Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 41

[kevork89]

Ehh.

Look, X-men is partially responsible for the increase in Spider-man's budget. But I think Spider-man's huge success is the key for everyone going forward with big budget super hero movies. Especially the creation of Marvel Studios and the funding of Iron Man.

And when it comes to how movies affect things in Hollywood, the only thing that matters is $$$$.

Of course money is a major factor. And I do agree the success of Spider Man was major for the comic book movie industry. Marvel wouldn't be where it was without the critical and financial success of both X-Men and Spider Man. I don't think it's one or the other. It's both. X-Men showed how they can do a comic book adaptation grounded with a great story. And Spider Man came in and did a great more comic movie feel.

 

[ImSGirl95]

You are all forgetting Blade (1998) ...

 

[2kt09]

You are all forgetting Blade (1998) ...

3 pages late.

 

[def28]

That doesn't negate the fact that people give marvel way more slack than other studios for doing the EXACT SAME THING. I'm not talking about the qualities if films. I'm talking about changing things from the source or taking liberties. Which marvel is also guilty of as much as these other studios. Difference is no one calls them out for it.

No one calls them out? Really?
http://forums.superherohype.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=26219
Or how about this quote from Shane Black. That explains there was such a backlash that Marvel felt forced to make an apology through a short film.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/How-Marvel-Reacted-Iron-Man-3-Villain-Backlash-131427.html

“I wish that the fans liked [Iron Man 3] more,” said Black. “I’m a people pleaser. Marvel saw so many negative things they made a whole other movie just to apologize called Hail to the King. In which they said, ‘No, no, the Mandarin is still alive. That wasn’t him. There’s a real Mandarin.’ The only reason they made that was an apology to fans who were so angry.”

Some of the most hateful debates I've been in with comic fans have been regarding Iron Man 3's creative license. If you don't see it then you are not paying attention. Cause this was a big deal that hit all geek sites and turned into a very controversial topic. Hardcore Iron Man fans were extremely pissed his main villain was now a joke and the hate flew.

X-Men fans themselves are the ones who have been wanting more accurate portrayals for over a decade. Might as well blame them for wanting more and aching to see characters represent their potential. Cause they are the ones commenting too. They won't stop wanting to see something done properly.

Ultimately creative license can be both good and bad. You don't see the majority constantly whining about Negasonic Teenage Warhead. They did that character a favor.

 

[kevork89]

You are all forgetting Blade (1998) ...

Blade was a supernatural thriller horror movie more then anything. It was an easier sell during the 90s after comic movies. To be honest most people don't even know that Blade was a comic character. I never knew until I was older to be honest and I was a fan of Marvel growing up.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

I still want a Storm movie.

 

[GuestStar2004]

You mean the younger cast that was largely sidelined so the focus could again go towards Charles, Raven, and Erik?

That didn't happen at all

 

[psylockolussus]

Well surely, Storm got more to do when Magneto became a horseman. I don't see why people keep forgetting that. Remind me again, that people didn't complain about Magneto/Mystique in this film? Well no "That didn't happen at all".

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well surely, Storm got more to do when Magneto became a horseman. I don't see why people keep forgetting that. Remind me again, that people didn't complain about Magneto/Mystique in this film? Well no "That didn't happen at all".

Well to be fair the moment magneto become a horseman then all the horseman had very little to do and mystique didn't get all that much of a role either.

 

[psylockolussus]

You are all forgetting Blade (1998) ...

Because like... everybody were aware that Blade is a Marvel comic-book character at that time.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Apocalypse was conculsion of first class trilogy so naturly it was always
going to have major roles for Xavier,magneto,and mystique.

it was called culmination of 6 films because 1:It really is film where Charles Xavier becomes Professor X and birth of real X-men 2:Plenty of homages to X-men and X2 and even to a point takes into account last stand's version of phoenix with regards of phoenix being power inside jean and 3:it transitions some of SInger's vision such as black leather suits and mystique naked into something else by end of film.

I know some want to act like film is magneto or mystique and the X-men but it really isn't.Cyclops and jean are very important.they are elquilvent of
wolverine and rogue of first X-Men.This defently wasn't last stand when
everything was very wolverine centric.during climax a lot of people played role in defeating apocalypse but in the end it was jean on astral plane with Xavier's guidance unleahsing her powers that defeated apocalypse.it wasn't
wolverine in last stand suddenly being able to recover from attacks of dark phoenix.It can be argured jean is real female lead of film.Mystique's role
primily was to save nightcrawler,bring him to mansion,and to try to
reason with Magneto.compared to marketing of film it was great how important and big cyclops and jean's roles was.

 

[kevork89]

Cyclops and Jean actually had bigger more important roles compared Mystique.

 

[BeholdMe]

Well to be fair the moment magneto become a horseman then all the horseman had very little to do and mystique didn't get all that much of a role either.

This is a sad reality, I agree Mystiques role wasn't that grand in this movie either. It was just to much to try to squeeze into one film a villian of this scale needed more than one film. That's why I'm hoping for a smaller scale villian next film so there's time to give every character proper shine. Though in some parts of Apocalypse it could've been done as well but they chose not to.

 

[Endeavor]

i didn't get that impression ... Apocalyse even turned Storm's hair from black to pure snow-white as he seized her during his stay at her home.

He also seized Angel and tuened him into metalic Archangel- who wasn't influenced or made a choice to join Apocalypse.

Ditto for Psychlocke - once we saw the glowing eyes of Apocalypse as she held her light- sword to his throat, after that, she was into whatever he wanted. That was Apoco taking her over.

Magneto ? did Apoco physically amplify Magneto's pain and anguish to help join him (when he had Mag place his hand to the ground of the Nazi-camp)

What do their physical changes have anything to do with what I said?
There was no evidence they were being mind controlled.
If that were the case, why did Magneto and Storm turn against him? There was no Xavier or Jean mindblast that would have freed them. They turned against him because they had free will, they were not being controlled.

That was even something that was said before the movie came out, when somebody was explaining Apocalypse's powers (I forget if it was Singer or Kinberg).

 

[Endeavor]

Me neithrt and the writer too apparently, they said in an interview Apocalypse has the power to shield the mind but not to control it, that's why he want Charles's power, full control.

and this is exactly what I was talking about.
The Horsemen were not being mind controlled.

 

[DavidHaller]

and this is exactly what I was talking about.
The Horsemen were not being mind controlled.

I disagree. Singer stated several times that Apocalypse had the power of persuasion! I think one of Apocalypse's power was intended to be the manipulation of emotions or possibly the increase of emotions through his voice.

His voice obviously tied into these powers and was used in very artificial ways to imply that he manipulates his horsemen and put them under his spell so to say. Or maybe he only made them drunk with power. I don't know...but I think it was definitely implied that he influenced his horsemen and fulfilled their inner wishes.

but the movie never bothered to make this explicit and the ending was very absurd when Magneto and Storm simply walked away without anybody caring about their former despicable actions...especially Storm was horrible to watch. She did not show any emotions when her whole home city was destroyed by Apocalypse. All the children she lived together possibly killed but this woman did not gave a ratsass about it.

Half-cocked things like that made this movie very painful to watch!

 

[Endeavor]

Singer also stated several times that Apocalypse had the power of persuasion! I think one of Apocalypse's power was intended to be manipulation of emotions or possibly the increase emotions through his voice.

His voice obviously tied into these powers and was used in very artificial ways to imply how he manipulated his horsemen.

but the movie never bothered to make this explicit and the ending was very absurd when Magneto and Storm simply walked away without anybody caring about their former despicable actions...especially Storm was horrible to watch. She did not show any emotions when her whole home city was destroyed by Apocalypse. All the children she lived together possibly killed but this woman did not gave a ratsass about it. Half-cocked things like that made this movie very painful to watch!

Exactly my point.
The movie did not provide any evidence of this 'persuasion' power. Which means all the horrible things that the horsemen allowed to happen without so much as raising a concern is ridiculously off-character for anyone save Magneto.

 

[DavidHaller]

Exactly my point.
The movie did not provide any evidence of this 'persuasion' power. Which means all the horrible things that the horsemen allowed to happen without so much as raising a concern is ridiculously off-character for anyone save Magneto.

yeah, but this is what Singer always does. He has very subtle cinematographic ways to show emotions and portray certain character arcs. Sometimes it is only a quick gaze and it speaks a ton. He is normally not pampering the audience with cheap cinematographic Hollywood explicitness. But I agree that he was NOT successful with this in "X-Men: Apocalypse" like he was in all his previous X-Men movies which are a delight to watch.

I think the voice modulation of Apocalypse was actually beautifully done. He came across very seductive. But it was never explicit, sure.

 

[ApophènX]

and this is exactly what I was talking about.
The Horsemen were not being mind controlled.

Yes but he shield their mind and use his soft talk, always the right metaphor or verbal lexicary, to convince them. They canno't see clearly, he often take the form their ego want to see, he amplifies it. He is an enhancer, like a reflection. A catalyst.

As for Storm and the city, i didnot care at all (i didn't think of it then i mean) we weren't shown people dying and since Apoc wanted to shut down civilization i took it more on a idea level. He destroy the building, square, to make his old pyramid, triangle. But yeah i guess it was a slaughter, everybody's dead.

But again the movie end without real answer as how the world has gone in relation to mutant, if they keep the ten years jump they could have been great changes toward the integration and acceptation we see at the beggining of XMA.

I have to say for le the movie kept going in more symbolic imagery and emotion, Erik and Jean rebuilding the house at the end was the last cornerstone. With Quicksilver and Storm choosing to stay, youth is home, no more thief, hiding in basement,...

 

[DavidHaller]

honestly, I just want to forget that Storm was in this movie. IT WAS JUST SO UTTERLY BAD!

 

[GuestStar2004]

Power of persuasion doesn't mean actual persuasion powers it just means like people in Today's world he some know how to pull people to their side

 

[X-Maniac]

With the Egyptian setting, I thought we'd at least see Storm whipping up a sandstorm against the X-Men and Jean either telekinetically dissipating it or creating a forcefield wall to stop it.

When else are we ever going to get the possibility of Storm creating a sandstorm or a dust devil?

 

[DavidHaller]

Power of persuasion doesn't mean actual power for persuasion

I think it does or at least this would make the movie a little bit more bearable. And why else should they invest so much creative modulation on his voice? He clearly had a strong affective influence on his horsemen.

 

[JEM]

New trailer for Morgan with Anya Taylor-Joy. I hope the rumor is true and she is Magik in New Mutants.
[YT]/watch?v=rqmHSR0bFU8[/YT]

 

[Flint Marko]

That didn't happen at all

It did. Scott and Jean were given a subplot, but nothing more than what they had in previous films and even so it doesn't contradict my original statement: the new cast was largely sidelined so the same characters we've been seeing can get the spotlight.

Exactly my point.
The movie did not provide any evidence of this 'persuasion' power. Which means all the horrible things that the horsemen allowed to happen without so much as raising a concern is ridiculously off-character for anyone save Magneto.

It made no sense. All it took to stop Magneto from destroying the earth was Jennifer Lawrence asking him nicely.