Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 42

[marvelrobbins]

another thing when i looked online to consider.Fox spent 120 to 130 million on Prometheus.It earned 126 Million domesticly and 403 million WW yet they are allowing ridley Scott to make sequels to it.Fox claims ALien;Convent is part 2 of trilogy.Scott himself says there may be 3 sequels to Prometheus before they lead into alien.

APocalypse made 526 Million WW.Singer himself lately is posting pics of him on instrgram during the china promation of Apocalypse.

let's remember what happened on full X-Men films the last time no involvement from Singer and written by Kinberg.That was Last Stand.

as one who likes Apocalypse and yes there are some despite the pilling on by some.I say Singer made with apocalypse that even with quicksilver and to lessser intent nightcrawler as comic relief that makes CIvil war look like comedy and didn't go into depressing like BVS.Stepping back may simply mean he is doing 20,000 Leagues before next X-Men or becaus eof 20,000 leagues under the sea he takes a hands on producer role as he did with first class.I main the best choices to direct if singer is only producing and it feel like part of same series and sequel to Apocalypse is for fox to hire

1:Christopher Mcquarrie.He Is friends with SInger.they have worked together.he even worked on earlier drafts of first X-Men and the Wolverine.Mission Impossible:Rogue nation felt like very much sequel to earlier MI films.Even better if he was hired that could mean Kinberg won't write.He is an oscar winning screenwriter.for a Singer film by the way
2:Matt Reeves.Dawn of planet of the apes totally feels like sequel to rise of the planet of the apes.like rise it feels like it's film by people who love the original Apes films.Dawn felt very much like a loose remake of battle for the planet of the apes.just like rise was kind of loose remake of conquest of the battle of the apes.

as for Joss Whedon after serenity I would have said he could have made a decent X-men films but the whedon post avengers doesn't seem like he could do it.which is why I don't want him anywhere near X-Men after AOU.I am fan of his preagents of shield tv shows but at this point how low i think of his abiltys is i would prefer kinberg over him writing X-Men.

Vaughn's non first class films Is partly why i don't want him back.none of them wowed me like Singer's X_Men,X2,DOFP and Apocalypse and singer's non-X-Men films i liked the usual suspects,Valkyrie,and Superman Returns.I defently know some will bash me for saying I liked Superman Returns but i will take Singer's superman over the DCEU Superman anyday.

When you consider that they were able to do what few thought and get the cast back for last stand and get original cast back for DOFP they could actully get the FC cast back even lawrence.although i really don't have much desire to see her version of mystique again it's not crazy they could get her back if they could get halle berry back after X2.

 

[Tymminator]

I'm from the Twin Cities area, and with the new releases of Tarzan and BFG, X-Men: Apocalypse has completely left from the 3 out of the 4 AMCs close to me in the city and suburbs, and the one it's in is only has one scheduled time. I figure it will be at the dollar theaters soon by me, probably roughly the same time as Civil War appears.

 

[iacobusleo]

It makes sense for Mystique in this interpretation of the X-Men. It's fine really, that's how they've built her up in the FC trilogy.

I'd argue that Mystique staying around as teacher does not actually make sense based on how they've built her up in the FC trilogy.

Mystique's entire story arc is being her own independent woman, free from both Charles and Erik. It's perfectly fine if she drops in and out as the occasional guest mentor to the young X-Men, but her coming home permanently undercuts it IMO.

I'd prefer the approach suggested by X-Maniac, where she goes to form Freedom Force. I guess that's still on the table for now though. She may just be present for the formation of the team but does not actually stick around.

 

[Random490]

I'd argue that Mystique staying around as teacher does not actually make sense based on how they've built her up in the FC trilogy.

Mystique's entire story arc is being her own independent woman, free from both Charles and Erik. It's perfectly fine if she drops in and out as the occasional guest mentor to the young X-Men, but her coming home permanently undercuts it IMO.

I'd prefer the approach suggested by X-Maniac, where she goes to form Freedom Force. I guess that's still on the table for now though. She may just be present for the formation of the team but does not actually stick around.

Personally I think it does make sense. Since days of future past she's become a hero and symbol to mutants around the world. She's been running from that unwilling to accept it. But seeing the team form together she sees how important and beneficial she is and she comes to terms with it.

 

[iacobusleo]

Personally I think it does make sense. Since days of future past she's become a hero and symbol to mutants around the world. She's been running from that unwilling to accept it. But seeing the team form together she sees how important and beneficial she is and she comes to terms with it.

I'm fine with her becoming a teacher, its just the idea that she's come back home permanently is whats bothering me (that's what Kinberg intended based on his interviews). Thats not explicit in the movie though. All we know is that she's become the mentor figure second to Charles.

But eh its not a deal breaker for me like how it is for most other people. I just wish the writing was tighter.

 

[Smilodon]

I think the idea for her is that she's come back home full circle but as a completely different person - she's there by choice, she's independent, a hero etc. etc. I do agree it's kinda unclear though and could've been handled better.

 

[YoungBlood]

Went on the IMDb forums, instantly regret it.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Went on the IMDb forums, instantly regret it.

yeah stay out of there if your fan of films.Some still try Singer for 2014 allegations even though accusor story fell apart.

If you think this forum with those wanting X-men to MCU is bad it's ten times worse there.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Went on the IMDb forums, instantly regret it.

Yeah that's not a nice place, it was still pretty bad even before the films release.

 

[Adhesive Boy]

Went on the IMDb forums, instantly regret it.

That's a terrible place for most kinds of movie discussions.

 

[YoungBlood]

That's a terrible place for most kinds of movie discussions.

IMDb forum way of thinking: If it not a part of popular consensus or what the masses like, then its a bad movie and deserves to be bashed.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

It's great to know X-men fans still post here.

 

[BeholdMe]

Im Team Gold I don't care which studio has the XFranchise just as long as they are handled correctly. Right now Fox-Singer is dropping the ball with them, you have a dynamic group of superheroes but still they resort to focusing on the same 4 characters which hopefully will change as Apocalypse did make me hopeful that they were. I'm glad with what Singer brought to the Franchise but right now I just feel he needs to bow out you can love the XCharacters and still not get them and after all this time he seems to not fully get them.

 

[psylockolussus]

When you consider that they were able to do what few thought and get the cast back for last stand and get original cast back for DOFP they could actully get the FC cast back even lawrence.although i really don't have much desire to see her version of mystique again it's not crazy they could get her back if they could get halle berry back after X2.

Not comparable when one actor wanted more role which would have been so beneficial to a character like Storm. the other one, didn't want to be in blue paint.

 

[Tymminator]

Well, to all my stateside X-Fan peeps, Happy 4th of July!

 

[psylockolussus]

*Inserts a gif of Jubilee's power display in X-Men: Apocalypse*

Oh wait, that was not in the movie .

 

[2kt09]

Belated Independence Day

 

[spideyboy_1111]

For sake of simplicity I will divide the X-Fandom into the following 3 classes.

Red Class: At your very core of your fandom, if you are a person who likes Fox's version of X-Men and want them to always be with Fox no matter what and that's how you feel, you are a Fox X-Men loyalist. That’s a totally valid way to feel and a totally valid side to be on.

Blue Class: At your very core of your fandom, if you are a person who likes the idea of a MCU version of X-Men and want them to be in the MCU no matter what and that's how you feel, than you’re primarily a MCU loyalist with eyes on the X-Men. That’s a totally valid way to feel and a totally valid side to be on.

Gold Class: At your very core of your fandom, if you are a person who just likes the X-Men characters and you don't care if it’s Marvel Studios or Fox who make the movies and as long as you enjoy them and as long as the stories are good, then you are primarily an X-Men loyalist foremost with no studio attachments. That’s a totally valid way to feel and a totally valid side to be on.

These are all viable and equally valid positions as fans, and as fans it should be totally fine to talk, debate, agree or disagree with each other. It should be all good.

We are all fans on a board about comic-book characters…, it’s OK if we have different ideas of what is best for future movies on these characters.

I'm totally Gold Class.. and proud of it. I feel like the X-men regardless of what happens shouldn't be fully integrated into the MCU, but some crossovers are important and help flesh out both franchises... and truthfully while Marvel probably isn't the only place of ideas capable of doing X-men Proper.. they'd do a lot more faithful job than what FOX has... I do feel like many of those who are major supporters of the current franchise are likely so because they were introduced to the X-men from the movies... and that kind of nostalgia is hard to fight against regardless.. some just don't want to let go. And while that's completely ok.. one has to also realize faults and not really turn a blind eye to them either.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

yeah stay out of there if your fan of films.Some still try Singer for 2014 allegations even though accusor story fell apart.

If you think this forum with those wanting X-men to MCU is bad it's ten times worse there.

well...... while that's a whole other issue.. when there's smoke...... there's usually fire.. regardless of if one of the latest accusations failed or not... But lets also not forget singer is just a human, not a god. His art and personal life are 2 different things.. you can hate chris brown but still like his music.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Because when people mention the MCU approach, 90% of the time it means or is interpreted as "give the rights back to Marvel".

I'm not a fan of the MCU method, because things have become boring, for me. I don't want that to happen with X-men. Which is why, even though I really loved Apocalypse, I am glad to see Singer go and new blood to come in. New blood is need every now and again to refresh the franchise.

and the X-men films are also becoming boring and predictable for many viewers too... there's just as much new blood in the MCU as the X-men films.. but for some reason people like yourself don't see that...

x-men's new blood was Jean/Scott/Kurt/Jubilee/angel/nightcrawler/psylocke while Marvel also now has ... Spider-Man/BlackPanther/Ant-man/Guardians of the Galaxy/Vision/Scarlet Witch/ and Doctor Strange... just to name a few... both are mixes of new blood and old blood and an ever growing franchise cast list...

both franchises are lulling on some things and both are constantly gaining new blood as well..

 

[ironman29758]

I'm totally Gold Class.. and proud of it. I feel like the X-men regardless of what happens shouldn't be fully integrated into the MCU, but some crossovers are important and help flesh out both franchises... and truthfully while Marvel probably isn't the only place of ideas capable of doing X-men Proper.. they'd do a lot more faithful job than what FOX has... I do feel like many of those who are major supporters of the current franchise are likely so because they were introduced to the X-men from the movies... and that kind of nostalgia is hard to fight against regardless.. some just don't want to let go. And while that's completely ok.. one has to also realize faults and not really turn a blind eye to them either.

I'm honestly on Gold Class, and I agree one must realize it's faults and shouldn't turn a blind eye to it. Fox was at fault for many of X-Men's flaws, especially under Tom Rothman.

But I also came back to X-Men films years after being done with it, not going to see a single movie in theater(Apocalypse was honestly my first film), the Bryan Singer films in particular have had quality moments and brought something new to the table.


Personally I think the best option is create a Creative board (not unlike DCEU brain trust or MS Creative comittee) in order to plan out a more cohesive X-Men film universe. Honestly I want a competent director and writer (With Bryan Singer and/or Simon Kinberg as advisory board instead of directors) to take the Apocalypse cast and do something inspired with them, instead of starting all over again with a new cast. But if we have to, I honestly want a cast of teens who can deliver a riveting performance as X-Men.

Regardless of faults X-Men. Would MS do a better job, most definitely yes. But at the same time, there are benefits in working with Fox, especially if they take what they use and really go to town, because I think it has the perfect set up in building a brand new X-Men movie universe to be perfectly honest.

 

[thegameq]

Blue.

Huge fan of the comics (70s-80s, some 90s). The dynamic of the X-men is something that would be incredible to behold. The diversity of characters, stories and power sets is something that would easily resonate with the GA and make the X-men the blockbuster it deserves to be.

If Marvel Studios were to do the X-men it is unquestionable that it would probably be the most faithful/accurate representation of the comics. Both humor and drama would coexist side-by-side as they do in the comics.

The social commentary would still be there, but it would not drown out the scifi and fantasy aspects that make up the X-men proper.

Most of the characters would get a chance to shine--be well developed and serve a purpose to the story other than being than cannon fodder.

Take a step back......listen to all the complaints everyone has had over the years about Singer/Fox and this franchise--pay particular attention to repeat complaints that have plagued the X-films. Would they not be fixed and addressed if the X-men were handled by Marvel Studios....?

Do you want all the complaints fixed....? Do you want Storm to be Storm or are you willing to settle? Spidey fans aren't settling--why do we X-men fans have to settle? What's so horrible about a more accurate version (MCU) of the X-men?

Would a MCU version of the X-men really be so terrible?

 

[magneto23]

Most of the characters would get a chance to shine--be well developed and serve a purpose to the story other than being than cannon fodder.

I can't buy this argument. At least not completely. Maybe most of the characters would be treated well and developed/given purpose in the X-Men films. Maybe. But "most" sure as hell won't be given a chance to shine when the inevitable crossovers shows up. And we all know there would be quite a few of these types of events. There would be way too much screen sharing going on with the Avengers and/or FF instead of sharing screen time with other mutants/X-Men.

Spidey fans aren't settling--why do we X-men fans have to settle? What's so horrible about a more accurate version (MCU) of the X-men?

He's a single character though. X-Men is a team of characters. Integrating a single character is nothing compared to integrating the world of mutants and the X-Men.

 

[YoungBlood]

Blue.

Huge fan of the comics (70s-80s, some 90s). The dynamic of the X-men is something that would be incredible to behold. The diversity of characters, stories and power sets is something that would easily resonate with the GA and make the X-men the blockbuster it deserves to be.

If Marvel Studios were to do the X-men it is unquestionable that it would probably be the most faithful/accurate representation of the comics. Both humor and drama would coexist side-by-side as they do in the comics.

The social commentary would still be there, but it would not drown out the scifi and fantasy aspects that make up the X-men proper.

Most of the characters would get a chance to shine--be well developed and serve a purpose to the story other than being than cannon fodder.

Take a step back......listen to all the complaints everyone has had over the years about Singer/Fox and this franchise--pay particular attention to repeat complaints that have plagued the X-films. Would they not be fixed and addressed if the X-men were handled by Marvel Studios....?

Do you want all the complaints fixed....? Do you want Storm to be Storm or are you willing to settle? Spidey fans aren't settling--why do we X-men fans have to settle? What's so horrible about a more accurate version (MCU) of the X-men?

Would a MCU version of the X-men really be so terrible?

It depends, will you stop commenting on here.

Once again, your argument are crap. Every time you comment on here, you're always attacking X-Men fans because they don't follow the status quo that almost every other Marvel fan is doing or just because they like the Bryan Singer movies. Why can't you get it through your head that most of us don't want a MCU version of X-Men. Do we want more accurate portrayals of the the characters? Of course we do Do we want to see them become second fiddle to Avengers and get side tracked if they were ever to go back to Marvel? I'm pretty sure most of us don't want to see that happen, but it could happen. You really need to get over it. If you don't like the movies then that's on you, but stop trying to make people feel dumb or ashamed because they like them. because you're never gonna change what they like, at least not for me.

 

[Tymminator]

Blue.

Huge fan of the comics (70s-80s, some 90s). The dynamic of the X-men is something that would be incredible to behold. The diversity of characters, stories and power sets is something that would easily resonate with the GA and make the X-men the blockbuster it deserves to be.

If Marvel Studios were to do the X-men it is unquestionable that it would probably be the most faithful/accurate representation of the comics. Both humor and drama would coexist side-by-side as they do in the comics.

The social commentary would still be there, but it would not drown out the scifi and fantasy aspects that make up the X-men proper.

Most of the characters would get a chance to shine--be well developed and serve a purpose to the story other than being than cannon fodder.

Take a step back......listen to all the complaints everyone has had over the years about Singer/Fox and this franchise--pay particular attention to repeat complaints that have plagued the X-films. Would they not be fixed and addressed if the X-men were handled by Marvel Studios....?

Do you want all the complaints fixed....? Do you want Storm to be Storm or are you willing to settle? Spidey fans aren't settling--why do we X-men fans have to settle? What's so horrible about a more accurate version (MCU) of the X-men?

Would a MCU version of the X-men really be so terrible?

I'm confident a MCU X-Men would be interesting and I would like to see it, I just kinda hate the idea that all of the new kids introduced in Apocalypse would not get to really go forward.

In the end though no matter what we guess or assume, we won't really know what the next steps are until after Wolverine 3, IMO.

If they go the route of still keeping the new kids, I personally hope the time jumps stop, but that's just me.