Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 42

[marvelrobbins]

Christopher M on twitter said:



You can make a good story with Cable, Sinister, Jean and Scott.

If cable is in a X-Men film for some reason he will time travel to 1990's.they could even after deadpool II show cable has past with X-Men in next X-Men film as part of lead up to X-force.

this confirms fox is contuning trilogy model with deadpool and X-force.

 

[def28]

Trilogy model is kinda of gone, the stories for Deadpol and Cable are gonna be told over a number of films due to being the stars of 2 properties. Which means Domino's will likely be the same. Not to mention the crossovers. Much different multi picture deals then we have heard before for this property I believe. This is a deal for being a star in over 5 movies and others. More equivalent to the MCU deals then past X-Men.

They likely won't stop with Deadpool 3 and X-Force 3 if both are a success, they will just renegotiate just like with X-Men. Depends on the cash in 10 years. If said deal is true, then we can toss out reboot talk for another decade unless the quality goes down cause this is a long term deal.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Trilogy model is kinda of gone, the rumor is the Cable deal is being set for over 5 movies with him. It's a full expanded universe deal. The stories for Deadpol and Cable are gonna be told over a number of films due to being the stars of 2 properties. Which means Domino's will likely be the same, while Deadpool will be 6. Not to mention the crossovers. Much different multi picture deals then we have heard before I believe.

They won't stop with Deadpool 3 and X-Force 3 if both are a success, they will just renegotiate just like with X-Men.

if there is another X-Men film.Original cast is done now that jackman is gone.

Deadpool II and III would be completing a Deadpool trilogy.and then they have X_force trilogy.New mutants could also be trilogy.

Gambit is question mark.

Wolverine next march may be last time we see any of the core X-Men till the day they do complete reboot.which may be backup plan if audences don't respond to new mutants and X-Force.

Everything seems to suggest Deadpool,X-foce,and New mutants is what fox plans to focus on.With gambit a possibilty if it ever gets made.

Apocalypse may end up untill reboot the final chapter of full X-Men films with wolverine as the epilogue.and that too with X-23 may be setting up X-force.

 

[def28]

Yeah, things are too quiet on Gambit. Unless he's part of X-Force I don't see where he's gonna tie in well.

I really don't think Deadpool will only be 3 movies. More so just the deal for Cable at the moment is rumored to be for 2. Cable doesn't need to be in every Deadpool film. Due to makeup and a costume Reynolds should be able to play him for quite sometime even when he is too old. There would be no reason for Fox to stop if it's still making money.

 

[Smilodon]

I don't think the trilogy model is necessarily dead at least in terms of solo films, as Iron Man, Cap and Thor have all gotten trilogies and they'll probably stop there and just keep their appearances in larger team up films. The stories of those characters will keep going, but the films themselves will phase them out in favor of newer stories with newer characters.

So yeah, Deadpool may get only 3 solo films and the rest may just be team ups if god willing we ever get that far into the universe.

I would be kinda bummed if we get someone older than Hugh to be the centerpiece of a few more films down the line. I'm down for X-23 replacing Wolverine in certain films like X-Force, just because we need expand the character rosters and someone like X-23 is really ripe for breaking out as we kinda hit the peak of this genre and the GA can start accepting less conventional characters. But it would be cool to see Hugh interact in the more comic book-y world the FC trilogy laid out for us.

 

[def28]

The film trilogy format is dead in the sense that we no longer have films revolving around 1 solo IP like say Spider-Man 1-3 Blade or TDK trilogy.

I highly doubt we have seen the end of Iron Man or Cap films, but that won't be known for a few years as this deals with contracts and such things. Marvel won't just drop 2 billion dollar IP's for 10 years. Regardless you can't follow Cap and Iron Mans stories fully without watching the Avengers. With Iron Man now you have to watch Cap and Spider-Man to continue his story prior to IW. If you only saw X-Men 1-3 you would not know the full storyline of Logan, Jean or Prof X cause those are wrapped in The Wolverine, The Wolverine 3 and DOFP. If people want to know the set up for X-Force they likely will have to watch Deadpool 2, cause that's where three of it's main characters are coming from.

Solo films are simply not solo anymore. These stories keep going one way or the other, with characters crossing over from other films becoming the norm. None of these films work as strictly a cohesive trilogy, because their stories come from other places and don't end with their solos. Which is all awesome and how it should be imo, but the genres strorytelling has clearly evolved into something much grander now across Fox, DC and Marvel.

These 3 pic deals are not made for a strict plan to wrap things up anymore imo. They are made because it takes up a ridiculous time for an actor and studio to commit to. With a 3 pic solo plus 3 pic crossover deal it's pretty much a 10 year commitment. Doing anything beyond that is insane. It's much better to renegotiate after time is up and look how everything is playing, then lay out another deal. Obviously if things are playing well and agreements are in place the studio will want to bring people back for a lucrative property.

 

[Web-Head]

Christopher M on twitter said:



You can make a good story with Cable, Sinister, Jean and Scott.

That already sounds awesome. Sign me up

 

[GuestStar2004]

Marvel may not use the phrase trilogy anymore but we wil have to see whether we get a thor 4, captain america 4, iron man 4 act ect otherwise its pretty much the same thing as a trilogy even if their stories continue in other heroes stories, i don't think we will see iron man 4 anytime soon and thats why they are putting tony stark in everything but another movie called iron man.

I don't think FOX will abandon the trilogy format for the idea of an intertwining ongoing universe, i don't think they have it in them to do that.

 

[DavidHaller]

this shared universe format is so utterly flawed and annoying. Most scenes integrated into movies which try to expand the universe and tease follow-up movies help to disrupt the flow of these movies and produce tonal dissonances. for example, Thor's scenes in "Age of Ultron", Wolverine's cameo in "X-Men: Apocalypse", introducing the Justice League members in "Batman vs. Superman". etc. These scenes do not work!!

You can do a shared universe movie without (mis-)placing these annoying scenes into the plot.

I think adding up different trilogies which have invidiual movies with self-contained stories makes so much more sense. The X-Men universe should go on doing a third trilogy without bothering about this shared universe crap. I think it is important to produce a coherent narrative like a television series but without losing the focus what is actually the movie's storyline...in the end these movies are still movies and not television series.

 

[henzINNIT]

A shared universe plan doesn't have to be too thoroughly mapped out, but I think Fox would benefit from one eye on the future. At this point we should be beyond all the glaring continuity errors and wasted characters. That said, most of those issues would disappear if those in charge just checked against what they had done already, never mind what's to come.

I agree that the "universe building" material can stay away. We know the world these characters inhabit, we don't need teasers. That said, I'd greatly appreciate more clarity between projects so they can comfortably co-exist.

I had a big argument with a major film critic when i said her critiques were nothing more than 'the gin-soaked gabblings' of the out-of-touch. She took great offence, and i loved it!

Sounds like quite a victory...

 

[GuestStar2004]

I'd guess fox were more interested in the world building element then the shared universe element

 

[def28]

this shared universe format is so utterly flawed and annoying. Most scenes integrated into movies which try to expand the universe and tease follow-up movies help to disrupt the flow of these movies and produce tonal dissonances. for example, Thor's scenes in "Age of Ultron", Wolverine's cameo in "X-Men: Apocalypse", introducing the Justice League members in "Batman vs. Superman". etc. These scenes do not work!!

You can do a shared universe movie without (mis-)placing these annoying scenes into the plot.

I think adding up different trilogies which have invidiual movies with self-contained stories makes so much more sense. The X-Men universe should go on doing a third trilogy without bothering about this shared universe crap. I think it is important to produce a coherent narrative like a television series but without losing the focus what is actually the movie's storyline...in the end these movies are still movies and not television series.

Not gonna happen unless they reboot.

In the end these are big screen serials that were never gonna have just three films in the series. There was no ending to X-Men Apocalypse, it was to be continued.

Based on the source the characters are too numerous, the stories too grand and giving 2 hours for development is clearly not enough. As everyone on this board has pretty much always wanted more. Fox realized this year that other properties related to the franchise bring them a ****load more money. There is no way that isn't giving them the idea that having things in a shared universe won't be beneficial for other properties that may be losing power and interest.

The plans for Deadpool and Cable are clear. Multiple IP's and a shared universe. Fox one way or the other will not want them feeling separate, and will start building. It just depends on their execution. Shared universes are now the norm and there is no sign of that stopping. X-Men has to evolve along with that.

Marvel may not use the phrase trilogy anymore but we wil have to see whether we get a thor 4, captain america 4, iron man 4 act ect otherwise its pretty much the same thing as a trilogy even if their stories continue in other heroes stories, i don't think we will see iron man 4 anytime soon and thats why they are putting tony stark in everything but another movie called iron man.

I don't think FOX will abandon the trilogy format for the idea of an intertwining ongoing universe, i don't think they have it in them to do that.

Do you think Mcavoy, Fassbender and the young students confirmed gone and replaced?

I don't think there is any way Marvel would ditch their Iron Man or Cap IPs. They may be recasted, or have someone else take over the mantle like say Bucky or Falcon. But these IP's are far too valuable to just have disappear. There's no point since none of these films have ended and they are crucial to the world and the company income. From a business standpoint I don't even see this being up for consideration. It's billions in box office and billions in merch.

 

[psylockolussus]

Just go back to the present period and have the present period team cross-over with Deadpool/Gambit/X-Force! And have the New Mutants squad be trained by Cyclops or Storm.

 

[magneto23]

Just go back to the present period and have the present period team cross-over with Deadpool/Gambit/X-Force! And have the New Mutants squad be trained by Cyclops or Storm.

No way in hell can the "present day" cast last long enough to substantially crossover with this potential X-Force world they are trying to build. Half of them are going to be, or are already, too old. If that contract for the Cable character is to be believed, then they are clearly hoping for/planning for the long term. That's something that will take several years to build up. The "Present day" cast doesn't have the time. Plus their main star is retiring from the franchise. They done.

 

[Legion91]

No way in hell can the "present day" cast last long enough to substantially crossover with this potential X-Force world they are trying to build. Half of them are going to be, or are already, too old. If that contract for the Cable character is to be believed, then they are clearly hoping for/planning for the long term. That's something that will take several years to build up. The "Present day" cast doesn't have the time. Plus their main star is retiring from the franchise. They done.

I agree. And again, the problems with X-Men franchise are not the new cast or old cast. The new cast is fine and people love them (except, sadly, Jennifer Lawrence). The real problems with these movies are other.

 

[BeholdMe]

Just go back to the present period and have the present period team cross-over with Deadpool/Gambit/X-Force! And have the New Mutants squad be trained by Cyclops or Storm.

You need to let this fantasy go it not going to happen and you can bookmark me on that. Sadly Halle and Marsden would just be to old to continue doing this with many movies going forward. It's not going to happen and you need to let it go. They are not continuing forward with the OT if anything they will either revamp the team in the present or find some way to bring the team to the present.
I have no interest anymore seeing these same OT for the next 10+ plus years and they just aren't going to push forward with them no matter how much you want.

 

[Alison Blaire]

The people wants more movies with The lovely Original Cast.The New teen versions are boring.

 

[DavidHaller]

The people wants more movies with The lovely Original Cast.The New teen versions are boring.

sorry, but nobody on earth cares for Famke Janssen, James Mardsen or Halle Berry in these roles...

Only Patrick Steward and Wolverine are iconic in their roles and this is why they have been cast again for Wolverine III.

 

[Mad Ones]

Famke as Jean made me a comic book fan. I'd love to see her again.

That doesn't mean I don't like Turner and the new cast. I want to see the main X-men again. I don't really care which cast turns up because I liked both of them.

 

[Havok83]

sorry, but nobody on earth cares for Famke Janssen, James Mardsen or Halle Berry in these roles...

Only Patrick Steward and Wolverine are iconic in their roles and this is why they have been cast again for Wolverine III.

Nobody? Please speak for yourself. The OT cast were incredibly popular and have their fanbase. I dont need to see them again but there's no need to hate on them and act like they have no fans. Famke was pretty iconic as Jean. She helped define her to the mainstream unlike Halle whom I admit was quite criticized as Storm.

 

[Alison Blaire]

Thank you guys!!

 

[BeholdMe]

sorry, but nobody on earth cares for Famke Janssen, James Mardsen or Halle Berry in these roles...

Only Patrick Steward and Wolverine are iconic in their roles and this is why they have been cast again for Wolverine III.

Exactly

The people wants more movies with The lovely Original Cast.The New teen versions are boring.

Yea the whole 3 people who can't let the past go, do continue to bad mouth the young cast simply because it's not the OT. Only people who delivered in the OT are Stewart,McKellan and Jackman and possibly Famke the rest failed miserably. Also I don't hate the OT at all they just didn't do much with the roles.

 

[psylockolussus]

sorry, but nobody on earth cares for Famke Janssen, James Mardsen or Halle Berry in these roles...

Only Patrick Steward and Wolverine are iconic in their roles and this is why they have been cast again for Wolverine III.

Yeah not more than they care about the younger version that appeared in X-Men: Apocalypse....

*looks at Apocalypse's box-office numbers in the U.S. (lower than X1)*

Nobody care about Famke that she was brought back in Wolverine 2/DOFP. And nobody cared about James/Halle that they appeared in DC movies and both returned in DOFP?

Okay. Good luck to Sophie/Tye/Alexandra making it to their 4th X-Men movie! Maybe then there would already be a X-Men film that grossed lower than $100 million in North America!

 

[DavidHaller]

Yeah not more than they care about the younger version that appeared in X-Men: Apocalypse....

*looks at Apocalypse's box-office numbers in the U.S. (lower than X1)*

Nobody care about Famke that she was brought back in Wolverine 2/DOFP. And nobody cared about James/Halle that they appeared in DC movies and both returned in DOFP?

Okay. Good luck to Sophie/Tye/Alexandra making it to their 4th X-Men movie! Maybe then there would already be a X-Men film that grossed lower than $100 million in North America!

The situations are NOT comparable at all. It is not the cast's individual fault why this movie "failed" in the United States. The new cast has been cast in a series that is already 16 years old and most of them are unknown to mainstream audiences (of course they don't have a similar commercial pull because they are fresh ermerging actors and actresses while Halle Berry and Hugh Jackman are two of the biggest mainstream stars in the United States!) The orginal cast haven't been know the moment they have been cast but have been lucky that Singer re-vived the comic book genre. - The new cast just needs time and way better material to establish a fanbase.

Audiences get very tired of the nostalgia trend in movies at the moment and bringing the orginal cast back could be read as part of this dull nostalgia trend that will quickly backfire!

What the X-Men needs is a fresh new approach! The new cast is perfect for that. And Sophie Turner has probably more nerdy fanboy fans than James und Famke together at the moment.

 

[Zant]

Greg Weisman and Victor Cook should run the show.I feel they can successfully make the leap from tv to movies. What is Mark Miller's role again? Not sure what he does or if he is still involved with Fox.