Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 42

[kguillou]

I dont necessarily disagree with you guys that Apocalypse didnt have the best action but, imo, I think Apocalypse did a great job of displaying the Xmen's powers better than the previous films. Storm, Cyclops, Jean..Quicksilver....I feel like we finally got a proper display of what these guys are really capable of when let loose.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I beg to differ

Beast and Iceman, Kitty's Run, Colossus and the Maltov Cocktail Car Bombs were still much better than any of the true "group fight scenes" Singer has actually done.

and aside from Magneto and Iceman.. probably the best action some of those characters had gotten between the whole franchise

 

[GuestStar2004]

I beg to differ

Beast and Iceman, Kitty's Run, Colossus and the Maltov Cocktail Car Bombs were still much better than any of the true "group fight scenes" Singer has actually done.

I disagree about the X3 action, most of that stuff or anything those character did beyond wolverine wasnt that interesting

 

[kguillou]

Eh, agee to disagree.

While watching Apocalypse's final set piece, I just kept thinking "wow, finally, FINALLY a proper display of the Xmen's abilities!" I was geeking out when Storm and Cyclops had their optic blast/ lightning power struggle.

X3 did have some cool moments during its climax but I think it was overshadowed by just how badly they screwed up The Phoenix for me that I didnt even really care by that point.

 

[GuestStar2004]

There is nothing about he action in the climax of X3 that was suprerior.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I disagree about the X3 action, most of that stuff or anything those character did beyond wolverine wasnt that interesting

compared to what they've done in subsequent films... its was OUTSTANDING... because they've hardly done squat.

 

[Havok83]

The fight at jeans house was pretty good in places but other then that I wouldn't say so, the final battle was pretty poor really, they had these mutants taking their stand against an almost army of mutants and you don't see much of it at all, you don't even get a sense of how each of them are defending themselves or how this army isn't just kicking their ass.

The Danger Room stuff was also weak in X3 also actually.

X3 was so awful as a whole that I felt the action scenes really stood out and were the only redeeming part of the film. Back in 2006, I did think they were an improvement over X1 and X2 before it. The balance was definitely better than what we got in Apocalypse

 

[GuestStar2004]

X3 was so awful as a whole that I felt the action scenes really stood out and were the only redeeming part of the film. Back in 2006, I did think they were an improvement over X1 and X2 before it. The balance was definitely better than what we got in Apocalypse

Given the budget X3 had the film still felt like it was cutting costs and it probably was tbh, the only things that i thought were cool bits of action were juggernault throwing wolverine through the roof to have him crash back down again and maybe the storm twirl attack but they were both at jeans house, all the stuff at the climax wasn't all that great IMO

 

[Superhero 101]

I felt that the power display in apocalypse was pretty good everyone had their moment…magneto especially. apocalypse was the only one I felt who got the short end of the stick all he did was phase people into the wall or defensively block magnetos cyclops and storms attacks. He did have that one cool scene where he kills all those people at the factory and the fight on the astral plane

 

[BMM]

I beg to differ

Beast and Iceman, Kitty's Run, Colossus and the Maltov Cocktail Car Bombs were still much better than any of the true "group fight scenes" Singer has actually done.

No, they aren't. The only redeeming scene of any of those is Kitty's Run, which hardly qualifies as "group" anything. The rest aren't even worth mentioning compared to the events of the First Class trilogy.

 

[psylockolussus]

I dont necessarily disagree with you guys that Apocalypse didnt have the best action but, imo, I think Apocalypse did a great job of displaying the Xmen's powers better than the previous films. Storm, Cyclops, Jean..Quicksilver....I feel like we finally got a proper display of what these guys are really capable of when let loose.

Huh? Storm used her powers like three times? And those wind attacks didn't even look good especially she looked like the weakest horseman out there. Her attacks were been there, done that. How it did top Storm's elevator moment in X1? Producing ice storm in X2? Cyclones in X2? Rotating body attack in X3? Storm/Magneto team-up in DOFP?

While Cyclops used his optic blasts, the way it was used in the previous movies. And the presentation of it wasn't even comic-accurate, its a concussive blast, it cannot produce heat or fire. Quicksilver was also been there and done that.

 

[X-Maniac]

X3 had exciting moments, yes. The Jean/Xavier fight (even without the Phoenix effect). Magneto vs the prison truck. Jean raising the water round Alcatraz. Even Storm making the clouds swirl at the mansion had some mood and atmosphere to it. The action scenes were very good, on the whole. Not so keen on Magneto hurling burning cars, but whatever.

The problem with X-Men: Apocalypse was the lack of spectacular action sequences. DoFP had much better action moments. The big moments in XM:A were Apoc building a pyramid (yawn), Magneto destroying Auschwitz (zzzz) and hovering in a forcefield bubble pulling rocks and metal from around the earth (also very static and non-kinetic, non-dynamic).

The most gritty action was from Psylocke who looked like she meant business. Not enough memorable moments really.

 

[BeholdMe]

Huh? Storm used her powers like three times? And those wind attacks didn't even look good especially she looked like the weakest horseman out there. Her attacks were been there, done that. How it did top Storm's elevator moment in X1? Producing ice storm in X2? Cyclones in X2? Rotating body attack in X3? Storm/Magneto team-up in DOFP?

While Cyclops used his optic blasts, the way it was used in the previous movies. And the presentation of it wasn't even comic-accurate, its a concussive blast, it cannot produce heat or fire. Quicksilver was also been there and done that.

I do agree with you here Storms scenes in Apocalypse were so lackluster and poor she has indeed had better showings in other movies. Nothing tops the elevator scene for me, it really showed her fury it was awesome. The wind effects looked really bad in Apocalypse and the Lightning/optic beam battle was so brief it wasn't as enjoyable as it should've been. Storm has a lot more arsenal in her department rather than lightning and that tragic wind she did. I was highly disappointed with what they did. She literally just sat there as Beast threw the car back at her, but it was introducing Psylocke in a good way so it wasn't so bad.

 

[Storm22]

The problem with X-Men: Apocalypse was the lack of spectacular action sequences. DoFP had much better action moments. The big moments in XM:A were Apoc building a pyramid (yawn), Magneto destroying Auschwitz (zzzz) and hovering in a forcefield bubble pulling rocks and metal from around the earth (also very static and non-kinetic, non-dynamic).

The most gritty action was from Psylocke who looked like she meant business. Not enough memorable moments really.

Ah X it had more than that imo - the opening scene in Egypt, Nightcrawler vs Angel in German cage fight, Quicksilver's Sweet Dreams sequence, Cyclops vs Storm, Psylocke & Archangel X-jet sequence.

 

[X-Maniac]

Ah X it had more than that imo - the opening scene in Egypt, Nightcrawler vs Angel in German cage fight, Quicksilver's Sweet Dreams sequence, Cyclops vs Storm, Psylocke & Archangel X-jet sequence.

Opening scene was very good indeed but more of a prologue that was standalone.

I wasn't blown away by Nightcrawler v Angel, it was okay. Cyclops v Storm was brief and a bit similar to energy v energy we saw when Iceman and Pyro fired at each other in X3. Quicksilver rescue was cool but unsure of it tonally when Havok was dead (better had Havok survived but was later killed by Apocalypse). Psylocke and Archangel X-jet was great, i already mentioned Psylocke - it had a bit of oomph and grittiness to it. Just her sliding down the building had some fierceness to it.

Nightcrawler vs Angel at the end, in the pyramid and outside, was very good too. I enjoyed that, it was kinetic, desperate.

There was nothing truly massive and dynamic. It feels like a huge 'wow' action scene was missing somehow. Maybe an all-out assault by Apocalypse? It could have started with a huge sandstorm from Storm blown at the X-Men, blocked by a 'wall' of telekinetic force from Jean, and developed from there.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Fox are still marketing this movie in various ways i see, some were invited by FOX home ent to check out xaviers school for gifted youngsters, comicbookresources posted some images.

 

[X-Maniac]

Fox are still marketing this movie in various ways i see, some were invited by FOX home ent to check out xaviers school for gifted youngsters, comicbookresources posted some images.

That's a very nice idea.

They should have done that too with the UK version of the mansion used in First Class (Englefield House) and had tours with merchandise (mugs, etc).

 

[Frankeh]

I think the film has some fundamental issues such as weak script, villain, and cgi. These issue are present regardless of how you compare it to DoFP and will impact your enjoyment.

As far as the film not being as emotionally charged as DoFP, the filmmakers still missed the mark in making an action heavy film. The action scenes still felt few and far apart. The choreography, wire work, and cgi were weak. I preferred the action scenes in DoFP and it had everything else that was missing in Apocalypse.

The film also kept weaknesses from previous films such as underdeveloped characters but shed all of their strengths.

Agreed on all points.

DOFP didn't have a great script but it had a "hook" (stop Mystique to save dire future), an emotional core (Xavier and his relationships with Wolverine, Mystique and Magneto), and a simple point A to point B story.

Apocalypse on the other hand doesn't have a hook, I mean yeah he is released from slumber, but only really becomes a danger when he "hacks" Cerebro which is what like 40 minutes in? There needed to be urgency from the very beginning (which is what DOFP had). Even in the prologue he is shown as weak and old and betrayed, we get no sense of his supposed omnipotence.

And the story is all over the place with dangling plot threads that are clumsily connected afterwards. There was no need for Moira in this movie, at all.

They tried giving the emotional core to multiple characters, but Cyclops isn't really relevant after his helicopter talk with Jean, Quicksilver doesn't bother revealing the truth to Magneto, Magneto's arc was on good track until he was easily forgiven for killing many people, oh brother. I guess Jean worked? But, just like the story, it was all over the place.

And that's not to mention the lackluster action - this is supposedly an epic movie but simply in terms of locations, in terms of action there's nothing big until the final fight which is a CGI and choreography mess. Apocalypse invades the mansion with his four horsemen and no battles ensued - only a repeat of the Quicksilver scene from DOFP, 'cause they needed to take something that worked before to counter everything that isn't working, which is why I guess they also brought back Alkali Lake and added a Wolverine cameo.

 

[psylockolussus]

Ah X it had more than that imo - the opening scene in Egypt, Nightcrawler vs Angel in German cage fight, Quicksilver's Sweet Dreams sequence, Cyclops vs Storm, Psylocke & Archangel X-jet sequence.

The Nightcrawler vs Angel scenes were poorly done IMO. The first one was too short, the first actual move of Kurt against Angel, pushing Angel through the electric fences (whatever that was) was like done into 2 seconds and that was IT. Then at the climax, Angel knocking himself for butting his head over some steel bars when he was pulling Kurt was just really?

Quicksilver's sweet dreams sequence was a knock-off from the kitchen sequence. I couldn't feel the tension much because he was goofing around so much.

Cyclops vs Storm was nothing. It was just like they were beaming other but nothing was really happening. At 1 point, Storm got kinda toss to the side which made her look weak. And their fight didn't even end well because Kurt teleported Cyke in the middle of it.

I think the best one was the Psylocke/Angel team-up (well not because Psylocke is my fav) I liked their teamwork. Psylocke running through the roof top then Angel catching her and tossing her to the jet was pretty fierce!

 

[GuestStar2004]

While a huge amount of the audiences loved the quicksilver sequence i can see some here don't include it when talking about action scenes but in all fairness while it may be more comedic its still a pretty big creative effects filled action sequence that goes on for like 2 minutes or something

that sequence with it ending with him riding the desk as the mansion explodes to him jumping backwards onto the wall and running along it as you see the kids flying through the air is pretty much what you call singer pushing himself in terms of action

But because its quicksilver is probably why it gets ignored often on here, its like one character gets all the glory which is not to say i think other films had more action because honestly i don't, its about the same IMO, while you could look at DOFP and say there was more action i can't help but think no unless you count the characters being killed as action in which case yeah there is much more action but other then that what did a character like sunspot do? he got a hit in at the start of the movie, was killed, later on we see him do a human torch and fly out of shot and then he was killed again, its an illusion based on whats going on at the time that makes it look like more action is actually happening but if you add it all up its about the same

 

[def28]

Quicksilver steals the show and it's definitely a well executed action sequence. I know it's redundant but it's still one of the best action in the series imo. It's just that the film and situations surrounding it are not done well.

Just showed my family the film, my brother is a 90s X-Men geek and couldn't stand it. The Quicksilver scene was the only action sequence that got a response from any of them. They all reacted strongly right when he showed up at the mansion, and his first appearance. Only thing that killed it was my brother asked "where's Havok?" during the mansion rescue sequence. My brothers a huge fan of the Summers family and this pissed him off when I told him he's dead near the start of a scene. After dealing with the poor treatment of Cyclops in the series and now a ******** death of Havok he just wasn't having it. Completely killed the mood and caused conversation which interrupted the scene. When I saw the film for the first time with my friends who were X-Men fans they were discussing where Havok was during this scene as well.

It's really a poor contrast between his death and the awesomeness of Quicksilver's scene. I just don't know how this didn't get off the script. Lets kill an X-Men so we can have a fun scene? Just weird. It's a complete trick at the expense of a character. They assumed nobody would care, which is a X-Men 3 level move. It's actually more disrespectful in some ways then X3 deaths.

Though I do like Quicksilvers always too late speech later.

 

[X-Maniac]

While a huge amount of the audiences loved the quicksilver sequence i can see some here don't include it when talking about action scenes but in all fairness while it may be more comedic its still a pretty big creative effects filled action sequence that goes on for like 2 minutes or something

that sequence with it ending with him riding the desk as the mansion explodes to him jumping backwards onto the wall and running along it as you see the kids flying through the air is pretty much what you call singer pushing himself in terms of action

But because its quicksilver is probably why it gets ignored often on here, its like one character gets all the glory which is not to say i think other films had more action because honestly i don't, its about the same IMO, while you could look at DOFP and say there was more action i can't help but think no unless you count the characters being killed as action in which case yeah there is much more action but other then that what did a character like sunspot do? he got a hit in at the start of the movie, was killed, later on we see him do a human torch and fly out of shot and then he was killed again, its an illusion based on whats going on at the time that makes it look like more action is actually happening but if you add it all up its about the same

It's more how the action was used. There was not very much that was massively epic in XM:A.

Storm and Magneto teaming up to blow up the X-jet in DoFP was impressive, and it was also impressive when Magneto lifted a stadium and then flew down out of the clouds with the Sentinels.

Compare that with Apocalypse building a pyramid (it wasn't done against anyone, there was no obvious threat to/from it, no desperate attempt to stop it, and we'd see him build a pyramid in the post-credits of DoFP). Same with Magneto in his bubble pulling metal and rocks around the world. They were not very urgent, desperate and had no element of threat or showdown. No real stakes. Spectacle without significance.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

While a huge amount of the audiences loved the quicksilver sequence i can see some here don't include it when talking about action scenes but in all fairness while it may be more comedic its still a pretty big creative effects filled action sequence that goes on for like 2 minutes or something

that sequence with it ending with him riding the desk as the mansion explodes to him jumping backwards onto the wall and running along it as you see the kids flying through the air is pretty much what you call singer pushing himself in terms of action

But because its quicksilver is probably why it gets ignored often on here, its like one character gets all the glory which is not to say i think other films had more action because honestly i don't, its about the same IMO, while you could look at DOFP and say there was more action i can't help but think no unless you count the characters being killed as action in which case yeah there is much more action but other then that what did a character like sunspot do? he got a hit in at the start of the movie, was killed, later on we see him do a human torch and fly out of shot and then he was killed again, its an illusion based on whats going on at the time that makes it look like more action is actually happening but if you add it all up its about the same

honestly i heard alot of people talk about the DOFP QS sequence.. but i really didn't hear anyone really talk about the Apocalypse sequence besides hardcore fan forums like on here... and it was not nearly the same level as the DOFP reaction

 

[Legion]

While a huge amount of the audiences loved the quicksilver sequence i can see some here don't include it when talking about action scenes but in all fairness while it may be more comedic its still a pretty big creative effects filled action sequence that goes on for like 2 minutes or something

that sequence with it ending with him riding the desk as the mansion explodes to him jumping backwards onto the wall and running along it as you see the kids flying through the air is pretty much what you call singer pushing himself in terms of action

But because its quicksilver is probably why it gets ignored often on here, its like one character gets all the glory which is not to say i think other films had more action because honestly i don't, its about the same IMO, while you could look at DOFP and say there was more action i can't help but think no unless you count the characters being killed as action in which case yeah there is much more action but other then that what did a character like sunspot do? he got a hit in at the start of the movie, was killed, later on we see him do a human torch and fly out of shot and then he was killed again, its an illusion based on whats going on at the time that makes it look like more action is actually happening but if you add it all up its about the same

Yes I do count the X-Men fighting the Sentinels as action. The fact that they died is irrelevant.

Anyway I don't think the discussion is about the quantity but the quality and how much impact the scenes had. Someone said in Apocalypse defense that the film makers set out to make a great action film rather than emotional one like DoFP. I think they failed in that regard.


Also the quicksilver scene was the best scene in the film and it did feel redundant and not as good as the original. I think that's why it is not brought up as much. It didn't seem to have as much impact since the explosion was accidentally caused by one of the heroes rather than a deliberate action by the villain. A simple change to the script could have fixed that.

 

[def28]

honestly i heard alot of people talk about the DOFP QS sequence.. but i really didn't hear anyone really talk about the Apocalypse sequence besides hardcore fan forums like on here... and it was not nearly the same level as the DOFP reaction

It's definitely one of the highlights, the only scene I really see being discussed in social media tbh. Thing is too, how could it really top DOFP? The expectations and the character were so downplayed and hated before hand with dofp there was no way to replicate.

From a vfx and film standpoint I see it as an impressive scene.