Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 43

[Ivan Drago]

I was really surprised at how poorly x-men apocalypse was directed. Sure the script wasn't good and you can blame Kinberg all you want, but the actual direction from Singer was poor. The action scenes reminded me of the original x-men movie, especially the wirework during the beast and psylocke fight.

Which is funny, because I thought DOFP was very well directed, and I thought Singer matured as a director, especially in regards to action. Maybe Singer just got lazy.

 

[def28]

I agree with the later stuff but that first action scene before the credits was pretty awesome.

X-men films, as we knew them, absolutely did stop. They were forced to retool everything. So yes I am putting the emphasis on the creative here. They ran stories and characters into the ground. That did NOT happen with Apocalypse as disappointing as that film was. It just didn't happen. The numbers don't mean jack **** if you have to change the direction of the series entirely.

Of course they do, if it's the same IP name it's gonna have an effect. Which is why First Class had a tough time and lots of doubt after not just one but 2 films called X-Men which were looked at as disappointing.

Since the series has a reputation now, it's gonna be more unforgiving. Apocalypse definitely felt that when early word kicked in that it wasn't very good.

He transferred his mind to another body.

Yeah, in X3 though.

 

[Ivan Drago]

The first action bit in Apocalypse before the credits was too brief to make an actual impact, I didn't really count that as an action scene.

It's weird to be sticking up for X3, but it has much better action than Apocalypse. And somehow the visual effects in X3 look better than Apocalypse, a movie that came out ten years later.

 

[def28]

The first action bit in Apocalypse before the credits was too brief to make an actual impact, I didn't really count that as an action scene.

It's weird to be sticking up for X3, but it has much better action than Apocalypse. And somehow the visual effects in X3 look better than Apocalypse, a movie that came out ten years later.

It got my attention. People were getting ****ed up, and it was fairly relentless.

I think the Quicksilver scene and the intro alone makes it have stronger action and vfx then X3. But I didn't find anything else in the film memorable and the action felt rushed/messy.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It's weird to be sticking up for X3, but it has much better action than Apocalypse. And somehow the visual effects in X3 look better than Apocalypse, a movie that came out ten years later.

Honestly i wouldn't say that at all, the quicksilver sequence alone probably beats most of X3 but lets ignore that sequence for a moment and just look at the other stuff

X3 had some cool moment, although most of it appeared in the trailer like wolverine being thrown through the roof and crashing back down into the other room or the Storm spin move which was probably more flash then necessary but it looked cool anyway

other then that... nothing really comes to mind, alot of the final battle didn't show colossus do anything, iceman vs pyro was pretty basic, i wasn't that impressed with beast in X3 as i felt he could do better then swinging on a pole once or throwing his arms abour roaring

the beginning danger room stuff was weak also but the kitty running from juggernaut was kinda cool with him crashing through the walls.

there is nothing id consider better in X3 about the action, maybe equal in its both good and bad action.

 

[Ivan Drago]

It got my attention. People were getting ****ed up, and it was fairly relentless.

I think the Quicksilver scene and the intro alone makes it have stronger action and vfx then X3. But I didn't find anything else in the film memorable and the action felt rushed/messy.

I didn't think the quicksilver worked at all in Apocalypse. It felt out of place, and it felt like they were trying to hard to top the quicksilver scene in DOFP, but it just wasn't as funny or impressive this time around. Also probably went on for too long.

Quicksilver scene in DOFP though was perfect. It was funny, impressive on a technical level, and it felt natural (it didn't feel out of place at all).

 

[def28]

I didn't think the quicksilver worked at all in Apocalypse. It felt out of place, and it felt like they were trying to hard to top the quicksilver scene in DOFP, but it just wasn't as funny or impressive this time around. Also probably went on for too long.

I agree, but I thought it was more impressive visually then any action scene in X3. Lots of work went into that.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Honestly i wouldn't say that at all, the quicksilver sequence alone probably beats most of X3 but lets ignore that sequence for a moment and just look at the other stuff

X3 had some cool moment, although most of it appeared in the trailer like wolverine being thrown through the roof and crashing back down into the other room or the Storm spin move which was probably more flash then necessary but it looked cool anyway

other then that... nothing really comes to mind, alot of the final battle didn't show colossus do anything, iceman vs pyro was pretty basic, i wasn't that impressed with beast in X3 as i felt he could do better then swinging on a pole once or throwing his arms abour roaring

the beginning danger room stuff was weak also but the kitty running from juggernaut was kinda cool with him crashing through the walls.

there is nothing id consider better in X3 about the action, maybe equal in its both good and bad action but not better

Okay but why does X3 have better visual effects than Apocalypse (which is a movie that came out ten years after X3).

 

[GuestStar2004]

Okay but why does X3 have better visual effects than Apocalypse (which is a movie that came out ten years after X3).

Well the effects guys were working on jungle book the same time as apocalypse apparently.

 

[Stan Lee]

Well the effects guys were working on jungle book the same time as apocalypse apparently.

And they probably blew the budget on the Quicksilver scene which took a month to make.

 

[GuestStar2004]

And they probably blew the budget on the Quicksilver scene which took a month to make.

It took a while to film but i very much doubt that much of the effects budget went on that one sequence otherwise they clearly need to learn how to spend better.

 

[Flint Marko]

The Quicksilver sequence wasn't that good this time around. It was great in DOFP, easily my favorite part of the movie, but I wish they hadn't revisited it. It's the same joke we saw two years ago, just longer and with worse special effects.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Yea wasn't a fan of the Quicksilver scene either which is why I'd be ok with not having him back for a possible sequel.

Anyways, I'm trying to think of good special f/x from X3 or better than Apocalypse. De-aging Stewart and Mckellen was ok.

And the wirework in X3 was especially atrocious (even for this franchise). Phoenix at Alkali Lake, Storm in the Danger Room, Multiple mutants all jumping at once... LOL

 

[Stan Lee]

The Quicksilver sequence wasn't that good this time around. It was great in DOFP, easily my favorite part of the movie, but I wish they hadn't revisited it. It's the same joke we saw two years ago, just longer and with worse special effects.

I wasn't worse special effects but more of it.

 

[Flint Marko]

I wasn't worse special effect but more of it.

I honestly couldn't tell much, if any, CG in the original sequence. The one in Apocalypse looked like a video game, particularly the shot of him "surfing" the table out of the exploding mansion.

 

[Stan Lee]

It is a ten year movie. Unless it is your favorite or have seen it every year since it was released then okay.

I saw Funding Dory this year and I barely remember what happened to Finding Memo.

And that's why this movie's story failed with many people. Apocalypse was full of payoffs to plot points of previous films similar to CA:Civil War. But the XCU films have been released at a much slower pace than the MCU films.

People like Screen Junkies don't even remember the events of DOFP, let alone will remember The Last Stand.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I'd be ok with not having him back for a possible sequel.

You might be ok with it but that won't happen for obvious reasons.

For many he is still one of the highest of apocalypse.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Honestly i wouldn't say that at all, the quicksilver sequence alone probably beats most of X3 but lets ignore that sequence for a moment and just look at the other stuff

X3 had some cool moment, although most of it appeared in the trailer like wolverine being thrown through the roof and crashing back down into the other room or the Storm spin move which was probably more flash then necessary but it looked cool anyway

other then that... nothing really comes to mind, alot of the final battle didn't show colossus do anything, iceman vs pyro was pretty basic, i wasn't that impressed with beast in X3 as i felt he could do better then swinging on a pole once or throwing his arms abour roaring

the beginning danger room stuff was weak also but the kitty running from juggernaut was kinda cool with him crashing through the walls.

there is nothing id consider better in X3 about the action, maybe equal in its both good and bad action.

Agreed, I never got the praise for the action in X3. The final battle especially was a huge let down. Pyro vs Iceman was a video game and Colossus literally did nothing.

Found the stuff we got in Apocalypse much more satisfying.

 

[def28]

This film didn't really give us anything new or interesting in the way of fight choreography. Psylocke vs Beast? What a stupid match up. I don't get why they even picked her for this film. Lets use Psylocke so she can fight Beast with a lasso! The Psyblade can cut through cars but the whip can't cut the fur off of a dog? What was the logic going into this pair up and fight? Ugh, and the throws in that scene are just as bad if not worse then the wire work in X3.

As cringe worthy and horrible as it was even that last battle in XMOW between Deadpool, Sabretooth and Wolverine had some stronger choreography and aggressive use of powers going on. VFX looked poor as ever but better stunts with Deadpool thanks to Scott Adkins for sure there.

There was no fighting style given to most of these characters in Apocalypse and that's a problem. Plus the match ups were poor in choice. Quicksilver fighting Apocalypse was funny I guess.

 

[Ivan Drago]

I thought it was a Singer issue, but First class and X3 had some poor wirework as well.

I think the only x-men movie that doesn't have bad wirework is DOFP.

 

[Stan Lee]

There was no fighting style given to most of these characters in Apocalypse and that's a problem.

Well most of the characters were inexperienced in fighting.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Well most of the characters were inexperienced in fighting.

that was the point.events in apocalypse bring X-Men in this timeline.whole point was after DOFP Xavier was too optimistic on future and human-mutants living together.it takes threat of apocalypse to be baptisim by fire to cyclops,jean,and nightcrawler.and it's because of apocalypse xavier ealizes need for strikeforce.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well most of the characters were inexperienced in fighting.

I don't think its down to experience its just down to execution like in X1 toad kicked knocked them all on their asses just by himself so its not about well they are experienced adults they can put up a.. oh they are out of the fight already.

I don't think singer wanted to do a big battle if honest since there is much more they could have done with it even in small doses like when archangel shoots the blades at them and jean throw up some debris to shield them, she could have thrown the debris back at him which he then avoids but scott hits him with the optic beam knocking him into something before he gets up and goes after nightcawler in temple, its a small bit of detail really.

 

[def28]

Well most of the characters were inexperienced in fighting.

Which is another huge issue with this script and choosing to go with Apocalypse when our X-Men team did not even start training till the last shot of the film. That scene should have been in the first act. It's like putting untrained Avengers Academy students against Thanos for their first run. Instead of forcing an anticipated villain and his horsemen just to up the stakes, give the young X-Men a villain more appropriate to their experience.

Even that aside, with their roster here someone like Mystique who is good at combat should be fighting Psylocke if they won't give her telepathy. Or someone with a weapon. Their match ups and reasons for choosing the horsemen were not strong. What did Angel and Psylocke even bring to the film? Or Storm? They were there to fight as horsemen and be good adversaries, and their scenes are pretty weak.

 

[Stan Lee]

Which is another huge issue with this script and choosing to go with Apocalypse when our X-Men team did not even start training till the last shot of the film. That scene should have been in the first act. It's like putting untrained Avengers Academy students against Thanos for their first run. Instead of forcing an anticipated villain and his horsemen just to up the stakes, give the young X-Men a villain more appropriate to their experience.

Even that aside, with their roster here someone like Mystique who is good at combat should be fighting Psylocke if they won't give her telepathy. Or someone with a weapon. Their match ups and reasons for choosing the horsemen were not strong. What did Angel and Psylocke even bring to the film? Or Storm? They were their to fight as horsemen and be good adversaries, and their scenes are pretty weak.

I see your point. Though I can understand why they made the calls they made. They were trying to parallel the X-Men's formation in comics. The main reason why Xavier formed the X-Men was because he faced an evil Egyptian mutant in Cairo(Shadow King) and thought the world needed protection from such people. So the film makers chose Apocalypse as the villian because he is more interesting than Shadow King and he keeps the story in Egypt.

And I wouldn't compare Apocalypse to Thanos as he is not a recurring X-villian.