Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 42

[GuestStar2004]

Not really. Part of finding new directors will be hearing what their pitch for the film will be, where the story shoud go. I would prefer they get a director who has a strong vision of where to take the story/characters rather than hiring a director who will just come in and try to make an existing script work.

Doesn't always work that way, sometimes the studio already know where they are going so they just hire a director to translate it, they are allowed to make some changes but for the most part they have to stick to the idea.

 

[JEM]

Not really. Part of finding new directors will be hearing what their pitch for the film will be, where the story shoud go. I would prefer they get a director who has a strong vision of where to take the story/characters rather than hiring a director who will just come in and try to make an existing script work.
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To be fair, they did the same thing with First Class and Matthew Vaughn. When he came to FC, there was a treatment with story and character.
I think you have the same situation with The Flash and Rick Famuyiwa because he will work with treatment by Chris Miller and Phil Lord.
But, it doesn't prevent rewrite with strong vision on the characters.

Beside, i think Disney have some similarities with MCU and Star Wars. Not a complete script but i think Kevin Feige and Kathleen Kennedy have a clear vision for a movie before pick a director/writer.

X-Men franchise is part of universe so i don't mind if Kinberg wrote the basic story. But i would like a new writers and they can have a unique take with a basic story.

 

[superweirdo87]

One scenario I especially dread is if Kinberg writes the script and Fox finds a weaker director that just goes along or a weak director that does not know how to work with a studio.

 

[Smilodon]

Don't think they'll go with an unaccomplished director in that regard and do things just to make some arbitrary release date, they learned with Ratner that they can't just hire anyone and put them in a situation where they can't devote the proper time to making a good film or one that isn't theirs.

Vaughn wouldn't have come onto FC if he weren't able to put his own stamp on it, and considering how Fox doesn't really have a long term plan besides namedropping abstract ideas and or stories like "X-Force" or "crossover" or "Dark Phoenix Saga", I think it's safe to assume that whatever Kinberg does write will go under heavy revisions as all of these big blockbuster films do.

 

[superweirdo87]

I think that unfortunately the process might deter a talented, strong director. Marvel Robbins says that with Kinberg writing, Vaughn, McQuarrie, and Whedon are less likely.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I think that unfortunately the process might deter a talented, strong director. Marvel Robbins says that with Kinberg writing, Vaughn, McQuarrie, and Whedon are less likely.

I dont see why it would keep vaughn away as its not like he wasnt working with kinberg on DOFP, so if anything he probably wont be back as he has moved on From the franchise.

Whedon certainly wont be directing one of these movies either way

 

[2kt09]

Doesn't always work that way, sometimes the studio already know where they are going so they just hire a director to translate it, they are allowed to make some changes but for the most part they have to stick to the idea.

The studio being the core group involved in producing the franchise and there isn't a Rothman anymore to suggest this being an issue.

I think it's safe to assume that whatever Kinberg does write will go under heavy revisions as all of these big blockbuster films do.

Heavy revisions is unavoidable, it's not safe to say Kinberg will be able to whip out a good screenplay.

 

[Smilodon]

I think that unfortunately the process might deter a talented, strong director. Marvel Robbins says that with Kinberg writing, Vaughn, McQuarrie, and Whedon are less likely.

That's a pretty far-fetched assumption to make. Vaughn worked with Kinberg on FC and would've done so on DOFP had he stayed on. These films go through heavy writing processes, something that McQuarrie, who did work on X-Men and The Wolverine, would know and would certainly add something of his own if he were to sit in the director's chair.

Whedon was always the most far-fetched of any directors that fans would bring up (well, besides Rian Johnson and Alfonso Cuaron and Ridley Scott lol), but again, why would someone writing something deter him from joining and rewriting it? That's what he did on the Avengers?

 

[henzINNIT]

From my experience, scripts are always altered when a new director comes aboard. Even Ratner made changes to The Last Stand, and that was with no pre-production time (or talent). I wouldn't worry too much about Kinberg's stink at this point, unless the director sucks.

Horrible thought. What if Kinberg himself is the next director? He's become one of the key creative forces behind the franchise, and was rumoured to have been instrumental in FF reshoots.

 

[superweirdo87]

Whedon was definitely unlikely, and Vaughn may have moved on. But, marvel robbins said this and it is understandable. I hope Fox brings in a new director and that director co-writes or brings writers along as you say. But, it is a very discouraging sign that Kinberg intends to write the project.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Looks like fox is replacing hellfire with other X-Men related show
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/marvel-fox-series-matt-nix-pilot-commmitment-1201812851/

Singer,Donner,and Kinberg are credeted as executive producer but who knows what if any involvement they will actully have since like legion bothing from them but quotes from Jeph Loeb

 

[marvelrobbins]

From my experience, scripts are always altered when a new director comes aboard. Even Ratner made changes to The Last Stand, and that was with no pre-production time (or talent). I wouldn't worry too much about Kinberg's stink at this point, unless the director sucks.

Horrible thought. What if Kinberg himself is the next director? He's become one of the key creative forces behind the franchise, and was rumoured to have been instrumental in FF reshoots.

rumor is Kinberg directed himself the FF reshoots.

a reason why i say vaughn is unlikely while he has ongoing relationship with fox he usually has hand in scripts of films he directs.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Looks like fox is replacing hellfire with other X-Men related show
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/marvel-fox-series-matt-nix-pilot-commmitment-1201812851/

Singer,Donner,and Kinberg are credeted as executive producer but who knows what if any involvement they will actully have since like legion bothing from them but quotes from Jeph Loeb

I wonder just how "Underground" they go... Morlocks?

this seems like another very loosely based concept of the X-world. could be interesting

 

[henzINNIT]

I think Fox should think bigger with this show. Maybe even New Mutants. It would ruin the film plans but it could be much more fun in this format.

rumor is Kinberg directed himself the FF reshoots.

Exactly. I hope he didn't get a taste for it.

 

[marvelrobbins]

varety says Hellfire is defently dead so this is replaement.at least as part of marvel's comments X_Men as well as singer,Kinberg,and Donner are mentioned.

If fox wants a show like abc marvel shows hopefully this will be part of X_Men cinematic universe and not stand alone like legion.COuld this show involve morlocks? it sounds like it's a possibilty

 

[Tymminator]

Edit.

 

[micsin]

Looks like fox is replacing hellfire with other X-Men related show
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/marvel-fox-series-matt-nix-pilot-commmitment-1201812851/

Singer,Donner,and Kinberg are credeted as executive producer but who knows what if any involvement they will actully have since like legion bothing from them but quotes from Jeph Loeb

Even if none of the characters from the films show up, there's such a rich roster to still draw from - Firestar, Armor, Wolfsbane, X-23, Longshot, Northstar, Forge, Xorn, Rachel Summers, Namor, Dazzler, Fantomex, the Morlocks... This is great news with great possibilities.

EDIT: Not to say that we'll see a roster of X-Men in the new show, but the idea that these guys could potentially cameo is pretty freakin cool!

 

[GuestStar2004]

The TV shows at this point will probably end up more like DC's tv shows like arrow and the flash where the films and the shows are in different universes

 

[GuestStar2004]

a reason why i say vaughn is unlikely while he has ongoing relationship with fox he usually has hand in scripts of films he directs.

Yeah but anyone who directs will likely have a hand in the script so that doesn't mean much at all.

 

[micsin]

The TV shows at this point will probably end up more like DC's tv shows like arrow and the flash where the films and the shows are in different universes

Or they could be like Agents of SHIELD and indirectly work within the same movie universe.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Or they could be like Agents of SHIELD and indirectly work within the same movie universe.

Since they made the decision on legion for it not to be... chances are more likely towards it not being.

I mean decisions like that ain't made lightly.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Since they made the decision on legion for it not to be... chances are more likely towards it not being.

I mean decisions like that ain't made lightly.

while it's possible fox wants shared universe for X-men

if not i hope fox doesn't shackle them like DC has for their tv shows and embrace it's different contunity no killing off or saying no about characters for the films.

 

[Sithborg]

From my experience, scripts are always altered when a new director comes aboard. Even Ratner made changes to The Last Stand, and that was with no pre-production time (or talent). I wouldn't worry too much about Kinberg's stink at this point, unless the director sucks.

Horrible thought. What if Kinberg himself is the next director? He's become one of the key creative forces behind the franchise, and was rumoured to have been instrumental in FF reshoots.

I'm thinking studios are very much stepping away from giving their big tentpole movies to people who haven't directed before. And with Fox, likely to someone who hasn't had a track record of actually making more than one movie. I still shudder at how close we came to an Orci directed Star Trek 3...

Looks like fox is replacing hellfire with other X-Men related show
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/marvel-fox-series-matt-nix-pilot-commmitment-1201812851/

Singer,Donner,and Kinberg are credeted as executive producer but who knows what if any involvement they will actully have since like legion bothing from them but quotes from Jeph Loeb

Matt Nix seems to be the showrunner, who is the one executive producer that matters.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I'm thinking studios are very much stepping away from giving their big tentpole movies to people who haven't directed before. And with Fox, likely to someone who hasn't had a track record of actually making more than one movie. I still shudder at how close we came to an Orci directed Star Trek 3...



Matt Nix seems to be the showrunner, who is the one executive producer that matters.

i am washing my ahnds of nutrek.if orci had ended up directing beyond the fault would have been with abrams who was pushing for it thankfully paramount showed a small sense of sense and shacked orci

I know nothing about matt nix like i do noah hawley.i have to wait before making any calls if i want to watch it.hopefully Mix doesn't do to this what manny Coto and Evan Kotz did to hellfire.

 

[C. Lee]

If the studio has a vision for the project and knows how to understand what the filmmaker is all about, it shouldn't be a big issue. That is beneficial to the industry.

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