Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 42

[GuestStar2004]

Well if that's his job, he's not doing it.

When i say mapped i mean so the universe doesn't sway out of control, he will fill in blanks for other writers and directors that come onboard so they don't have to watch every X-men movie to cache up.

 

[RalphieRandy]

when did i say "all people" i didn't. nothing is that black and white.. but the majority certainly do...

I didn't claim that you said "all people". Calm the hell down.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I didn't claim that you said "all people". Calm the hell down.

I'm pretty calm... but thanks for showing you're not. Lol

 

[X-Maniac]

what is "ordinary people" id wager anyone who frequents social media or uses an app like Flixter uses rotten tomatoes... I mean if you're just a casual internet user.. fine.. but that's pretty much people 40+ 40 and under .... all are probably quite ordinary, use social media alot .. and probably check out RT on occasion in one form or another.

Suicide Squad says hello. As Deadline reports, it has the third-best domestic opening of 2016 to date, the second best of the summer (after Captain America: Civil War‘s $179.1M) and the best opening of Will Smith’s career. And that's despite a critical drubbing.

That illustrates why I disagree with your views entirely. I think you're totally wrong. I do not think a majority of people refer to RT before they go to see a movie.

RT gets quoted by those who think its ratings are important, and by those who want to justify their own verdict of a movie ("See, told you so, it really does suck cos the RT rating is only 27 per cent, so everyone hates it. You're opinion is wrong.")

The ordinary person might see a review in a newspaper, or the review rating at a cinema website when they check out the screening times. Someone on FB asked me about Suicide Squad because they'd seen a bad review in The Guardian, someone else at work said they were going to see Suicide Squad because they were looking forward to it - in spite of a bad review they read in my own local newspaper (which takes its film reviews from the Press Association, the paper has no dedicated reviewer of its own these days). No mention of RT by either of those people. Both were aiming to go and see the movie despite the poor reviews they read.

People who live a large part of their life online, on websites and forums, will of course be aware of RT. But that's not representative of the population in general. Otherwise stuff like Transformers wouldn't keep being a massive hit.

Lots of money these days comes from China releases. People in China don't bother with RT. There are hardly any Chinese films on RT. It's not part of the Chinese view of the world. They go to see a movie because it appeals to them. Warcraft did amazingly well in China despite a crappy rating on RT. No one in China cared about that.

You're thinking within some sort of narrow bubble occupied by online geeks and self-important millennials who think their world is the only world. That ain't reality.

 

[psylockolussus]

Yes Suicide Squad did well, but still a lot of people made a big deal about the RT score. You are acting like RT is just some small website with few hits. The fact that hundreds of critics are sending their reviews to that site, is something you can not just dismiss as a site "that nobody cares about".

 

[X-Maniac]

Yes Suicide Squad did well, but still a lot of people made a big deal about the RT score. You are acting like RT is just some small website with few hits. The fact that hundreds of critics are sending their reviews to that site, is something you can not just dismiss as a site "that nobody cares about".

Whatever 'big deal' people made about the RT score seems to have had virtually no effect on the opening weekend's box office.

So much for that 26 per cent score on RT when the movie broke the August opening record.

I have never ever ever heard anyone who was going to see - or NOT going to see - a movie because of RT.

The two people I know who went to see Suicide Squad did NOT look at RT and both went to see it despite the negative reviews they had read in a newspaper.

I don't see how you can argue when you compare the RT score of Suicide Squad with how well the movie did on its first weekend. They prove that site does not matter one bit.

RT is not as essential to people's lives as you are saying. It's just an interesting thing to see critics' scores stacked up into an overall rating.

 

[LoganGambit87]

all Suicide Squad shows is WB has a superior marketing team than FOX since XMA is probably the better made film and has a higher critical rating than SS yet Suicide Squad's opening weekend is almost as high as XMA overall domestic intake

 

[X-Maniac]

all Suicide Squad shows is WB has a superior marketing team than FOX since XMA is probably the better made film and has a higher critical rating than SS yet Suicide Squad's opening weekend is almost as high as XMA overall domestic intake

Well, whatever the Suicide Squad situation, there is something seriously wrong with the domestic take/appeal of X-Men: Apocalypse - compared with this year's other superhero movies, compared with the other X-Men movies and compared with the expectations.

New blood is definitely needed.

 

[LoganGambit87]

Well, whatever the Suicide Squad situation, there is something seriously wrong with the domestic take/appeal of X-Men: Apocalypse - compared with this year's other superhero movies, compared with the other X-Men movies and compared with the expectations.

New blood is definitely needed.

the marketing just sucked while i really enjoyed XMA but the trailers didn't blow anyone away and were just decent looking it is why it had a 65million opening weekend it had no buzz or excitement

dc films quality aside they know how to market a film to make it feel epic event of the year and must see and always deliver amazing trailers the Wonder woman trailer is another great example

 

[psylockolussus]

Whatever 'big deal' people made about the RT score seems to have had virtually no effect on the opening weekend's box office.

So much for that 26 per cent score on RT when the movie broke the August opening record.

I have never ever ever heard anyone who was going to see - or NOT going to see - a movie because of RT.

The two people I know who went to see Suicide Squad did NOT look at RT and both went to see it despite the negative reviews they had read in a newspaper.

I don't see how you can argue when you compare the RT score of Suicide Squad with how well the movie did on its first weekend. They prove that site does not matter one bit.

RT is not as essential to people's lives as you are saying. It's just an interesting thing to see critics' scores stacked up into an overall rating.

I am not arguing about RT having an effect at the box-office.

The issue is your earlier statement that "nobody cares about Rotten Tomatoes" which is false given how the internet/movie industry/press give a crap about it.

 

[X-Maniac]

I am not arguing about RT having an effect at the box-office.

The issue is your earlier statement that "nobody cares about Rotten Tomatoes" which is false given how the internet/movie industry/press give a crap about it.

Well, I meant nobody in the real world... the actual people seeing these films.

RT might have an effect on a film's legs, as someone else mentioned. But in general, viewers will go to what they feel like going to.

 

[RalphieRandy]

I'm pretty calm... but thanks for showing you're not. Lol

And in what way am I not?

 

[marvelrobbins]

Well, they will catch up with Deadpool (in other words, catch up with the present day) in three films.

Singer says they are doing one movie in every decade. With Apocalypse being in the 80s, and the next one likely to be in the 1990s, that leaves two more films after that to get it into modern times. Since they usually conceive them as a trilogy, that would bring the X-Men into the present day. The same time period as Deadpool, whether they interact with him or not.

The next trilogy could be set as follows: 1990-1999, 2000-2009, and 2010-2019.

The only thing with that is that we're already in 2016, and by the time they do that trilogy, another decade could have passed by the time of the third film, lol...

Your assuming the decade hopping is going to keep contuning.

Singer's involement is up in the air for future films.Since Kinberg is closest thing they have to runner it matters more what he says.and there may be other reasons why Kinberg is planning to jump to early 1990's.like wanting to have X-Men be exceperenced team and have history withe ach other.and many forget early 1990's was X-Men's peak of popularity with best selling comics and top rated animated show.

jumping to present means scraping their entire cast,and recasting with older
actors since it's very very unlikely any OT cast returns after Jackman walks out the door with wolverine solo film.and as far as we know Patrick stewart is only other OT actor joining Jackman in that film.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Well, whatever the Suicide Squad situation, there is something seriously wrong with the domestic take/appeal of X-Men: Apocalypse - compared with this year's other movies, compared with the other X-Men movies and compared with the expectations.

New blood is definitely needed.

People need to accept especilly with how marvel has treated X-Men since launch of MCU and disney buying them X-Men doesn't have the great appeal
to GA.plus while X-Men films aren't devoid of humor they will always be more serious.SS in promation and with reshoots tried to be more marvel like which seems to be the problem.X-Men deals with themes GA really doesn't want to
think about.

Deadpool is a totaly different ballgame.deadpool is more comedic character.GA were drawn to him like they were MCY film version of stark.Although Deadpool has some adult things in it that you would never
find In MCU film.Deadpool takes the piss out of entire genre.and it seems like that will continue in sequels.

all 3 DCEU films have rotten ratings.both Surcide squad and Batman V SUperman have worse reviews than Apocalypse.

here is thing to consider Badly reviewed apocalypse did about as well domesticly as highly praised first Class.

While time travel and sentinles gave GA something different with DOFP time to admit return of OC was a factor.

as for new blood comments Kinberg isn't going anywhere.it's very clear
he is writing and producing.and he is closest thing to an overseer that fox
has for film.

Singer's involvement is questable for future.Noone knows what he is doing next since there has been absolutle no news on 20,000 Leagues under the sea.that doesn't mean he has any involement in future X-men films.

all we know on next film is Kinberg is going to write it.

The question is how many of new cast members for apocalypse they have
under contract will be back.

will James Mcavoy,Michael fassbender,Jennifer Lawrence,and Nicholas Hoult be resigned

does evan peter have another film on his contract

since Kinberg seems to have an inkling to do better version of dark phoenix.
Singer once mentioning proteus is ilrelvent since he may not have any involvement with future X-Men films.Although Kinberg suggested the essex corp in post credit scene would connect to gambit film and next X-men film
as well as next wolverine film so Sinister could be villain of next X-Men film.

whoever fox hires to direct the question is will it still feel like sequel to FC/DOFP/Apocalypse.

 

[Havok83]

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[DavidHaller]

not sure if it was posted yet, but new concept art for Apocalypse by Jared Krichevsky.
I love the design and especially the glowing eyes and sci fi tech-feel of it. Very comicbook Apocalype.

 

[X-Maniac]

not sure if it was posted yet, but new concept art for Apocalypse by Jared Krichevsky.
I love the design and especially the glowing eyes and sci fi tech-feel of it. Very comicbook Apocalype.

It could have worked, if done with motion capture and CGI.

The closest to a good fit for Apoc in an actual living person is the so-called 'Russian giant', the wrestler Nikolai Sergeyevich Valuev.

 

[psylockolussus]

Well, I meant nobody in the real world... the actual people seeing these films.

RT might have an effect on a film's legs, as someone else mentioned. But in general, viewers will go to what they feel like going to.

And you don't think a person who isn't a movie buff won't look at the internet if a film is worth seeing or if it got great reviews especially if they are gonna spend their money?

 

[marvelrobbins]

one thing it appears some have missed going round and round is the new X-Men related tv show which is replacing hellfire with have in fox tv head's words
"Iconic Characters" on it.

also one of things that killed hellfire was apparently it felt too much like part of
X-Men films so hellfire probally unlike legion defently would have tied into films
somehow.

be intresting to see if TBA show will be part on film contunity or like CW shows or gotham set in stand alone contunity which has different versions of characters in films.

 

[BeholdMe]

I personally don't care for RT on whether I see a movie or not and neither do my friends/associates we like to base our own judgment on a film and not get persuaded by what others say. If the trailer for a movie looks good then I'll likely go see it I don't rely on RT. There was a lot of stuff wrong with Apocalypsr but overall a good movie but many missing parts that hurt the film. I'm a little nervous as well that we haven't heard much anything about the next film even though they have other projects. I'm also disappointed they are still using Kinberg his ideas are not good and we need someone who can take this franchise to the next level, sorry not Singer nor Kinberg.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Suicide Squad says hello. As Deadline reports, it has the third-best domestic opening of 2016 to date, the second best of the summer (after Captain America: Civil War‘s $179.1M) and the best opening of Will Smith’s career. And that's despite a critical drubbing.

That illustrates why I disagree with your views entirely. I think you're totally wrong. I do not think a majority of people refer to RT before they go to see a movie.

RT gets quoted by those who think its ratings are important, and by those who want to justify their own verdict of a movie ("See, told you so, it really does suck cos the RT rating is only 27 per cent, so everyone hates it. You're opinion is wrong.")

The ordinary person might see a review in a newspaper, or the review rating at a cinema website when they check out the screening times. Someone on FB asked me about Suicide Squad because they'd seen a bad review in The Guardian, someone else at work said they were going to see Suicide Squad because they were looking forward to it - in spite of a bad review they read in my own local newspaper (which takes its film reviews from the Press Association, the paper has no dedicated reviewer of its own these days). No mention of RT by either of those people. Both were aiming to go and see the movie despite the poor reviews they read.

People who live a large part of their life online, on websites and forums, will of course be aware of RT. But that's not representative of the population in general. Otherwise stuff like Transformers wouldn't keep being a massive hit.

Lots of money these days comes from China releases. People in China don't bother with RT. There are hardly any Chinese films on RT. It's not part of the Chinese view of the world. They go to see a movie because it appeals to them. Warcraft did amazingly well in China despite a crappy rating on RT. No one in China cared about that.

You're thinking within some sort of narrow bubble occupied by online geeks and self-important millennials who think their world is the only world. That ain't reality.

yes.. suicide squad says hello.. proving both my points. suicide squad had a major drop off this weekend... proving that people will go see anything they really want to see initially.. but reviews and word of mouth will keep people away after the first day or 2 of a film release.

it's not all that black and white.. There was no way SS was not going to have a major opening.. anything with Joker sells... and Harley Quinn is a pretty massive draw as well and its her first time on the big screen. If those 2 weren't in the film... the film would have bombed completely.

some films are immune to reviews... especially initially.. the Transformer films always make alot of money and the films are terrible. That doesn't mean people don't pay attention to RT.. it just means they don't care about reviews for certain films. This is not a black and white thing.. where it's always one way or the other.. and it'd be just as arrogant and ignorant to think so.

just as it is completely ignorant to suggest RT has no effect on the general public. If people are on the fence about a film.. they will most definitely pay attention to RT...

RT is going to hurt a long running franchise that the GA finds a little "over" more so than a brand new film with characters that majority of the GA absolutely love to see... this is why RT is going to effect a film like X-men more so than anything with Batman or Joker in it... (RT arguably also had an effect on Man of Steel) it's all about the films and the properties they are using...

I can guarantee the spider-man reboot (just like the past reboot) will have more people paying attention to the RT scores than the raimi films.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Suicide squad has apparently had a 79% drop so something has hurt it.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Word of mouth is different from RT critics you know? That's why it went down. Even then no one can really know if a good RT score will always increase returns especially RT as I remember the new Ghostbusters got good reviews...erm. yeah... these people clearly don't always speak for the audience as a whole.

I liked both SS and BvS that being said the latter I only watched the extended cut version.

 

[Sithborg]

Suicide squad has apparently had a 79% drop so something has hurt it.

That's comparing the second Friday to the first Friday, which includes previews. So that drop is always going to be fairly large. They are still looking at around a 70% drop this weekend.

 

[X-Maniac]

yes.. suicide squad says hello.. proving both my points. suicide squad had a major drop off this weekend... proving that people will go see anything they really want to see initially.. but reviews and word of mouth will keep people away after the first day or 2 of a film release.

it's not all that black and white.. There was no way SS was not going to have a major opening.. anything with Joker sells... and Harley Quinn is a pretty massive draw as well and its her first time on the big screen. If those 2 weren't in the film... the film would have bombed completely.

some films are immune to reviews... especially initially.. the Transformer films always make alot of money and the films are terrible. That doesn't mean people don't pay attention to RT.. it just means they don't care about reviews for certain films. This is not a black and white thing.. where it's always one way or the other.. and it'd be just as arrogant and ignorant to think so.

just as it is completely ignorant to suggest RT has no effect on the general public. If people are on the fence about a film.. they will most definitely pay attention to RT...

RT is going to hurt a long running franchise that the GA finds a little "over" more so than a brand new film with characters that majority of the GA absolutely love to see... this is why RT is going to effect a film like X-men more so than anything with Batman or Joker in it... (RT arguably also had an effect on Man of Steel) it's all about the films and the properties they are using...

I can guarantee the spider-man reboot (just like the past reboot) will have more people paying attention to the RT scores than the raimi films.

You're still talking like someone immersed in online forums and Los Angeles/Hollywood movie culture.

RT does NOT matter to the ordinary person.

The ordinary person has NOT heard of Harley Quinn, so that is zero reason for the film's appeal. Her portrayal in trailers might have looked enticing, but Mrs and Mrs Average haven't a clue who she is.

Will Smith would have been a big draw, though he is always Will Smith in his roles and, despite his onscreen charisma, he has the acting range of a lettuce leaf.

Suicide Squad did massively well in spite of reviews because cinemagoers don't care about RT aggregation ratings, or for the individual ratings in newspapers and blogs. They go if the trailer or concept appeals to them. Suicide Squad had an edgy pop-culture vibe that geeks and millennials will love. It was like the edginess of Deadpool crossed with the team-up concept of Avengers.

I just saw it, and it's quite fun, nothing like the reviews indicated. It did a good job of slotting into the DC movieverse. A few things I didn't like (mostly Enchantress), but it does indicate that critics are out of touch, so RT is essentially a collection of out-of-touch views, biases and clickbait critiques. Not a good way to form an impression of whether to see a movie.

But, getting back to X-Men, it just didn't have the appeal to audiences. Disregard the RT rating which, although quite poor, doesn't reflect what I am talking about here: the film's appeal to the ordinary cinemagoer. That was seriously lacking. Bad news for the studio's overcooked reliance on Jennifer Lawrence. Bad news for the studio's undercooked portrayal of Psylocke by pop-culture favourite Olivia Munn. Lots of misjudging of the market going on here. They shot themselves in the cojones.