Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 41

[marvelrobbins]

Literally everything you're saying is wrong

If there were to be a Marvel/Fox deal, they would keep Deadpool. He would make a quick joke about how things are different, or he would get super meta and ****ing explain the deal to the audience.

You are wrong if you think Deadpool would be recast. He is the easiest to change to fit into the MCU. Two sentences tops is all itd take.

Hugh Jackman may decide to stay on if the character is rebooted into the MCU. That would be so fresh and new for the franchise that Hugh might have to join.

They will either do a reality altering event that incorporates the current X-Men cast into the MCU

OR they will do a full reboot. Which I think would be the best option

You act like Disney is stupid. You just don't want it to happen so you incorrectly assume the worst.

Marvel/Disney is the best thing that could've ever happened to the Spidey movies

And like it or not, it's undeniably true.... Disney/Marvel would be the best thing to happen to the stale as ****, end of their ropes X-Men franchise. This was evidenced by the reception for Apocalypse. It's only going downhill from here. DOFP was the absolute ceiling and the way to maximize their profits on these characters is to strike a deal with Marvel.

Deadpool is such an exception. He will be unscathed by the whole deal, I bet he would reference the studios in a movie. He would comment on the massive timeline change and nobody would have a problem as long as they address the change in a clever and funny way

therw would be no reality altering thing.based on every other prioperty marvel has gotten back there would be complete reboot of X-Men.

Hugh jackman is very unlikely to play wolverine again after solo film.

look i know your marvel fanboy who bashes all other studios but it's truth.

marvel has never brought back actors in same roles in other studios films.

fox doing this would be just like sony.they would give marvel all control and creative talents in front and behind camers of X-Men films would be
fired or not brought back.yes the X-Men films would technically be fox films and fox would release them but they would be controlled by marvel and would be at mercy of so called phase plans and would be about supporting avengers.

Marvel would never produce anything dark and serious.Feige has said by his own words marvel is never going dark.

The Hulk,and spider-man all guides to how X-Men.

Cpatain America;Civil war and Spider-man:Homeocming are proof of why i don't want X-Men in MCU.the X-Men will be turned much lighter and darkness and seriousness may be mostly gone or at very least tunedd own.worse avengers characters will start to overshadow X-Men in their own films like
stark making spider-man's outfit and other devices and now stark overshadowing spider-man in his own film.There is little doudt downey won't be playing major role in Spider-man:Homecoming.

 

[marvelrobbins]

You are in the far minority there my friend. Disney's MCU is the king of current cinema, it would reinvigorate this rotting franchise in a way that nothing else ever could.

Plus... X-Men has always existed in a greater Marvel universe. It's so baffling and crazy for me to imagine that people want ANY Marvel characters to exist on an island. X-Men work best when they exist in the greater Marvel universe, that's a big part of their appeal. They can have separate adventures for the most part of course, just like Spider-Man, but there is so much fun potential when the X-Men are able to interact with the greater Marvel universe

Imagine a quick scene that retroactively established that Wolverine and Cap fought together in WW2. Or if we could get the Black Panther/Storm relationship.

One can't deny that Deadpool would benefit from being able to exist within the MCU. He can remain R in his own films, but when he shows up in MCU films, he'd be PG 13, it would be fine!



the best part of the deal would be letting Wolverine interact with the big guns

Spider-Man and Wolverine are Marvels two best characters, you are proposing that we never see them interact on film? Just because you want this stale 16 year old franchise to continue?

The X-Men have always existed alongside other Marvel characters. They should exist in a greater Marvel universe on film too, it's pretty clear to me

I'm game for any explanation the MCU wants to give us as far as why the X-Men haven't been referenced or seen so far.

I'm convinced the writers can make it work.

After Civil War, it's clear that the general public in the MCU is somewhat afraid of the power that heroes hold, they could use this plot point to plant the seeds for the X-Men in the MCU...

There's a lot they can do to make it really work. It's very clearly the best option for the X-Men

Combining a franchise with diminishing returns with a franchise that dominates cinema, does JUSTICE to their characters, actually RESPECTS the source material, and isn't EMBARASSED of the goofier aspects? Yeah that's a horrible, horrible idea

All properties should be back at Marvel. All of them. They deserve it.

I don't believe they would have to ditch th dark tone of the X-Men. After all Civil War and the Netflix shows have PROVEN that X-Men doesn't have to have a family friendly childish tone if they were in the MCU. Stop clinging to that theory because it's clearly been proven wrong

They seriously will have to do this sooner or later. It's going to happen, most likely after the new Spidey movie is released to rave reviews

people like you keep bringing up netflix shows.why would X-men fans want
X-men on netlfix show.CIvil war is comedy compared to DOFP and Apocalypse.

 

[Rorschach2012]

X-Men is a 16 year old franchise where the LEAD actor is ready to leave, there are diminishing returns, and a timeline that literally makes no sense at all. Deadpool can't even interact with the young cast without timeline issues

This **** is a damn mess. It needs a clean beginning. FOR SURE. And a reboot won't work unless they reboot within the MCU.

Fox has no idea wtf they are doing, just hand over the creative reigns to Marvel, and let the money roll in just like Sony

 

[spideyboy_1111]

if it makes you feel any better....

again...

-Deadpool was basically a standalone film anyway.. nothing in it indicated it was actually a part of the OT or FC trilogy of xmen films... new mutants, new colossus, no reference to XO other than a toy (which that in itself makes it easily an alternate universe where he's aware of the X-men films.. thus the macavoy or stewart references as well, and the hugh jackman jokes) plus again.. they quite obviously used a SHIELD hellicarrier... infact.. DP fits better into the MCU already than the X-men franchises

-Sony wants a venom movie and it wont be part of the MCU... (thats one clue that Deadpool would still be a stand-alone)

-As for "marvel has never brought on previous actors... no.. they haven't but none of the films they rebooted had successful precursors to warrant that.... But they HAVE met with Wesley Snipes about BLADE... and its quite possible they want him back

 

[marvelrobbins]

... i think you're a bit paranoid.

the last deadpool film basically did that anyway... no real connection to the X-men films outside of Xaviers mansion... all new colossus and new mutants in general.. and meta references of the X-men cast while having the final battle on what was clearly a shield carrier...

put some rationality behind it instead of paranoid fear.

DP has been very successful, it also got praise from Marvel creators and critics alike...

the X-men franchises have kinda slumped to mediocrity.. and the Fantastic Four have jumped off a cliff in a blaze of glory...

those are the 2 properties Marvel cares about... and Deadpool isn't really one of them. You cant do deadpool properly without him being rated R... and Marvel knows this.. so there's no reason to include him when there's no need. just continue to make DP films loosely based on the movie universes.

if fox basicly turns over X-men to marvel that means everything will.

and when has feige keeped anything other studios have done.reynolds will
be gone as well as any cast mebers form X-Men related films.

Kinberg and donner in a deal would be given meaningless executive producer
titles in a deal.

feige went on record saying the breaking the wall and not r rating is why
deadpool was a success.

It's fine for people who like the more comedic MCU for them to get X-Men
but as one who likes the dark and serious X_Men that wouldn't excite me
at all.and they have already turned spider-man intos econdary character to
avengers with stark making outfit and equipment besides webshooters and
now stark is going to overshadow spider-man in his own film just like some
were rooting for stark over cap in cap's own third solo film.

Hell after justice league set visit i have to wonder if they are heading down
the campy road again with batman in response to BVS.

Just like this year has shown me democratic party isn't place for liberals and anti-war people and my vote doesn't matter i won't discard idea fox
will sell out X-Men to disney.

 

[YoungBlood]

therw would be no reality altering thing.based on every other prioperty marvel has gotten back there would be complete reboot of X-Men.

Hugh jackman is very unlikely to play wolverine again after solo film.

look i know your marvel fanboy who bashes all other studios but it's truth.

marvel has never brought back actors in same roles in other studios films.

fox doing this would be just like sony.they would give marvel all control and creative talents in front and behind camers of X-Men films would be
fired or not brought back.yes the X-Men films would technically be fox films and fox would release them but they would be controlled by marvel and would be at mercy of so called phase plans and would be about supporting avengers.

Marvel would never produce anything dark and serious.Feige has said by his own words marvel is never going dark.

The Hulk,and spider-man all guides to how X-Men.

Cpatain America;Civil war and Spider-man:Homeocming are proof of why i don't want X-Men in MCU.the X-Men will be turned much lighter and darkness and seriousness may be mostly gone or at very least tunedd own.worse avengers characters will start to overshadow X-Men in their own films like
stark making spider-man's outfit and other devices and now stark overshadowing spider-man in his own film.There is little doudt downey won't be playing major role in Spider-man:Homecoming.

Don't bother debating with Rorschach, his flimsy biased arguments are no different from what can be found on IMDb and that site that should not be named.

 

[Zarex]

I don't think either FOX or Marvel will be involved in any joint activity regarding the X-Men character family in the near future. Marvel will announce the MCU FF film and FOX will likely leave the X-Teens back in the 1980s and move ahead with Deadpool 2, X-Force and New Mutants set in the present day.

But I would not be surprised at all if Wade has a cameo in the 2nd Infinity War film.

 

[marvelrobbins]

X-Men is a 16 year old franchise where the LEAD actor is ready to leave, there are diminishing returns, and a timeline that literally makes no sense at all. Deadpool can't even interact with the young cast without timeline issues

This **** is a damn mess. It needs a clean beginning. FOR SURE. And a reboot won't work unless they reboot within the MCU.

Fox has no idea wtf they are doing, just hand over the creative reigns to Marvel, and let the money roll in just like Sony

your hated for anything not disney is showing.

I won't pretend it won't happen.fox could reboot themselves.

it's all fine for those like you who hate all X-men films besides deadpool
but fox turning over X-men won't work so well for fans of X-Men films.

 

[marvelrobbins]

if it makes you feel any better....

again...

-Deadpool was basically a standalone film anyway.. nothing in it indicated it was actually a part of the OT or FC trilogy of xmen films... new mutants, new colossus, no reference to XO other than a toy (which that in itself makes it easily an alternate universe where he's aware of the X-men films.. thus the macavoy or stewart references as well, and the hugh jackman jokes) plus again.. they quite obviously used a SHIELD hellicarrier... infact.. DP fits better into the MCU already than the X-men franchises

-Sony wants a venom movie and it wont be part of the MCU... (thats one clue that Deadpool would still be a stand-alone)

-As for "marvel has never brought on previous actors... no.. they haven't but none of the films they rebooted had successful precursors to warrant that.... But they HAVE met with Wesley Snipes about BLADE... and its quite possible they want him back

for starters with blade wake me up when marvel announces something.till then snipes can say all he want he has been talking to marvel.but so far there is no history of marvel bringing back actors from other studios film.

Deadpool would never have been made at disney as it was at fox.no r ratings.plus could you ever imagine someone taking pot shots at stark the way deadpool did at wolverine.

the venom thing is because sony is desperate for hits.fox defently wants
a shared universe thing with X-Men.if fox were to make deal with
disney why would deadpool be immune from it.

fox was planning to use deadpool sequels to get ot X-force.but it and new mutants may not happen if deal people push for happens.

i don't know if in MCU if they would do seperate films for MCU wolverine and deadpool first or introduce X_Men characters in other heroes films first or introduce X-Men with their own film but past of films from marvel and then disney/marvel given me clear guide of how the tone of X-Men would be.

 

[GuestStar2004]

FOX will likely leave the X-Teens back in the 1980s and move ahead with Deadpool 2, X-Force and New Mutants set in the present day.

So fox would have to guarantee new mutants would make more then an X-Men movie otherwise very little point leaving them behind? and any film they make is gonna be a risk either way, even a X-FORCE without deadpool may not work either so deadpool is a milking machine that lets hope doesn't run dry

 

[Spiderine]

Fox can keep the Xmen. If they want to continue this stale series then let them. They got plenty of other options to go with. New Mutants, X force, X Factor, or even Excaliber. Its not like they are limited like Sony was with Spidey. I would prefer they stay confined to their own universe. Its much better that way. They also have the wildly successful Deadpool who can mix and match with everyone.

The only thing that should return to the MCU is FF. Thats a no brainer. However....if diminishing returns are what FOX like then do sequel to Apocalypse.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Face facts about deadpool he isn't gonna be used as a plot device whenever they need to cheat around something, yno like killing off a character and then bringing them back with no excuse but just make sure deadpool cracks a joke about it and then its ok because the audience will accept it... thats probably not how it works.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I don't think either FOX or Marvel will be involved in any joint activity regarding the X-Men character family in the near future. Marvel will announce the MCU FF film and FOX will likely leave the X-Teens back in the 1980s and move ahead with Deadpool 2, X-Force and New Mutants set in the present day.

But I would not be surprised at all if Wade has a cameo in the 2nd Infinity War film.

and why would X-Men fans be excited for Deadpool 2,X-force,and new mutants
but no X_Men films.that would also mean since kinberg said xavier was in
New mutants they would have to use Stewart and not mcavoy.

You may find it strange to know but we X-Men fans are primly attached to characters in the X-Men not deadpool and other characters in secondary X titles.

Jackman's final film may be last X related film i spend time and money on.

I never in my life ever picked up a deadpool solo comic.i knew deadpool from X-force vol 1 appearances and wolverine gues shots.

Just like Captain America;Civil war is probally last film i spend money on
involving spider-man since i so disliked spidey in that and nothing so far suggests SPider-man:Homecoming will be any better.that die was cast the minute downey was announced for it.

why would marvel pick a cemo by main character of rivil studio's biggest comic book film in film which is culmination of decade of their films?

 

[Zarex]

So fox would have to guarantee new mutants would make more then an X-Men movie otherwise very little point leaving them behind? and any film they make is gonna be a risk either way, even a X-FORCE without deadpool may not work either so deadpool is a milking machine that lets hope doesn't run dry

Not necessarily. New Mutants and X-Force will likely have lower budgets than an X-Men tentpole and focus on team relationships and street level combat, respectively. They won't have to crack half a billion to make a profit.

X-Men 7 has too much going against it right now - soft BO, high costs, middlin' reviews, no JLaw - to make sense as a near term follow up.

 

[YoungBlood]

Fox can keep the Xmen. If they want to continue this stale series then let them. They got plenty of other options to go with. New Mutants, X force, X Factor, or even Excaliber. Its not like they are limited like Sony was with Spidey. I would prefer they stay confined to their own universe. Its much better that way. They also have the wildly successful Deadpool who can mix and match with everyone.

The only thing that should return to the MCU is FF. Thats a no brainer. However....if diminishing returns are what FOX like then do sequel to Apocalypse.

Once again, how is 523 million diminishing returns?

Its not DP or DOFP money, or even BVS/CW money, but it still made money.

 

[henzINNIT]

You are foolish to think this. Lol did you see the Deadpool movie? it's the most meta superhero movie of all time . Deadpool would literally just reference the Disney marvel deal within the movie and everyone would accept it

No need to reboot him, he would just acknowledge the timeline change within his damn movie. He's already referenced the stupid timeline in the X-Men movies and Deadpool has already changed and caused more problems for the X-Men timeline.

Deadpool would make a meta reference to the change within his movie if there were a MCU deal. I would bet anything on that.

Sounds bat-s**t crazy and totally Deadpool. I could see it happening that way, but as smart as Marvel are with their characters, and as much as I think they'd see the logic in it, transporting a character from one continuity could be messy enough for them not to risk it.

Then again, there's no way Marvel would turn down Deadpool money, and they'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who would throw themselves into the role like Reynolds has. I can't imagine the hill any studio would have climb if they tried to recast Deadpool in the next few years.

Face facts about deadpool he isn't gonna be used as a plot device whenever they need to cheat around something, yno like killing off a character and then bringing them back with no excuse but just make sure deadpool cracks a joke about it and then its ok because the audience will accept it... thats probably not how it works.

I have no idea what you are talking about right now.

I don't think either FOX or Marvel will be involved in any joint activity regarding the X-Men character family in the near future. Marvel will announce the MCU FF film and FOX will likely leave the X-Teens back in the 1980s and move ahead with Deadpool 2, X-Force and New Mutants set in the present day.

But I would not be surprised at all if Wade has a cameo in the 2nd Infinity War film.

This would be how I'd do things tbh. All of it.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Sounds bat-s**t crazy and totally Deadpool. I could see it happening that way, but as smart as Marvel are with their characters, and as much as I think they'd see the logic in it, transporting a character from one continuity could be messy enough for them not to risk it.

Then again, there's no way Marvel would turn down Deadpool money, and they'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who would throw themselves into the role like Reynolds has. I can't imagine the hill any studio would have climb if they tried to recast Deadpool in the next few years.



I have no idea what you are talking about right now.



This would be how I'd do things tbh. All of it.

that is fine for fans of MCU,and deadpool this way.but,fans of actual X-Men and films not so much.

 

[Spiderine]

Once again, how is 523 million diminishing returns?

Its not DP or DOFP money, or even BVS/CW money, but it still made money.

You want to see growth with this franchise.....right? Isn't that what FOX wants? Isn't that what you want in order to get more films?

Its a considerable drop from DOFP. They want to expand its Xverse. Do you think Apocalypse which is the 6th entry in the main X-series left audiences starving for more? If they made another film do you believe its going to do considerably better at the box office. Are we lowering the bar here?

Are you happy with stagnation?

 

[Zarex]

and why would X-Men fans be excited for Deadpool 2,X-force,and new mutants
but no X_Men films.that would also mean since kinberg said xavier was in
New mutants they would have to use Stewart and not mcavoy.

You may find it strange to know but we X-Men fans are primly attached to characters in the X-Men not deadpool and other characters in secondary X titles.

Frosty Weintraub confirmed last week what I've long suspected. FOX has a decent # of ways they can move forward independently, but X-Men 7 is probably the least appealing option. If X-Men fans don't buy what FOX is selling a co-financing arrangement and MCU reboot starts to look more appealing to the Murdochs.

Just like Captain America;Civil war is probally last film i spend money on
involving spider-man since i so disliked spidey in that and nothing so far suggests SPider-man:Homecoming will be any better.that die was cast the minute downey was announced for it.

The S-M:H cast is enormous, and I doubt RDJ's role is going to be anywhere near as large as it was in CA:CW. I wouldn't be surprised if Downey shows up for a scene or two, collects his $20M and calls it a day.

why would marvel pick a cemo by main character of rivil studio's biggest comic book film in film which is culmination of decade of their films?

Because it would absolutely bring the theater down. These movies are supposed to be fun.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

if fox basicly turns over X-men to marvel that means everything will.

and when has feige keeped anything other studios have done.reynolds will
be gone as well as any cast mebers form X-Men related films.

Kinberg and donner in a deal would be given meaningless executive producer
titles in a deal.

feige went on record saying the breaking the wall and not r rating is why
deadpool was a success.

It's fine for people who like the more comedic MCU for them to get X-Men
but as one who likes the dark and serious X_Men that wouldn't excite me
at all.and they have already turned spider-man intos econdary character to
avengers with stark making outfit and equipment besides webshooters and
now stark is going to overshadow spider-man in his own film just like some
were rooting for stark over cap in cap's own third solo film.

Hell after justice league set visit i have to wonder if they are heading down
the campy road again with batman in response to BVS.

Just like this year has shown me democratic party isn't place for liberals and anti-war people and my vote doesn't matter i won't discard idea fox
will sell out X-Men to disney.

you need to tone down the paranoia. thats not going to be how it goes down.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I have no idea what you are talking about right now.

In other words you can't abuse deadpools meta powers like that thinking anything goes with deadpool because its deadpool!

 

[marvelrobbins]

you need to tone down the paranoia. thats not going to be how it goes down.

If fox does what you and others want and fox basicly turns everything X-Men to disney with fox just distributing it that is totaly what happens.Kinberg and donner will be given executive producer credits and then everything is rebooted.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

for starters with blade wake me up when marvel announces something.till then snipes can say all he want he has been talking to marvel.but so far there is no history of marvel bringing back actors from other studios film.

Deadpool would never have been made at disney as it was at fox.no r ratings.plus could you ever imagine someone taking pot shots at stark the way deadpool did at wolverine.

the venom thing is because sony is desperate for hits.fox defently wants
a shared universe thing with X-Men.if fox were to make deal with
disney why would deadpool be immune from it.

fox was planning to use deadpool sequels to get ot X-force.but it and new mutants may not happen if deal people push for happens.

i don't know if in MCU if they would do seperate films for MCU wolverine and deadpool first or introduce X_Men characters in other heroes films first or introduce X-Men with their own film but past of films from marvel and then disney/marvel given me clear guide of how the tone of X-Men would be.

deadpool getting made or not has nothing to do with the current scenario... you're just speaking on the behalf of your biased paranoia...

Marvel isn't stupid... they appreciate deadpool. deadpool was successful. they've never tried to fix anything that wasn't broken. This would be a brand new situation. youd have to be a complete moron to reboot a film that just broke the records and garnished the praise deadpool did... Disney wont want any control over deadpool... they wont want kids running around their parks with swords and guns... and they wont make a watered down deadpool...they already have a family friendly deadpool... his names Spider-Man.

and again.. SONY outright is still planning a venom solo film set apart from the MCU.. why would you think any deal with disney = "THEY GET EVERYTHING AND CONTROL EVERYTHING" as of right now that's not even remotely true with Sony... the venom solo and possible silver sable solo as well as the animated spider-man film are not controlled by marvel and they are not part of the MCU.... they are full Sony properties.. why would deadpool be any different?????


at worst you'd get solo R rated non MCU team up films for DP and Wolverine... basically just like the comics... where a Wolverine solo comic is gritty, dark, violent and more adult...an R rated film.. and then if they wanted him with the Avengers or Spidey we'd get a PG-13 version like previous X-films...

as for wolverine recasting.. that's happening regardless of a deal going through or not.. but i'd bet my life on it that if a deal were to happen.. Deadpool is completely safe and Reynolds wouldn't be recast

 

[marvelrobbins]

Frosty Weintraub confirmed last week what I've long suspected. FOX has a decent # of ways they can move forward independently, but X-Men 7 is probably the least appealing option. If X-Men fans don't buy what FOX is selling a co-financing arrangement and MCU reboot starts to look more appealing to the Murdochs.



The S-M:H cast is enormous, and I doubt RDJ's role is going to be anywhere near as large as it was in CA:CW. I wouldn't be surprised if Downey shows up for a scene or two, collects his $20M and calls it a day.



Because it would absolutely bring the theater down. These movies are supposed to be fun.

again what is the appeal to X-Men fans about scrapping X-men after wolverine film with exception of Xavier In new mutants.

Downey Is going to have major role In Spider-man:Homeocming.they wouldn't announce him so early if he wasn't.which alone is the probelm
but it will work will for stark fans.i am not one of them.

You do realize this is X-Men section and some actully like X-Men?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Once again, how is 523 million diminishing returns?

Its not DP or DOFP money, or even BVS/CW money, but it still made money.

it cost $178 million to make... and probably another 100 million to promote...

$245million isn't a big profit it's "safe" but wouldn't be considered a "success"