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The people wants more movies with The lovely Original Cast.The New teen versions are boring.
What people? you mean some people in this forum? ah, well....

What i noticed is that this forum has problems with the new cast because he loves the old cast, but this has nothing to do with the x men franchise problems (you never read the reviews? comments? please..), the new cast is not the problem, and THIS IS A FACT.

Yeah, boring, in fact, when many people say that McAvoy and Fassbender are even better than Stewart and McKellen and that they are the best thing happened in x men movies is just a coincidence (yes, they say it).

Sophie Turner was much appreciated in the fandom, not to mention Evan Peters....

Yeah not more than they care about the younger version that appeared in X-Men: Apocalypse....

*looks at Apocalypse's box-office numbers in the U.S. (lower than X1)*

Nobody care about Famke that she was brought back in Wolverine 2/DOFP. And nobody cared about James/Halle that they appeared in DC movies and both returned in DOFP?

Okay. Good luck to Sophie/Tye/Alexandra making it to their 4th X-Men movie! Maybe then there would already be a X-Men film that grossed lower than $100 million in North America!
Seriously, again? do you really think that Apocalypse failed because the new cast? .-. Okay. Put the old cast in Apocalypse and it would not change anything.

You're continuing with this story just because you love the old cast more (i love them too actually, i am a huge fan of Stewart, Mckellen and Jackman), but x men Apocalypse sucks for other reasons.

The situations are NOT comparable at all. It is not the cast's individual fault why this movie "failed" in the United States. :whatever: The new cast has been cast in a series that is already 16 years old and most of them are unknown to mainstream audiences (of course they don't have a similar commercial pull because they are fresh ermerging actors and actresses while Halle Berry and Hugh Jackman are two of the biggest mainstream stars in the United States!) The orginal cast haven't been know the moment they have been cast but have been lucky that Singer re-vived the comic book genre. - The new cast just needs time and way better material to establish a fanbase.

Audiences get very tired of the nostalgia trend in movies at the moment and bringing the orginal cast back could be read as part of this dull nostalgia trend that will quickly backfire!

What the X-Men needs is a fresh new approach! The new cast is perfect for that. And Sophie Turner has probably more nerdy fanboy fans than James und Famke together at the moment.
Famke as Jean made me a comic book fan. I'd love to see her again.

That doesn't mean I don't like Turner and the new cast. I want to see the main X-men again. I don't really care which cast turns up because I liked both of them.
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Greg Weisman and Victor Cook should run the show.I feel they can successfully make the leap from tv to movies. What is Mark Miller's role again? Not sure what he does or if he is still involved with Fox.

I don't think he is still involved like since 2014.
 
Did Mark Millar do anything? I'm not even sure he was ever hired lol

You need to let this fantasy go it not going to happen and you can bookmark me on that. Sadly Halle and Marsden would just be to old to continue doing this with many movies going forward. It's not going to happen and you need to let it go. They are not continuing forward with the OT if anything they will either revamp the team in the present or find some way to bring the team to the present.
I have no interest anymore seeing these same OT for the next 10+ plus years and they just aren't going to push forward with them no matter how much you want.

Depends on the context they are used in. It's become unlikely that a traditional OT sequel will happen with a core cast pushing 50, however the generational aspect of the X-Men series leaves things wide open for a new team built around the younger members (Ice-Man, Rogue, Kitty etc), or even a completely new team with older cast members serving as mentor roles.

Until it's officially confirmed otherwise, many believe New Mutants would be a great way to breathe life into the team in a contemporary setting, while potentially satisfying those who miss the old faces too. I certainly think it's the best way forward, even moreso after the failures of Apocalypse.

OT fans aren't going away. Fox/Singer/whoever so far have allowed people to live in hope, and they will continue to do so. It's poetic that this conversation keeps repeating itself, because Singer has a habbit of doing that himself.

The situations are NOT comparable at all. It is not the cast's individual fault why this movie "failed" in the United States. :whatever: The new cast has been cast in a series that is already 16 years old and most of them are unknown to mainstream audiences (of course they don't have a similar commercial pull because they are fresh ermerging actors and actresses while Halle Berry and Hugh Jackman are two of the biggest mainstream stars in the United States!) The orginal cast haven't been know the moment they have been cast but have been lucky that Singer re-vived the comic book genre. - The new cast just needs time and way better material to establish a fanbase.

Audiences get very tired of the nostalgia trend in movies at the moment and bringing the orginal cast back could be read as part of this dull nostalgia trend that will quickly backfire!

What the X-Men needs is a fresh new approach! The new cast is perfect for that. And Sophie Turner has probably more nerdy fanboy fans than James und Famke together at the moment.

I'd ask what is a more tiresome gimmick? Nostalgia, or reboots?

Unique continuity aside, Apocalypse is a reboot with recast roles, and they're not exactly popular with general audiences either. In fact, I'd go further and say that it only really works out when a series has run itself so far into the ground that the best way forward is to start over (Batman Begins, MCU Spidey). This is not the case with X-Men. You could argue that it was a few years back, but DOFP brought back the original faces to great applause.
 
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time to face reality.

Deadpool's success may convince fox to continue franchise in spin-off films.

whatever the wolverine film ends up being called it almost certinly going to
be end of original cast now that Hugh jackman is out the door except for promating it.Patrick Stewart basiclly said this.

Ignoring Gambit which who knows if it will be made but then again that is what you could have said once about deadpool.you have after final wolverine deadpool sequels,new mutants,and X-force.

There is strong speculation based on comments and rumor fox is introducing X-23 in wolverine to fill wolverine's void in X-force.and it certinly sounds like
with X-force they want Cable to fill the wolverine in original trilogy role as
central character.

Xavier will be in New mutants yet Stewart believes wolverine is his last time
as Xavier that's a strong indiction new mutants will be done with Mcavoy.already they have been report claiming Mcavoy and shipp would be
In New mutants.

Some say fox won't recast wolverine but will recast entire X-Men team sans
wolverine for present/future? because that is what would happen to have
X-Men in present since orignial cast is done.

If fox does another X-Men film it's likely to be done set in past with younger
cast.

even though apocalypse only had cameo by Jackman it was putting an end to original trilogy version of characters.which deadpool made clear with
rebooted colossus.Wolverine film may serve as epilogue in sense as jackman and stewart's curtain call.If anyone else cameos then them too.

I am not exactly jumping for joy on end of original cast or prospect of X-men franchise now being deadpool,new mutants,X-force and maybe gambit but it defently looks like that is direction things are heading.

There are suspose to be iconic characters on fox tv show which is replacing
hellfire in devolpment if fox doesn't do anymore full X-men films that could open for new versions appearing on that.

The Main creative team for films are Kinberg and Donner.right now Singer's only involvement is getting executive producer credit on both legion and other tv show.
 
Did Mark Millar do anythingDepends on the context they are used in. It's become unlikely that a traditional OT sequel will happen with a core cast pushing 50, however the generational aspect of the X-Men series leaves things wide open for a new team built around the younger members (Ice-Man, Rogue, Kitty etc), or even a completely new team with older cast members serving as mentor roles.

Until it's officially confirmed otherwise, many believe New Mutants would be a great way to breathe life into the team in a contemporary setting, while potentially satisfying those who miss the old faces too. I certainly think it's the best way forward, even moreso after the failures of Apocalypse.

so you think they should replace the traditional team and have cameos from the OC just to make people who miss them happy?
OT fans aren't going away. Fox/Singer/whoever so far have allowed people to live in hope, and they will continue to do so. It's poetic that this conversation keeps repeating itself, because Singer has a habbit of doing that himself.

Actions speak louder then words, in another 10 years will this convo still be going on?



i'd ask what is a more tiresome gimmick? Nostalgia, or reboots?

Unique continuity aside, Apocalypse is a reboot with recast roles, and they're not exactly popular with general audiences either. In fact, I'd go further and say that it only really works out when a series has run itself so far into the ground that the best way forward is to start over (Batman Begins, MCU Spidey). This is not the case with X-Men. You could argue that it was a few years back, but DOFP brought back the original faces to great applause.
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Both can be just as tiring, just remember you was the one talking about the overuse of weapon x

It has to be remebered the series did run itself into the ground untill FC even the wolverine made less the FC domestically but by dofp the franchise become inconsistant, while continuity is very loose its not a proper reboot, its a timey wimey reboot that hasnt had the rules fully explained to the audience
 
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Did Mark Millar do anythingDepends on the context they are used in. It's become unlikely that a traditional OT sequel will happen with a core cast pushing 50, however the generational aspect of the X-Men series leaves things wide open for a new team built around the younger members (Ice-Man, Rogue, Kitty etc), or even a completely new team with older cast members serving as mentor roles.

Until it's officially confirmed otherwise, many believe New Mutants would be a great way to breathe life into the team in a contemporary setting, while potentially satisfying those who miss the old faces too. I certainly think it's the best way forward, even moreso after the failures of Apocalypse.

So you think they should replace the traditional team with the new mutants and have 1 or 2 cameos from the OC as supporting cast just to make people who miss them happy?

See i don't think FOX are seeing new mutants as a vehicle to use the OC again, they are seeing it as another a new set of characters to make movies with.

OT fans aren't going away. Fox/Singer/whoever so far have allowed people to live in hope, and they will continue to do so. It's poetic that this conversation keeps repeating itself, because Singer has a habbit of doing that himself.

Actions speak louder then words, its been 10 years since X3, jackmans leaving in 2017, so in another 10 years will this convo still be going on?

i'd ask what is a more tiresome gimmick? Nostalgia, or reboots?

Unique continuity aside, Apocalypse is a reboot with recast roles, and they're not exactly popular with general audiences either. In fact, I'd go further and say that it only really works out when a series has run itself so far into the ground that the best way forward is to start over (Batman Begins, MCU Spidey). This is not the case with X-Men. You could argue that it was a few years back, but DOFP brought back the original faces to great applause.

Both can be just as tiresome gimmick, especially after 6 movies, and just remember you was the one talking about the overuse of weapon X

It has to be remembered the series already did run itself into the ground until FC and by DOFP the franchise become inconsistent, its not a proper reboot its a timey wimey reboot which hasn't explained the rules to the audience so its likely confusing to understand.

And batman begins actually didn't do all that well at the box office if you compared batman begins $374 mil to the dark knight which jumped quite high up to just over a billion for its second movie which was probably a shock for WB.
 
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So you think they should replace the traditional team with the new mutants and have 1 or 2 cameos from the OC as supporting cast just to make people who miss them happy?

See i don't think FOX are seeing new mutants as a vehicle to use the OC again, they are seeing it as another a new set of characters to make movies with.

Regarding New Mutants specifically, it can work where-ever Fox choses to set it, so yes, I'd make it contemporary, and include some OT faces to make fans happy. It wouldn't harm the film one bit. I strongly believe New Mutants would work better in the present anyway, where they can be viewed truly as the "next generation". A cameo or two would be gravy.

I've not seen a particularly strong argument as to why setting this in the past where everyone is a youngster already would be better.


Outside of New Mutants, I don't believe Fox are interested in it, but I do believe that there are enough interesting characters in the present to have a strong, "non-traditional" team as well. Ice-Man, Rogue and Kitty are not B-list characters, they've just been underserved in this franchise. If you brought back Blink, Bishop, Sunspot and Warpath from the DOFP future scenes as well, you would have a very diverse team.

Actions speak louder then words, its been 10 years since X3, jackmans leaving in 2017, so in another 10 years will this convo still be going on?

Whatever is happening with X-Men films at that point, I'm sure it will be unrecognisable from the franchise as it stands today. If I was to guess, people will be discussing all of the opportunities that have been missed over the years.


Both can be just as tiresome gimmick, especially after 6 movies, and just remember you was the one talking about the overuse of weapon X

It has to be remembered the series already did run itself into the ground until FC and by DOFP the franchise become inconsistent, its not a proper reboot its a timey wimey reboot which hasn't explained the rules to the audience so its likely confusing to understand.

And batman begins actually didn't do all that well at the box office if you compared batman begins $374 mil to the dark knight which jumped quite high up to just over a billion for its second movie which was probably a shock for WB.

Begins had to claw its way out of the grave Batman & Robin dug. I can't think of anything worse to follow, not even Origins.

Point remains, X-Men had hit a new peak by the time Apocalypse rolled out. No-one likes to admit it, but it probably would have faired better if it felt more like a sequel to DOFP. Being good would have helped too.

As for the Weapon X remark, that is oddly a mixture of both rehash and reboot, as it was revisiting what we've seen but also doing it again as part of the rebooted continuity. It earns flack from either side of the scale I guess. And for the record, I don't feel particularly strongly about Weapon X to be honest. My comments over there were in support of someone else.

time to face reality.

I love a dose of robbins' reality. Of course, you haven't said anything there we didn't already know.
 
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Outside of New Mutants, I don't believe Fox are interested in it, but I do believe that there are enough interesting characters in the present to have a strong, "non-traditional" team as well. Ice-Man, Rogue and Kitty are not B-list characters, they've just been underserved in this franchise. If you brought back Blink, Bishop, Sunspot and Warpath from the DOFP future scenes as well, you would have a very diverse team.

Certainly wouldn't call that lineup strong.
 
Did Mark Millar do anything? I'm not even sure he was ever hired lol



Depends on the context they are used in. It's become unlikely that a traditional OT sequel will happen with a core cast pushing 50, however the generational aspect of the X-Men series leaves things wide open for a new team built around the younger members (Ice-Man, Rogue, Kitty etc), or even a completely new team with older cast members serving as mentor roles.

Until it's officially confirmed otherwise, many believe New Mutants would be a great way to breathe life into the team in a contemporary setting, while potentially satisfying those who miss the old faces too. I certainly think it's the best way forward, even moreso after the failures of Apocalypse.

OT fans aren't going away. Fox/Singer/whoever so far have allowed people to live in hope, and they will continue to do so. It's poetic that this conversation keeps repeating itself, because Singer has a habbit of doing that himself.



I'd ask what is a more tiresome gimmick? Nostalgia, or reboots?

Unique continuity aside, Apocalypse is a reboot with recast roles, and they're not exactly popular with general audiences either. In fact, I'd go further and say that it only really works out when a series has run itself so far into the ground that the best way forward is to start over (Batman Begins, MCU Spidey). This is not the case with X-Men. You could argue that it was a few years back, but DOFP brought back the original faces to great applause.
A trilogy with Rogue,Iceman and Shadowcat I'll happily pass on that only one of those three I liked in the role was Page the rest meh. If they can't get better XMen then I would have no interest in the franchise. My favs are Nightcrawler and Storm whom are currently in the past so that's what I'll stick with. At least you are rational though unlike the other two people. I think they will figure a way to continue what they have with the new cast regardless of what the other two people say the new cast wasn't the problem in Apocalypse it had many problems that those two choose to ignore. Fresh blood and new creative ideas are needed to get this franchise on track and on par with Disney and WB, they have a golden property on their hands and don't have the proper people utilizing it.
 
A trilogy with Rogue,Iceman and Shadowcat I'll happily pass on that only one of those three I liked in the role was Page the rest meh. If they can't get better XMen then I would have no interest in the franchise.

It is a failing of the OT and beyond that such iconic characters couldn't carry a film, but I would agree with you there. I would like to see them again in some form (I quite liked all 3 in their roles tbh), particularly Rogue as there is so much to do with her still, but they are not flagship franchise material.

My favs are Nightcrawler and Storm whom are currently in the past so that's what I'll stick with. At least you are rational though unlike the other two people. I think they will figure a way to continue what they have with the new cast regardless of what the other two people say the new cast wasn't the problem in Apocalypse it had many problems that those two choose to ignore. Fresh blood and new creative ideas are needed to get this franchise on track and on par with Disney and WB, they have a golden property on their hands and don't have the proper people utilizing it.

I don't really have favourite characters, so maybe that's why I hold differing opinions to some. Having an 80's-set First Class 3 was a given, and I was game for it. I certainly wasn't rooting for its failure like some OT fans may have. You have pure gold in McAvoy and Fassbender, so it would be foolish not to exploit that.

On the other hand, I did really like the OT cast. I think Fox have a unique opportunity to "please all" to an extent with all the characters they have in play, and I feel the frustrations of those who want to see more of their favourites.

Fresh blood is certainly needed over there at some level, even if it is just someone who recognises the potential and scope of what Fox have in front of them.
 
It is a failing of the OT and beyond that such iconic characters couldn't carry a film, but I would agree with you there. I would like to see them again in some form (I quite liked all 3 in their roles tbh), particularly Rogue as there is so much to do with her still, but they are not flagship franchise material.



I don't really have favourite characters, so maybe that's why I hold differing opinions to some. Having an 80's-set First Class 3 was a given, and I was game for it. I certainly wasn't rooting for its failure like some OT fans may have. You have pure gold in McAvoy and Fassbender, so it would be foolish not to exploit that.

On the other hand, I did really like the OT cast. I think Fox have a unique opportunity to "please all" to an extent with all the characters they have in play, and I feel the frustrations of those who want to see more of their favourites.

Fresh blood is certainly needed over there at some level, even if it is just someone who recognises the potential and scope of what Fox have in front of them.

Idk the potential of Anna because they dropped the ball with her, how most of the characters were mistreated in the OT I just have no interest in seeing them in that form they were completely mishandled like really bad. If they bring those 3 back I can't see how it would help anything. They just need to fix what they currently have which is the new cast. They need some pointers and some guidance for the next film because it's no reason it can't be as great as it should be. They don't need to please all by reverted back to the present with the OT and making movies in the past, the only concern I had was new mutants coming out so soon after the main XMen just formed they still seem young and not to experienced themselves. I don't mind the new XMen being older next film I just don't see them utilizing the entire old cast again maybe onces and twoces in spin offs but that's the extent, some need to realize the future is with the new cast or a reboot.
 
I love a dose of robbins' reality. Of course, you haven't said anything there we didn't already know.

Its like we are newbies and new to X-Men movies that we need a big summary of recent information. Then be told "not to put on blinders" "face reality" "the people who want the OT cast back are delusional" "I'm using logic"....
 
what makes you think Fox would even consider doing another film with original cast.

1:Hugh jackman is out the door now that whatever wolverine film is called has wraped
2:Patrick Stewart has said he thinks wolverine will be his last X-men related film.

you have the star of original cast who plays the most popular X-Man character gone.

In 2014 fox essential erased original trilogy from timeline so they could do things with first class cast without worrying about lining up with original trilogy.that was key tipoff of direction fox wanted to go.

Box office immedetly tells us which direction GA would prefer and that is return of original cast but nothing to suggest fox is even considering it.

Bryan Singer earlier this year did suggest possibilty of original cast returning but since his involvement In X-Men films is up In the air right now that Is ilrelvent.

It defently sounds like new mutants will be based in past based on reumors.
 
what makes you think Fox would even consider doing another film with original cast.

1:Hugh jackman is out the door now that whatever wolverine film is called has wraped
2:Patrick Stewart has said he thinks wolverine will be his last X-men related film.

you have the star of original cast who plays the most popular X-Man character gone.

In 2014 fox essential erased original trilogy from timeline so they could do things with first class cast without worrying about lining up with original trilogy.that was key tipoff of direction fox wanted to go.

Box office immedetly tells us which direction GA would prefer and that is return of original cast but nothing to suggest fox is even considering it.

Bryan Singer earlier this year did suggest possibilty of original cast returning but since his involvement In X-Men films is up In the air right now that Is ilrelvent.

It defently sounds like new mutants will be based in past based on reumors.

With Patrick Stewart bowing out, it seems almost certain New Mutants would be set in the past with McAvoy's Xavier in charge.

If they wanted to lead a film with the new, young versions of Jean, Scott, Storm and Kurt, they should have brought them more to the front of X-Men: Apocalypse.

The problem with this franchise is the imbalance of screentime; it puts the focus on just a few characters, giving next to no development to the others. So there is no one 'waiting in the wings' to take the franchise forward. If you turn classic characters into wallpaper, you can hardly expect them to lead a future movie.

New blood is definitely needed.

X-Men: Apocalypse is clearly the work of Kinberg, primarily. Singer was probably preoccupied with those abuse allegations and some of the other creative team were (and still are) focusing on the new TV series and were not 'hands on' with Apocalypse...
 
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With Patrick Stewart bowing out, it seems almost certain New Mutants would be set in the past with McAvoy's Xavier in charge.

If they wanted to lead a film with the new, young versions of Jean, Scott, Storm and Kurt, they should have brought them more to the front of X-Men: Apocalypse.

The problem with this franchise is the imbalance of screentime; it puts the focus on just a few characters, giving next to no development to the others. So there is no one 'waiting in the wings' to take the franchise forward. If you turn classic characters into wallpaper, you can hardly expect them to lead a future movie.

New blood is definitely needed.

X-Men: Apocalypse is clearly the work of Kinberg, primarily. Singer was probably preoccupied with those abuse allegations and I know for a fact that some of the other creative team were (and still are) focusing on the new TV series and were not 'hands on' with Apocalypse, no matter what you might think or what the credits say.


It is interesting, could you elaborate?
 
It is interesting, could you elaborate?

Not really. But the point is that i don't think everyone had their eye on the ball...
 
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I love the new cast of FC, I love Moira and James's Charles. I just hope if they make the x-men go to space, that they don't break Moira and Charles' relationship, I want them together.
 
With Patrick Stewart bowing out, it seems almost certain New Mutants would be set in the past with McAvoy's Xavier in charge.

If they wanted to lead a film with the new, young versions of Jean, Scott, Storm and Kurt, they should have brought them more to the front of X-Men: Apocalypse.

The problem with this franchise is the imbalance of screentime; it puts the focus on just a few characters, giving next to no development to the others. So there is no one 'waiting in the wings' to take the franchise forward. If you turn classic characters into wallpaper, you can hardly expect them to lead a future movie.

New blood is definitely needed.

X-Men: Apocalypse is clearly the work of Kinberg, primarily. Singer was probably preoccupied with those abuse allegations and some of the other creative team were (and still are) focusing on the new TV series and were not 'hands on' with Apocalypse...

Stewart would probally come back if asked but i doudt he will be.

My theory has been Kinberg was more or less given freer hand with apocalypse script after DOFP success.and singer was distracted fighting false abuse charges.

As for Donner very puzzling why we heard nothing from her this year.In past we always did when a new x film was made.she fought to get deadpool made.
 
I think they should explore more the mutants and maybe Protheus. It'd be very nice to see Moira's son as Protheus and her relationship with Charles
 
what makes you think Fox would even consider doing another film with original cast.

No one is proclaiming Fox will do another film with the original cast. Some people like me, just want it to simply happen. And given by the success of DOFP, first X-Men film that featured the OT cast together since X3... I don't see why it is a bad idea? Especially given how X-Men: Apocalypse (a post-DOFP that didn't feature the OT cast) performed.

Calling people delusional because of "something they want to happen" is just plain wrong.
 
He likeky is calling you delusion because you think Apocalypse simply underperformed because of the new cast which isn't the case, that's the delusional part. The reality is the movie didn't do so well due to many different accounts that could've easily been fixed.
 
Calling people delusional because of "something they want to happen" is just plain wrong.

Oh i dunno, depends on what they "want to happen"

Is it delusional to think they could come back? no not at all, is it out of reach of possibility? not fully out of reach, maybe you can still just about touch it on tip toe but it is still incredibly unlikely and it is getting even more unlikely the more time that passes.
 
I wouldn't comepletely rule out Patrick Stewart for something in the future. How many times has he been done by now? He seems game for anything.

A little concerned about where Xavier will go in Wolverine 3 with all this talk about how "different" he will be. All for interesting development, but if this truly his last appearance I hope its not too glum an exit.
 
Pat Stew could do as many as he wants. I'll see any X film with him and Ian in it.
 
No one is proclaiming Fox will do another film with the original cast. Some people like me, just want it to simply happen. And given by the success of DOFP, first X-Men film that featured the OT cast together since X3... I don't see why it is a bad idea? Especially given how X-Men: Apocalypse (a post-DOFP that didn't feature the OT cast) performed.

Calling people delusional because of "something they want to happen" is just plain wrong.

For me since I started watching X-men from the very first one, featuring OT cast is not a problem at all. But by doing so, I am not sure if the new fans who were attracted to this series by watching new trilogy would be so eager to watch OT cast movie.

The problem with this series, with XMA is not the cast, but the story, the script. Actually at the end of the day, no matter which cast will be used, the quality of the movie determines the outcome of the box office.

I like XMA a lot, for me, it is more entertaining than DoFP, but I would not say it is a great movie. DoFP is the best movie out of the new trilogy for me.
 
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