on any film, whether they be casuals or film snobs.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Let me guess, when Ock awakes in the hospital?

No the train scene, i actually liked the Ock stuff

For me the train scene drove me nuts, the action is great but the moment he took his mask off i was like ok this is getting interesting... then he jumps down and has a chat with the driver and i was just like WHAAAAT? NOT ONLY ARE YOU UNMASKED INFRONT OF RANDOM PEOPLE WHILE YOU SAVE THEM BUT THE THE DRIVER IS TALKING TO HIM LIKE CRAP "any other great ideas?"

At that point i was like well ok its not that bad as its just that 1 guy... then a couple of bad actors pull him inside to get a better look and that was the point i just looked away... it just felt so wrong and almost pointless, it was made into such a dramatic moment like it was trying to say something but nothing in the movie actually set that up, maybe in the first spider-man when green goblin told him in the end the public would hate him but that was the first movie and this was the second and didn't have any built up to that so it was just there for the sake of being there for dramatic effect.

And then after that harry unmasks him in that kinda dun dun duuuuuh way but we just see a train full of people see him without his mask about 2 minutes ago... any shock is watered down at that point.

i know many enjoy that train scene but i personally don't get it.

 

[GuestStar2004]

... are you sure you're not talking about Spider-Man 3? because that was my reaction to most of that film

No i can watch spider-man 3 purely because of the black suit and venom stuff, even if scenes like MJ breaking up with peter while the evil harry watches from a distance is stupid its still a guilty pleasure to see spider-man hanging upside down in the black suit facing a building as i used to watch the 90s cartoon Venom Saga over and over again as a kid.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I will avoid the Spider-Man topic as I cannot disagree more with many posts here on the much superior Raimi trilogy and the crappy Webb films. That series has its own forum.

I do feel X-Men Apocalypse is underrated. I am not big on the films prior to First Class, and Apocalypse is not the best one for sure. But, it still felt very X-Men to me

 

[spideyboy_1111]

No i can watch spider-man 3 purely because of the black suit and venom stuff, even if scenes like MJ breaking up with peter while the evil harry watches from a distance is stupid its still a guilty pleasure to see spider-man hanging upside down in the black suit facing a building as i used to watch the 90s cartoon Venom Saga over and over again as a kid.

but it was all executed terribly.. im a big venom fan.. which is why i couldn't watch it.. it was just as bad, if not worse than green lantern...

 

[GuestStar2004]

but it was all executed terribly.. im a big venom fan.. which is why i couldn't watch it.. it was just as bad, if not worse than green lantern...

Maybe but until i see the black suit and Venom done again but better then Spider-man 3 is the best i got ;p

 

[Zarex]

No the train scene, i actually liked the Ock stuff

For me the train scene drove me nuts, the action is great but the moment he took his mask off i was like ok this is getting interesting... then he jumps down and has a chat with the driver and i was just like WHAAAAT? NOT ONLY ARE YOU UNMASKED INFRONT OF RANDOM PEOPLE WHILE YOU SAVE THEM BUT THE THE DRIVER IS TALKING TO HIM LIKE CRAP "any other great ideas?"

At that point i was like well its not to bad as its just that 1 guy... then a couple of bad actors pull him inside to get a better look and that was the point i just looked away... it just felt so wrong and almost pointless, it was made into such a dramatic moment like it was trying to say something but nothing in the movie actually set that up, maybe in the first spider-man when green goblin told him in the end the public would hate him but that was the first movie and this was the second and didn't have any of that so it was just there for the sake of being there for dramatic effect.

And then after that harry unmasks him in that kinda dun dun duuuuuh way but we just see a train full of people see him without his mask about 2 minutes ago... any shock is watered down at that point.

i know many enjoy that train scene but i personally don't get it.

Peter ain't Bruce Wayne. He's a random nobody in a era before cell phone cameras. It's not hard to believe who have seen his face will never find out who Spider-man is when he is off the clock.

I just watched it again on You Tube. That's the scene that caused you gut-wrenching disappointment? I think it's frickin' brilliant.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Peter ain't Bruce Wayne. He's a random nobody in a era before cell phone cameras. It's not hard to believe who have seen his face will never find out who Spider-man is when he is off the clock.

I just watched it again on You Tube. That's the scene that caused you gut-wrenching disappointment? I think it's frickin' brilliant.

It did yeah, i hated that scene.

 

[carpenter82]

In terms of comic book films from the past 10 years DOFP is right under the Dark Knight for me. Everything just comes together so well in DOFP, the arcs, character development, story, concepts, and themes. I'm baffled when people say Singer doesn't know what he's doing with X-Men, or that DOFP is a boring film. I don't think his recent X-Men films will be appreciated until after this whole Marvel Studios craze dies down.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Peter ain't Bruce Wayne. He's a random nobody in a era before cell phone cameras. It's not hard to believe who have seen his face will never find out who Spider-man is when he is off the clock.

[YT]qPefOfu2TIU[/YT]

Wired has an interesting take on what's the deal with the franchise.

With the possible exception of the Wolverine movies (which we’re a little tired of), the X-Men franchise has always been the forgotten superhero cinema franchise. They deserve far more credit than they’re getting, but there’s no denying that they’ve never fully escaped deep nerd territory.

And their conclusion:

Regardless of critical response, the X-Men are always going to have a place in our hearts, in nerd culture, and in the multiplex. It’s just maybe not going to be right there alongside Batman or the Avengers.

http://www.wired.com/2016/06/x-men-apocalypse-marketing-census/

 

[ciscostudent561]

In terms of comic book films from the past 10 years DOFP is right under the Dark Knight for me. Everything just comes together so well in DOFP, the arcs, character development, story, concepts, and themes. I'm baffled when people say Singer doesn't know what he's doing with X-Men, or that DOFP is a boring film. I don't think his recent X-Men films will be appreciated until after this whole Marvel Studios craze dies down.

bingo
most fanboys / cmb fans dont critique on actual film/story aspects but subjective points that can not be comparatively messaged or analyzed

 

[DavidHaller]

In terms of comic book films from the past 10 years DOFP is right under the Dark Knight for me. Everything just comes together so well in DOFP, the arcs, character development, story, concepts, and themes. I'm baffled when people say Singer doesn't know what he's doing with X-Men, or that DOFP is a boring film. I don't think his recent X-Men films will be appreciated until after this whole Marvel Studios craze dies down.

I 100 % agree! Simply a beautiful movie with such a strong message.

Unfortunately "X-Men: Apocalypse" was such a HUGE disappointment in comparison to all of his other X-Men movies...

 

[kasjan]

I will avoid the Spider-Man topic as I cannot disagree more with many posts here on the much superior Raimi trilogy and the crappy Webb films. That series has its own forum.

Spiderman in Civil War doesn't even have precognitive Spider-sense.