Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 42

[Zant]

How is it presumptuous talk when I'm showing you the facts. Disappointing box office (2nd lowest domestic and worldwide returns of the series even adjusted for inflation it's the 2nd lowest grossing ) and a "low" CinemaScore (tied with XMOW for the lowest of the series)

And before anyone says anything. I'm not saying that it's hated. I'm saying that the fanboy community loves it way more than the GA. And what I said before at least somewhat proves it.

How was the second weekend drop and multiplier for First Class? In fact, I would like to know if anyone can calculate the multiplier for all the Xmen films box office runs.. Would like to see which film had the best legs at the box office.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Is that in reference to someone

Anyone. This is a public forum after all but more specifically you because you brought up the revenue that one film made over another.

 

[Zarex]

You know you also have to base gross also proportional to budget. X:A was not nearly as expensive as DOFP which actually ended up in the red. I believe X:A at least turned a modest profit.

I doubt FOX will end up in the black at the BO. Here's a rough guesstimate:


Revenue (in millions)
Domestic BO---$155.5 x 50% = $ 77.75
Foreign BO---- $264.9 x 40% = $105.96
China Bo------ $120.8 x 25% = $ 30.20

Total BO --------------------------$213.91

Expenses (in millions)
Reported Budget---------------- ($175.00)
Est Marketing 1/2 budget-------($ 87.50)


Net BO Profit/(Loss)(in millions)($ 48.59)

 

[jaymes_e06]

It was waaay worse with DOFP and that film was the highest grossing in the series but with the backdoor deals Jackman had it easily put it in the red.

Also you didn't even calculate that right studios get the full earnings the first weekend out so it should get more that what you are ascertaining.

 

[Zarex]

It was waaay worse with DOFP and that film was the highest grossing in the series but with the backdoor deals Jackman had it easily put it in the red.

DOFP was more pricey, but it earned an additional $200M between domestic and non-China foreign. That's a lot to make up.

Also you didn't even calculate that right studios get the full earnings the first weekend out so it should get more that what you are ascertaining.

I like the 50/40/25 BO breakdown for estimating BO profits. Once you get into opening weekend vs week 12 numbers it becomes a bit too complex for a rough estimate. My take is that XM:A will eventually make money. But it will be a while.

 

[Legion91]

He likeky is calling you delusion because you think Apocalypse simply underperformed because of the new cast which isn't the case, that's the delusional part. The reality is the movie didn't do so well due to many different accounts that could've easily been fixed.

The problem with this series, with XMA is not the cast, but the story, the script. Actually at the end of the day, no matter which cast will be used, the quality of the movie determines the outcome of the box office.

Finally, thank you.

 

[MadVillainy]

You know you also have to base gross also proportional to budget. X:A was not nearly as expensive as DOFP which actually ended up in the red. I believe X:A at least turned a modest profit.

Anyone. This is a public forum after all but more specifically you because you brought up the revenue that one film made over another.

Ok. I figured it was to me but I was confused why it was because it doens't really have much to do with what I said

Yes, box office to production budget relation is important but only when youre talking about profit or how succesful a film is financially. I wasn't talking about whether a film was a success or not. I was talking about how an audience responds to it which really has to do with the total box office receipts and the relation to the budget doesnt matter as much

 

[X-Maniac]

Thx, i really want to know why Dan Harris and Michael Dougherty didn't write XA. Beside, we saw recently Singer and Harris together with Peter Rice (Chief Executive Officer of Fox Networks Group) in Scotland.

Michael Dougherty will be at Virtual Reality Society Conference with Singer. Maybe something is up (not necessarily for X-Men).

Well, it was Singer, Kinberg, Harris and Dougherty who all came up with the story for X-Men: Apocalypse. Kinberg turned the story into a screenplay and it does feel like a Kinberg movie but he didn't come up with everything on his own. Singer could also have changed anything he wanted to change...

 

[henzINNIT]

Technically Jurassic world only had one returning cast member and I'd be surprised if anyone remembered who he was in the original movie, the rest of all new cast.

True. The iconography of the park was the biggest "character" return. I think everyone wanted to go back. Hell they even brought back the original T-Rex.

As for terminator Genesis, it's Arnold's most famous role that he returned too after what 12 years? No one cared really, all that talk that salvation didn't do well because it didn't have Arnold probably wasn't the case at all

Poor Arnold has been in a pretty deep career slump for a while. He was the best part of that film by a mile, but he's not star he was and can't sell an obvious dud anymore. The supporting cast weren't interesting either. Jai Courtney is basically bland in human form, and Game Of Thrones fans don't seem to follow its stars onto other projects (Pompeii, Genesys, Apocalypse)

Well a lot of actors dont have an amazing box office appeal, Ryan Reynolds hasn't had a huge streak of box office successes while deadpool was a huge success but was that people rushing to see Reynolds or The material? Or for an extra option did the 2 just compliment each other so well that people liked what they see?

Reynolds was magical casting, and that energy was infectious. He's easily the franchise's biggest home run since Hugh Jackman. The prequel cast don't have that, in fact Jennifer Lawrence seems to be becoming the opposite.

I wouldn't mind them being forever 20ish since that's basically how they are in the comics so it's no big deal.

See I really don't like that. The series is firmly planted in time at this point, and I'm already growing annoyed by the lack of aging between jumps. Agelessness is something I don't want to see in any franchise to be honest. Too much logic-strain for me.

 

[BeholdMe]

Finally, thank you.

Your welcome not everyone here shares his views.

But.. but that makes too much sense...

Right lol

 

[BeholdMe]

See I really don't like that. The series is firmly planted in time at this point, and I'm already growing annoyed by the lack of aging between jumps. Agelessness is something I don't want to see in any franchise to be honest. Too much logic-strain for me.

I just dont feel its such a big deal as people are making it out to be, its science fiction and fantasy they dont have to age with us. As I said if they do a great story and utilize the characters properly that will outshine everything else I believe. Also the OT is not the end all be all for this franchise people really need to let that logic go. The franchise can survive without them and it will continue to do so in the future, they just need to reevaluate some things and get them situated with what they are doing with the property and realize the diamond they have with this franchise.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Ok. I figured it was to me but I was confused why it was because it doens't really have much to do with what I said

Yes, box office to production budget relation is important but only when youre talking about profit or how succesful a film is financially. I wasn't talking about whether a film was a success or not. I was talking about how an audience responds to it which really has to do with the total box office receipts and the relation to the budget doesnt matter as much

I understand that I'm merely pointing out this part of your statement:

Disappointing box office (2nd lowest domestic and worldwide returns of the series even adjusted for inflation it's the 2nd lowest grossing ) and a "low" CinemaScore (tied with XMOW for the lowest of the series)

which does not put it into proper perspective as to who is the box office dissapointing? The GA? They don't give af. The only people you might be referring to is the studio ergo my original reply.


Since we're back on topic to that comment.

And before anyone says anything. I'm not saying that it's hated. I'm saying that the fanboy community loves it way more than the GA. And what I said before at least somewhat proves it.

How do you know this? If anything I've seen evidence to the contrary of fanboys lambasting it and GA finding it more enjoyable.

 

[Guard82]

How do you know this? If anything I've seen evidence to the contrary of fanboys lambasting it and GA finding it more enjoyable.

Personally, I've noticed that there seem to be two distinct subgroups of fanboys regarding this movie: one group loves the movie, and the other group lambastes it. The first group of fanboys likes the film because it's fun and it feels like an X-Men adventure they've always wanted to see on the big screen. The second group dislikes the film because some characters weren't presented the way they would have liked or because the story just didn't click with them.

The GA moviegoers seem to enjoy the film, in my experience, while many of the mainstream critics were a lot harsher on it. The critics and the GA seem to diverge a bit on this movie.

 

[DavidHaller]

Personally, I've noticed that there seem to be two distinct subgroups of fanboys regarding this movie: one group loves the movie, and the other group lambastes it. The first group of fanboys likes the film because it's fun and it feels like an X-Men adventure they've always wanted to see on the big screen. The second group dislikes the film because some characters weren't presented the way they would have liked or because the story just didn't click with them.

The GA moviegoers seem to enjoy the film, in my experience, while many of the mainstream critics were a lot harsher on it. The critics and the GA seem to diverge a bit on this movie.

That's ridiculous! People who dislike this movie have more to say than "characters weren't presented the way they would have liked it". You are totally banalizing these opinions!

People dislike the movie because the screenplay was horribly weak and the second half of the movie was fanservice without substance. It was a bad crafted, very untypical Singer movie without depth, tonal dissonant, no exciting action scenes, no social commentary or comprehensible character motivations.

After the beautiful Days of Future Past this movie was a step down into mediocrity! Maybe people like me (and critics) overreact in their negativity towards the movie but 'XN:A' was just such a shocking disappointment after 'DoFP'...

 

[Guard82]

That's ridiculous! People who dislike this movie have more to say than "characters weren't presented the way they would have liked it". You are totally banalizing these opinions!

People dislike the movie because the screenplay was horribly weak and the second half of the movie was fanservice without substance. It was a bad crafted, very untypical Singer movie without depth, tonal dissonant, no exciting action scenes, no social commentary or comprehensible character motivations.

After the beautiful Days of Future Past this movie was a step down into mediocrity! Maybe people like me (and critics) overreact in their negativity towards the movie but 'XN:A' was just such a shocking disappointment after 'DoFP'...

And all the reasons you give for not liking the movie are all perfectly understandable. When I wrote what I wrote, I wasn't attempting to trivialize anyone's reasons for not liking the film. I was just mentioning a couple of of the most common reasons I had heard from people who had problems with the movie. Everything you just described makes perfect sense as a more extensive explanation of why someone might not like it. Obviously, we can debate quite a lot over how weak or strong the screenplay, action, characterization, and other elements were.

 

[psylockolussus]

See I really don't like that. The series is firmly planted in time at this point, and I'm already growing annoyed by the lack of aging between jumps. Agelessness is something I don't want to see in any franchise to be honest. Too much logic-strain for me.

Watch out for a 30-something looking James McAvoy and a late 20-something lookin Nicholas Hoult still in human form in a X-Men film set in 2003! Forever 20ish!

 

[magneto23]

Reynolds was magical casting, and that energy was infectious. He's easily the franchise's biggest home run since Hugh Jackman. The prequel cast don't have that, in fact Jennifer Lawrence seems to be becoming the opposite

Fassbender and McAvoy slip your mind?

 

[jaymes_e06]

If they actually aged them with make-up/prosthetics would people still be opposed to a sequel with the new cast?

 

[BeholdMe]

Watch out for a 30-something looking James McAvoy and a late 20-something lookin Nicholas Hoult still in human form in a X-Men film set in 2003! Forever 20ish!

Let it go

 

[BeholdMe]

If they actually aged them with make-up/prosthetics would people still be opposed to a sequel with the new cast?

Likely not because the few people cant seem to fathom that this franchise can and will succeed without the OT so they make these juvenile attempts to bad mouth the new cast because the OT as a whole is finished with this franchise. Especially since there were only a few people that shined in the OT

 

[psylockolussus]

Reynolds was magical casting, and that energy was infectious. He's easily the franchise's biggest home run since Hugh Jackman. The prequel cast don't have that, in fact Jennifer Lawrence seems to be becoming the opposite.

I agree, it doesn't matter if you have a lot of awards and if you are the highest paid actor of the year if you appear in a film that underperformed and if a lot of critics think you didn't want to be there or if you looked bored.

 

[henzINNIT]

I just dont feel its such a big deal as people are making it out to be, its science fiction and fantasy they dont have to age with us. As I said if they do a great story and utilize the characters properly that will outshine everything else I believe.

Also the OT is not the end all be all for this franchise people really need to let that logic go. The franchise can survive without them and it will continue to do so in the future, they just need to reevaluate some things and get them situated with what they are doing with the property and realize the diamond they have with this franchise.

Disagree with the first part. It's not something that could outright ruin a good film, but it's already distracting enough to hinder them. For me, at least.

Fondness for the OT cast aside, I agree that they aren't the be-all of the franchise. New Mutants is a great path into the future. I don't see why old faces need to be dropped entirely moving forward though.

Watch out for a 30-something looking James McAvoy and a late 20-something lookin Nicholas Hoult still in human form in a X-Men film set in 2003! Forever 20ish!

There's that scene in Apocalypse where everyone is in a jet and Jennifer Lawrence is talking to the new kids about what happened 20 years before... It's just silly at this point.

It wouldn't take much to brush a little bit of grey into Fassy's hair at least.

Fassbender and McAvoy slip your mind?

I love them both, McAvoy might be my favourite cast member of the entire franchise, but no I didn't forget them. They do not carry weight like Jackman and Reynolds.

If they actually aged them with make-up/prosthetics would people still be opposed to a sequel with the new cast?

I'd still want both. I'm greedy like that.

 

[psylockolussus]

I love them both, McAvoy might be my favourite cast member of the entire franchise, but no I didn't forget them. They do not carry weight like Jackman and Reynolds.

He's just not a big seller. I don't think he had a film that performed really big because of his name. Wanted was mostly seen as an Angelina Jolie movie to the GA, while Keira Knightley was hot in the media when Atonement was released. I don't think a lot of people remember that he was in the Narnia movie. And his movie with Daniel Radcliffe bombed last year.

 

[yaellen]

He's just not a big seller. I don't think he had a film that performed really big because of his name. Wanted was mostly seen as an Angelina Jolie movie to the GA, while Keira Knightley was hot in the media when Atonement was released. I don't think a lot of people remember that he was in the Narnia movie. And his movie with Daniel Radcliffe bombed last year.

In the future movies, I don't think they would ever focus stories on Xavier, so whether McAvoy is a seller or not, it doesn't really matter as long as people accept him as Xavier. If people complains him being too young looking, they can always persuade Patrick to take the check.

If they do want a story focus heavily on Xavier again, which I highly doubt, and if Patrick is not up for the task while McAvoy is not suitable, they can always re-cast.

 

[GuestStar2004]

About whether someone is a seller or not is stupid, hugh jackman has been in several bombs that were not X-Men movies including at least 2 in the last 2 years