Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 41

[BMM]

Scott is given plenty more focus than in previous films. That's not even up for debate. As for Jean, she receives as much focus, if not more, than what I expect in an ensemble X-Men film not named The Dark Phoenix Saga.

 

[2kt09]

It did. Scott and Jean were given a subplot, but nothing more than what they had in previous films and even so it doesn't contradict my original statement: the new cast was largely sidelined so the same characters we've been seeing can get the spotlight.

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We know going in this would cap off the First Class trilogy, so it was always obvious who this would focus the most.
Although, it oddly felt like every major player got the right amount.

Alex Summers is the new OT Scott Summers.

It made no sense. All it took to stop Magneto from destroying the earth was Jennifer Lawrence asking him nicely.

Recollect your beloved past, Erik! You still have another family worth protecting!

 

[GuestStar2004]

It did. Scott and Jean were given a subplot, but nothing more than what they had in previous films and even so it doesn't contradict my original statement: the new cast was largely sidelined so the same characters we've been seeing can get the spotlight.

but they were not unless you feel those same characters shouldn't have got any spot light at all otherwise cyclops,jean and even nightcrawler had pretty good roles in the story, it clearly wasn't the kids taken by stryker and the FC cast going to save them and cyclops,jean and storm did have their hand in the final beat down on apocalypse along with magneto

yeah they were so sidelined poor little guys

It made no sense. All it took to stop Magneto from destroying the earth was Jennifer Lawrence asking him nicely.

You did watch the movie right?

 

[ApophènX]

It did. Scott and Jean were given a subplot, but nothing more than what they had in previous films and even so it doesn't contradict my original statement: the new cast was largely sidelined so the same characters we've been seeing can get the spotlight.

It made no sense. All it took to stop Magneto from destroying the earth was Jennifer Lawrence asking him nicely.

jean and Scott ark was work out nicely, i already expliained it too much but it's correlate with tree, red vision, memory, unleash power, nature, erik's family blablabla Like in any big movie with a lot of character they play their part according to certain themes and axis more general

he didn't went for Mystique, he wen tfor his family wich he btrayed like he stated. if you didn't understand the dynamic of mother/son-father/daughter wich is how they arranged the last chapter yep maybe it made no sens

 

[JEM]

Jean and Scott had more screentime than Mystique. In fact, they were more present thant the young cast in FC.

 

[BeholdMe]

Jean and Scott had more screentime than Mystique. In fact, they were more present thant the young cast in FC.

I agree with this, those two really got their shine and was given more screentime. I was especially pleased with Cyclops in this film though, they didn't screw him over.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I still need to see this.. first xmen film ive missed.. but ive had too much stuff going on to be able to go see any movie.

hoping i can still find a 3D screening in a decent theater.

 

[carpenter82]

I still need to see this.. first xmen film ive missed.. but ive had too much stuff going on to be able to go see any movie.

hoping i can still find a 3D screening in a decent theater.

I normally don't go to 3D screenings but I thought the 3D for this was quite good. I wish it had an IMAX release in North America.

 

[Frankeh]

It did. Scott and Jean were given a subplot, but nothing more than what they had in previous films

False. In the OT we only see these characters through Wolverine, unless they're together, being worried for each other.

Kurt was a bit equal to his role in X2.

Storm, Angel and Jubilee yeah, the first two were a background statue most of the time, the latter was spectacularly useless.

 

[Smilodon]

I think it does or at least this would make the movie a little bit more bearable. And why else should they invest so much creative modulation on his voice? He clearly had a strong affective influence on his horsemen.

You're taking it too literally. He doesn't have a mutant power of persuasion, Singer means he's charismatic like a preacher. The intent was that Apocalypse convinces them to come over to his side by showing them the error of their prior ways and or coming to their lowest point and offering them their salvation in the form of a new world. (I say intent, because we only really see that happen with Erik, which means they might as well have been mind controlled if they couldn't properly depict these characters at their respective points of weakness where they would join some crazy cult)

The voice modulation was there because it was a throwback to the cartoons as well as to show the kinds of powers that Apocalypse accumulated over his many iterations. It only activates when he's using his powers, so it's easy to understand why you might think he's forcing them.

 

[superweirdo87]

One thing about a Marvel Sony-style deal: X-Force, Cable, and X-Force and Cable related characters and storylines.

Disney has a corporate family friendly brand, and Iger and Feige have explicitly stated that they will not do R-rated movies. But, Deadpool really works best as an R-rated movie. X-Force probably would too. Ryan Reynold has said X-Force is a priority and he wants a Cable-led X-Force. Cable is the son of Jean Grey's clone and Scott Summers and a lot of the potential X-Force characters are probably in the X-Men license.

So, would like Fox have Deadpool in another Universe and rely on the X-Men license to use XMen characters in the Deadpool universe? And how exactly would that work in fine print and legal terms?

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

One thing about a Marvel Sony-style deal: X-Force, Cable, and X-Force and Cable related characters and storylines.

There's no reason to believe a deal between Marvel and Fox would resemble the Sony-Marvel deal.

 

[def28]

That would be the interesting thing.

It would be foolish of Marvel if such an agreement took place to switch things up for a character like Deadpool. Netflix clearly won't have the same impact. Not sure how they would handle that or if Fox still completely financing the film is enough to separate it cause of the rating. Have Fox make the R stuff and then any Deadpool crossover from Marvel would be PG-13. The property right now is far too valuable in more ways then one. Very high comic and merch sales there. And the film is boosting those.

Relationships here seem different too. Tim Miller worked alongside Marvel for years, and Deadpool was the first Fox film to be congratulated pretty openly by most the Marvel cast and crew. Reynolds congratulated Civil War as well, and those Deadpool/ Avenger cast interactions get the attention of social media. There are easter eggs of Kevin Feige in the film and Zooptopia even name dropped it in a tv spot. So even without being connected they are not trying to ignore it's existence even though it's R. I'm sure the high merch sales for Deadpool play into it, but this film got a much different reaction from the studio and Marvel crew then other Fox Marvel IP's.

That character and the other X-Men IP's would no doubt be handled differently then Spidey to a degree in terms of how they work into things creatively. Business wise I could see something similar. Merch sales for X-Men and Deadpool are potentially worth it.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

I wanna see Morlocks in the next x-men movie.

 

[Vasilios]

I would like to see Xmen in the next XMEN movie.

 

[BeholdMe]

I would like to see Xmen in the next XMEN movie.

I'm certain well I hope the next film has the actual XMen at the core of the film.

 

[marvelrobbins]

One thing about a Marvel Sony-style deal: X-Force, Cable, and X-Force and Cable related characters and storylines.

Disney has a corporate family friendly brand, and Iger and Feige have explicitly stated that they will not do R-rated movies. But, Deadpool really works best as an R-rated movie. X-Force probably would too. Ryan Reynold has said X-Force is a priority and he wants a Cable-led X-Force. Cable is the son of Jean Grey's clone and Scott Summers and a lot of the potential X-Force characters are probably in the X-Men license.

So, would like Fox have Deadpool in another Universe and rely on the X-Men license to use XMen characters in the Deadpool universe? And how exactly would that work in fine print and legal terms?

it's time to face reality on what a fox-marvel deal would mean.

Everyone assoicated with X-men related films would be gone.Reynolds would be gone as well as all cast of first class trilogy.

Kinberg and Donner who have been spearheading X-Men films,and with donner fought for deadpool would eather be gone or given meanless executive producer credits like avi arad on Spider-man homecoming and as they and bryan singer apparently are getting in marvel produced legion and hellfire for airing on fx and fox.

Kiss r rated deadpool,and X-force films goodbye.

Fox would release all X-men related films but feige would have all control
over all films.

next X-men films including spin-offs like deadpool would be at mercy of
avengers schedule/plan.question would be what would Feige want to do more of X related films or newer films.

Deadpool might be regulted to netflex tv show.

There would be full scale reboot of X-Men universe including Deadpool.and who knows what X-Men would look like In MCU.yes they would have
colorful costumes from begining but they might resemble Ultimate X-Men.we might not if magneto is ever used again have one with comic history.
Quicksilver would never be seen again.

The core of X-Men is suspose to be team born with powers who defend a world which hates and fears them.what makes anyone think marvel based on MCU films history would produce something like this.

Deadpool is more compable on his own with MCU than X-men.

and marvel would not hestate quickly casting wolverine for MCU X-Men.

An X-men film as dark and serious as DOFP so far hasn't been produced by marvel.Feige is on record as saying they will never go dark.They have done nothing with blade since getting rights back.yes due to X-Men's populary they won't sit on it too long.

If fox were to announce deal with marvel and wolverine film and deadpool sequel will be last solo X-Men related films then maybe 2020 for first MCU X-Men.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

^^^ I don't think that's true at all.. i think Marvel would probably let FOX handle deadpool and keep him sorta in his own universe that loosely ties into the x-men and MCU continuities basically letting him do his own thing. with a meta character like that you can pretty much let him be.

But I do think the X-men themselves would be rebooted and more than likely recast. basically everything would change but deadpool.

i mean it certainly sounds like Venom if he gets his solo.. at sony. will not be a part of the MCU

 

[Rorschach2012]

it's time to face reality on what a fox-marvel deal would mean.

Everyone assoicated with X-men related films would be gone.Reynolds would be gone as well as all cast of first class trilogy.

Kinberg and Donner who have been spearheading X-Men films,and with donner fought for deadpool would eather be gone or given meanless executive producer credits like avi arad on Spider-man homecoming and as they and bryan singer apparently are getting in marvel produced legion and hellfire for airing on fx and fox.

Kiss r rated deadpool,and X-force films goodbye.

Fox would release all X-men related films but feige would have all control
over all films.

next X-men films including spin-offs like deadpool would be at mercy of
avengers schedule/plan.question would be what would Feige want to do more of X related films or newer films.

Deadpool might be regulted to netflex tv show.

There would be full scale reboot of X-Men universe including Deadpool.and who knows what X-Men would look like In MCU.yes they would have
colorful costumes from begining but they might resemble Ultimate X-Men.we might not if magneto is ever used again have one with comic history.
Quicksilver would never be seen again.

The core of X-Men is suspose to be team born with powers who defend a world which hates and fears them.what makes anyone think marvel based on MCU films history would produce something like this.

Deadpool is more compable on his own with MCU than X-men.

and marvel would not hestate quickly casting wolverine for MCU X-Men.

An X-men film as dark and serious as DOFP so far hasn't been produced by marvel.Feige is on record as saying they will never go dark.They have done nothing with blade since getting rights back.yes due to X-Men's populary they won't sit on it too long.

If fox were to announce deal with marvel and wolverine film and deadpool sequel will be last solo X-Men related films then maybe 2020 for first MCU X-Men.

Literally everything you're saying is wrong

If there were to be a Marvel/Fox deal, they would keep Deadpool. He would make a quick joke about how things are different, or he would get super meta and ****ing explain the deal to the audience.

You are wrong if you think Deadpool would be recast. He is the easiest to change to fit into the MCU. Two sentences tops is all itd take.

Hugh Jackman may decide to stay on if the character is rebooted into the MCU. That would be so fresh and new for the franchise that Hugh might have to join.

They will either do a reality altering event that incorporates the current X-Men cast into the MCU

OR they will do a full reboot. Which I think would be the best option

You act like Disney is stupid. You just don't want it to happen so you incorrectly assume the worst.

Marvel/Disney is the best thing that could've ever happened to the Spidey movies

And like it or not, it's undeniably true.... Disney/Marvel would be the best thing to happen to the stale as ****, end of their ropes X-Men franchise. This was evidenced by the reception for Apocalypse. It's only going downhill from here. DOFP was the absolute ceiling and the way to maximize their profits on these characters is to strike a deal with Marvel.

Deadpool is such an exception. He will be unscathed by the whole deal, I bet he would reference the studios in a movie. He would comment on the massive timeline change and nobody would have a problem as long as they address the change in a clever and funny way

 

[marvelrobbins]

well at least if fox/marvel deal happens i won't have to spend money on
tickets and DVDs,and i won't have to spend time on internet on X-Men.

 

[marvelrobbins]

^^^ I don't think that's true at all.. i think Marvel would probably let FOX handle deadpool and keep him sorta in his own universe that loosely ties into the x-men and MCU continuities basically letting him do his own thing. with a meta character like that you can pretty much let him be.

But I do think the X-men themselves would be rebooted and more than likely recast. basically everything would change but deadpool.

i mean it certainly sounds like Venom if he gets his solo.. at sony. will not be a part of the MCU

people are fooling themselves.deadpool would total be rebooted.

 

[Superhero 101]

That would suck if DP would get rebooted if there was a Marvel/Fox deal

 

[Rorschach2012]

well at least if fox/marvel deal happens i won't have to spend money on
tickets and DVDs,and i won't have to spend time on internet on X-Men.

You are in the far minority there my friend. Disney's MCU is the king of current cinema, it would reinvigorate this rotting franchise in a way that nothing else ever could.

Plus... X-Men has always existed in a greater Marvel universe. It's so baffling and crazy for me to imagine that people want ANY Marvel characters to exist on an island. X-Men work best when they exist in the greater Marvel universe, that's a big part of their appeal. They can have separate adventures for the most part of course, just like Spider-Man, but there is so much fun potential when the X-Men are able to interact with the greater Marvel universe

Imagine a quick scene that retroactively established that Wolverine and Cap fought together in WW2. Or if we could get the Black Panther/Storm relationship.

One can't deny that Deadpool would benefit from being able to exist within the MCU. He can remain R in his own films, but when he shows up in MCU films, he'd be PG 13, it would be fine!



the best part of the deal would be letting Wolverine interact with the big guns

Spider-Man and Wolverine are Marvels two best characters, you are proposing that we never see them interact on film? Just because you want this stale 16 year old franchise to continue?

The X-Men have always existed alongside other Marvel characters. They should exist in a greater Marvel universe on film too, it's pretty clear to me

I'm game for any explanation the MCU wants to give us as far as why the X-Men haven't been referenced or seen so far.

I'm convinced the writers can make it work.

After Civil War, it's clear that the general public in the MCU is somewhat afraid of the power that heroes hold, they could use this plot point to plant the seeds for the X-Men in the MCU...

There's a lot they can do to make it really work. It's very clearly the best option for the X-Men

Combining a franchise with diminishing returns with a franchise that dominates cinema, does JUSTICE to their characters, actually RESPECTS the source material, and isn't EMBARASSED of the goofier aspects? Yeah that's a horrible, horrible idea

All properties should be back at Marvel. All of them. They deserve it.

I don't believe they would have to ditch th dark tone of the X-Men. After all Civil War and the Netflix shows have PROVEN that X-Men doesn't have to have a family friendly childish tone if they were in the MCU. Stop clinging to that theory because it's clearly been proven wrong

They seriously will have to do this sooner or later. It's going to happen, most likely after the new Spidey movie is released to rave reviews

 

[Rorschach2012]

people are fooling themselves.deadpool would total be rebooted.

You are foolish to think this. Lol did you see the Deadpool movie? it's the most meta superhero movie of all time . Deadpool would literally just reference the Disney marvel deal within the movie and everyone would accept it

No need to reboot him, he would just acknowledge the timeline change within his damn movie. He's already referenced the stupid timeline in the X-Men movies and Deadpool has already changed and caused more problems for the X-Men timeline.

Deadpool would make a meta reference to the change within his movie if there were a MCU deal. I would bet anything on that.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

people are fooling themselves.deadpool would total be rebooted.

... i think you're a bit paranoid.

the last deadpool film basically did that anyway... no real connection to the X-men films outside of Xaviers mansion... all new colossus and new mutants in general.. and meta references of the X-men cast while having the final battle on what was clearly a shield carrier...

put some rationality behind it instead of paranoid fear.

DP has been very successful, it also got praise from Marvel creators and critics alike...

the X-men franchises have kinda slumped to mediocrity.. and the Fantastic Four have jumped off a cliff in a blaze of glory...

those are the 2 properties Marvel cares about... and Deadpool isn't really one of them. You cant do deadpool properly without him being rated R... and Marvel knows this.. so there's no reason to include him when there's no need. just continue to make DP films loosely based on the movie universes.