Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 43

[DavidHaller]

I feel like here is one group of fans active in this forum who are very much willing to be open to interpret what they are seeing, while others are looking for an authoritative nanny to explain everything to them.

maybe because they are so used to MARVEL movies where there is no subtly or symbolism left besides superficial, vulgar narratives and (good) action set pieces...

isn't this the fun of watching movies in the first place? to interpret them and to see all the ideologies which shape them?

 

[marvelrobbins]

When we go with time travel rules from comic books, Wolverine and Xavier actually created a parallel universe in "Days of Future Past" by going back in time to change the future...

as dofp clarly states if mission is successful last 50 years-which includes origina tirlogy and most of origins and the wolverine-would be like they never happened and only wolverine would remember them though aspects of previous films xavier got a glimpse of when he read Wolverine's mind.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I feel like here is one group of fans active in this forum who are very much willing to be open to interpret what they are seeing, while others are looking for an authoritative nanny to explain everything to them.

maybe because they are so used to MARVEL movies where there is no subtly or symbolism left besides superficial, vulgar narratives and (good) action set pieces...

isn't this the fun of watching movies in the first place? to interpret them and to see all the ideologies which shape them?

there are 2 factions who post here.one is fans of X_Men films while they may be critical of apocalypse.Other are primily fans of MCU who want X-Men at Disney so they can be put In MCU.

 

[X-Maniac]

I never said "X-Men:Apocalypse" is a good movie. But I am also not blind to see that Singer put some thought into constructing it. Singer is a subtle director. He always works with small moments and hints. He will not take the audience by the hand and you need to connect the dots yourself.

Jean Grey's story throughout all seven X-Men movies combined is actually very interesting and quite tender. StanLee and I wrote extensively about it here on this forum and if you do not see how "Days of Future Past" and "X-Men:Apocalypse" relate to Xavier's (future) sins, I think you should go back and re-watch it because this is the main point of these last two movies! Xavier is trying to prevent his sins/mistakes from occurring in the past because he failed saving mutantkind in the future (by manipulating Mystique and losing her to the dark side, mind-raping Jean Grey, and also losing the fight for Magneto's soul). All of it is reversed when "X-Men: Apocalypse" ends.

This is why you see Xavier looking into Wolverine's mind in "Days of Future Past". Xavier tried to control Jean in X3 and au contraire asked Jean to let go in "X:A". He actually screams it several time so everybody gets it.

Wolverine helped in "Days of Future Past" to save the woman he loves, while Jean returns the favor freeing him in "X:A".

There are many moments like these if you actually bother to care to see them (you never wondered for example why Jean is using bow and arrow, while Magneto's daughter is killed by one? Coincidence?)

Most of us get all that - either we noticed it at the time or read it on here.

But all that stuff did not serve the movie well critically or financially.

It has 48% on RT and, in financial terms, a weak performance for the franchise as well as against other current movies. To such an extent that the very good (but hopelessly under-deployed) casting of Scott, Jean, Nightcrawler, Jubilee, Storm and Psylocke now lurks in oblivion, with those actors/characters perhaps never to be seen again.

Fox has moved swiftly on to promoting Logan and New Mutants and even rumoured/fake mentions of Deadpool, in order to revive interest in this floundering franchise.

I do not hate XM:A by any means but Fox has to do better when making blockbusters and when making X-Men movies.

Deadpool (which the studio did not even want to make for many years) has been Fox's saving grace this year. None of us want X-Men to be replicas of Deadpool's comedy, wackiness and fourth wall stuff, we want Deadpool to be seen as an example of the success of proper character interpretation (including costumes) and being on the pulse of pop culture. By comparison, XM:A looks dated and stale. And it's clear that many fans of this series are frustrated with the studio's blindness to what it is doing wrong.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Most of us get all that - either we noticed it at the time or read it on here.

But all that stuff did not serve the movie well critically or financially.

It has 48% on RT and, in financial terms, a weak performance for the franchise as well as against other current movies. To such an extent that the very good (but hopelessly under-deployed) casting of Scott, Jean, Nightcrawler, Jubilee, Storm and Psylocke now lurks in oblivion, with those actors/characters perhaps never to be seen again.

Fox has moved swiftly on to promoting Logan and New Mutants and even rumoured/fake mentions of Deadpool, in order to revive interest in this floundering franchise.

I do not hate XM:A by any means but Fox has to do better when making blockbusters and when making X-Men movies.

Deadpool (which the studio did not even want to make for many years) has been Fox's saving grace this year. None of us want X-Men to be replicas of Deadpool's comedy, wackiness and fourth wall stuff, we want Deadpool to be seen as an example of the success of proper character interpretation (including costumes) and being on the pulse of pop culture. By comparison, XM:A looks dated and stale. And it's clear that many fans of this series are frustrated with the studio's blindness to what it is doing wrong.

let's deal with situation.fact APocalypse still doesn't have followup announced proves it underperformed.i said for months prior to release apocalypse would
do less than DOFP;and apocalypse defently doesn't servese the 48% on RT.
and before some start no i don't think disney payed off any critics but i defently think critics had it in for apocalypse.lower than Last stand or even the wolverine?

with logan suspose to be jackman's last film as wolverine it makes sense
it would get lot of attention.As for deadpool possibly apeaing in post credit scene mangold is protesting bit too much denying it.i hardly think that report is fox trying to create intrest.New mutants is next film after logan going into production.

If fox does another full X-Men film anytime soon it will be defferent.Singer is gone so they won't have him to kick around anymore.Unfortully this means kinberg will be left to his own devices.as i said if apocalypse would have been made without singer but kinberg writing you wouldn't have many defending it.

with new mutants and Deadpool II and III fox ainet rebooting or giving X-men to disney.always possibilty of Gambit being mad.eBoone wants to do new mutants as a trilogy and X-force film could follow their introduction In Deadpool III.to me X-force after deadpool III depends if reynolds and fox are still on good terms after completing deadpool trilogy.

 

[DavidHaller]

Most of us get all that - either we noticed it at the time or read it on here.

But all that stuff did not serve the movie well critically or financially.

It has 48% on RT and, in financial terms, a weak performance for the franchise as well as against other current movies. To such an extent that the very good (but hopelessly under-deployed) casting of Scott, Jean, Nightcrawler, Jubilee, Storm and Psylocke now lurks in oblivion, with those actors/characters perhaps never to be seen again.

Fox has moved swiftly on to promoting Logan and New Mutants and even rumoured/fake mentions of Deadpool, in order to revive interest in this floundering franchise.

I do not hate XM:A by any means but Fox has to do better when making blockbusters and when making X-Men movies.

Deadpool (which the studio did not even want to make for many years) has been Fox's saving grace this year. None of us want X-Men to be replicas of Deadpool's comedy, wackiness and fourth wall stuff, we want Deadpool to be seen as an example of the success of proper character interpretation (including costumes) and being on the pulse of pop culture. By comparison, XM:A looks dated and stale. And it's clear that many fans of this series are frustrated with the studio's blindness to what it is doing wrong.

I think what really annoys me are these generalizations. "Days of Future Past" is only a few years old and there was NOTHING stale or dated about this movie and it was also done by FOX and Singer. This movie was ****ting on every Marvel movie coming out the same year. It was rightfully critically praised everywhere and was a huge boxoffice success.

"X-Men: Apocalypse" on the other hand sucked and was a huge disappointment! But "DoFP" was genre gold and is not erased from reality because of "Apocalypse". So what are we debating here exactly? The X-Men franchise is finished and stale because Singer was rushed (and possibly obliged) to adapt a very ****** script by a producer who does not understand that he cannot write? Fox needs to do better X-Men movies? I honestly doubt that it is possible to create better comic book movies than X2 and Days of Future Past. Maybe we are just too spoiled to see that?!

I do not get the negativity because of one mediocre movie in a ongoing series of many great and good ones (e.g. X-Men, X2, First Class, Days of Future Past, The Wolverine). I think this is were the "hater angle" is coming from. People telling me here online that the X-Men universe is stale and two years ago FOX released one of the best comicbook movies since Nolan's "The Dark Knight"?!?!

I also think it is time for Singer to leave. He told what he wanted to tell and came full circle. I think he is creativity empty when it comes to the X-Men universe and it is time for new, fresh blood like Ava DuVernay or Josh Whedon.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I think what really annoys me are these generalizations. "Days of Future Past" is only a few years old and there was NOTHING stale or dated about this movie and it was also done by FOX and Singer. This movie was ****ting on every Marvel movie coming out the same year. It was rightfully critically praised everywhere and was a huge boxoffice success.

"X-Men: Apocalypse" on the other hand sucked and was a huge disappointment! But "DoFP" was genre gold and is not erased from reality because of "Apocalypse". So what are we debating here exactly? The X-Men franchise is finished and stale because Singer was rushed (and possibly obliged) to adapt a very ****** script by a producer who does not understand that he cannot write? Fox needs to do better X-Men movies? I doubt it is possible to create better comic book movies than X2 and Days of Future Past. Maybe we are just too spoiled?!

I do not get the negativity because of one mediocre movie in a series with many great and good ones (e.g. X-Men, X2, First Class, Days of Future Past, The Wolverine).

according to many now all the X-Men films are crap.Deadpool is only thing good from X universe.fox needs to give up and just hand everything X-Men to disney for nothing.doesn't matter what disney would do anything they
can do is better than fox.if darkness,and allegory all disappear from X-Men it is all good.they are fine with any change made by disney as we know from past films and especilly Spider-man homecoming.

 

[Stan Lee]

But all that stuff did not serve the movie well critically or financially.

All that stuff went over many people's minds. Some criticisms of this film got showed that many people don't remember the previous films well. There are people that believe every X-Men film was about the fight for Magneto's soul. When in the original trilogy Xavier either shown to be willing to have him killed/arrested or they barely interacted and in DOFP he hated him. Or some believing that Mystique was a villain in Day of Future Past.

One of the most extreme cases of confabulation I have ever seen. Then again, the series has ran for 16 years.

 

[DavidHaller]

X-Men is number five of the most pirated films of 2016. It seems X-Men still attract its audience. Now FOX only need to get people to spend money on it and improve their ticket sales with good marketing!

http://www.cbr.com/deadpool-is-the-most-pirated-film-of-2016/

 

[Stan Lee]

I saw a pirate of the film on a porn site.

 

[DavidHaller]

I saw a pirate of the film on a porn site.

must be Psylocke's outfit...

 

[Legion]

I think what really annoys me are these generalizations. "Days of Future Past" is only a few years old and there was NOTHING stale or dated about this movie and it was also done by FOX and Singer. This movie was ****ting on every Marvel movie coming out the same year. It was rightfully critically praised everywhere and was a huge boxoffice success.

"X-Men: Apocalypse" on the other hand sucked and was a huge disappointment! But "DoFP" was genre gold and is not erased from reality because of "Apocalypse". So what are we debating here exactly? The X-Men franchise is finished and stale because Singer was rushed (and possibly obliged) to adapt a very ****** script by a producer who does not understand that he cannot write? Fox needs to do better X-Men movies? I honestly doubt that it is possible to create better comic book movies than X2 and Days of Future Past. Maybe we are just too spoiled to see that?!

I do not get the negativity because of one mediocre movie in a ongoing series of many great and good ones (e.g. X-Men, X2, First Class, Days of Future Past, The Wolverine). I think this is were the "hater angle" is coming from. People telling me here online that the X-Men universe is stale and two years ago FOX released one of the best comicbook movies since Nolan's "The Dark Knight"?!?!

I also think it is time for Singer to leave. He told what he wanted to tell and came full circle. I think he is creativity empty when it comes to the X-Men universe and it is time for new, fresh blood like Ava DuVernay or Josh Whedon.

"Days of Future Past" is a great film (at least I think so) and I definitely feel it's the best comic book movie since "The Dark Knight" but I'm also a huge fan of the X-Men. However, if everyone that saw the film felt it was as good as "The Dark Knight", it should have made more money than it did and it should have had a bigger influence on pop culture. It also should have been a template that future comic book movies would follow and I can't even say it's follow up "Apocalypse" did that. I also wouldn't say it "was ****ting" on "The Winter Soldier" or "Guardians of the Galaxy".

As a good as DoFP is, it does have elements that are dated. They are dated because they are flaws that the earliest X-Men movies contained and modern superhero films seem to have corrected. To me these are: characters with few or no speaking lines, obvious wire work, questionable or unconvincing character designs, makeup and special effects. Also lacking team fight scenes or poor choreography for fight scenes. I don't think these were big issues in DoFP but they are present and people notice. The movie is so good in other ways I can look past these flaws.

Right now Fox and the X-Men are like a company releasing their new video game, app, or smartphone. People who are loyal to the brand will eat it up but other consumers aren't going to be onboard if the product doesn't have all of the features they've come to expect.

 

[Legion]

All that stuff went over many people's minds. Some criticisms of this film got showed that many people don't remember the previous films well. There are people that believe every X-Men film was about the fight for Magneto's soul. When in the original trilogy Xavier either shown to be willing to have him killed/arrested or they barely interacted and in DOFP he hated him. Or some believing that Mystique was a villain in Day of Future Past.

One of the most extreme cases of confabulation I have ever seen. Then again, the series has ran for 16 years.

Or there is nothing going over their heads and they just didn't like the movie.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Everyone has their own opinion but I agree that sometimes it does seem like there are things that do go over people's heads and most the time it's stuff that was done. especially for the movies that isn't in the comics.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Not really a stretch. They explicitly showed a clip of Jean's death and Logan holding her body in that scene when he was looking through his head. It was the very last image Xavier saw, ending with him yelling he didn't want his future. The scene made it very clear he knew of those events.

Its similar to Cap knowing that Bucky killed Tony's parents in Civil War. He found out through a quick scene in Winter Solider.

the difference between that and Civil War was they harkened back to it.. with Tony asking Cap if he knew, and he saying "yes" (they called attention to it, not the specifics, but let the audience know it was a call back to cap finding out)

no where in Apocalypse does Xavier make reference to what jean is or who she could become, what he saw.. or how he was trying to make sure that never happened.. that's bad story telling. If you wanted to make a point of it.. you pay reference to it. a call back. via dialogue or imagery.. which none of that happened. Good story telling is not "let the fans speculate and figure it out for themselves"

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I never said "X-Men:Apocalypse" is a good movie. But I am also not blind to see that Singer put some thought into constructing it. Singer is a subtle director. He always works with small moments and hints. He will not take the audience by the hand and you need to connect the dots yourself.

Jean Grey's story throughout all seven X-Men movies combined is actually very interesting and quite tender. StanLee and I wrote extensively about it here on this forum and if you do not see how "Days of Future Past" and "X-Men:Apocalypse" relate to Xavier's (future) sins, I think you should go back and re-watch it because this is the main point of these last two movies! Xavier is trying to prevent his sins/mistakes from occurring in the past because he failed saving mutantkind in the future (by manipulating Mystique and losing her to the dark side, mind-raping Jean Grey, and also losing the fight for Magneto's soul). All of it is reversed when "X-Men: Apocalypse" ends.

This is why you see Xavier looking into Wolverine's mind in "Days of Future Past". Xavier tried to control Jean in X3 and au contraire asked Jean to let go in "X:A". He actually screams it several time so everybody gets it.

Wolverine helped in "Days of Future Past" to save the woman he loves, while Jean returns the favor freeing him in "X:A".

There are many moments like these if you actually bother to care to see them (you never wondered for example why Jean is using bow and arrow, while Magneto's daughter is killed by one? Coincidence?)

putting thought into a movie that falls apart makes it quite fruitless...

as for connecting the dots.. some of it is ok, but when your film is a mess and people quite caring to connect any dots.. that's the film maker's fault... for tiring the audience into not caring in the first place.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I feel like here is one group of fans active in this forum who are very much willing to be open to interpret what they are seeing, while others are looking for an authoritative nanny to explain everything to them.

maybe because they are so used to MARVEL movies where there is no subtly or symbolism left besides superficial, vulgar narratives and (good) action set pieces...

isn't this the fun of watching movies in the first place? to interpret them and to see all the ideologies which shape them?

no.. we just see people who are clinging on to a sinking ship and trying to throw insults at other franchises to make there's seem superior....

as a fan of both, and fan of film making... Apocalypse was X3 levels of bad... and the "transformers" of the X-men films... all flash, and any substance gets lost on poor script decisions, editing, and complete lack of understanding some of the other (yes still incredibly popular) x-men characters.

id even argue if we are discussing "strength of story telling" This was easily the weakest of the X-men ensemble films. (even weaker than X3) The only part that truly felt like a singer film was the Magneto Storyline with Magda and his daughter... that felt like Singer Depth and Drama...

but ultimately all this film told me was "Singer's completely lost his touch...." Just like the disappointment that was Jack the Giant Slayer.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

there are 2 factions who post here.one is fans of X_Men films while they may be critical of apocalypse.Other are primily fans of MCU who want X-Men at Disney so they can be put In MCU.

if that's the case, there's actually a 3rd...

"X-men is the best thing ever, they can do no wrong, and even the worst are still excellent salvageable movies especially once interpreted in a way i feel they were going" (aka usually these people wont make a negative comment about anything singer does)

we saw the same people back in the Fantastic Four forums acting like FOX could do no wrong.. and went down with the ship with the Fant4stic movies...

criticism is due where criticism is due. I love all things marvel no matter the studio making them.. and to me, the Xfilms have been lacking, a few MCU ones have too. I'm very hard on Marvel TV and been pretty hard on homecoming so far. I just see more wrong with the X-franchise... and Im not sure how they fix that.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Most of us get all that - either we noticed it at the time or read it on here.

But all that stuff did not serve the movie well critically or financially.

It has 48% on RT and, in financial terms, a weak performance for the franchise as well as against other current movies. To such an extent that the very good (but hopelessly under-deployed) casting of Scott, Jean, Nightcrawler, Jubilee, Storm and Psylocke now lurks in oblivion, with those actors/characters perhaps never to be seen again.

Fox has moved swiftly on to promoting Logan and New Mutants and even rumoured/fake mentions of Deadpool, in order to revive interest in this floundering franchise.

I do not hate XM:A by any means but Fox has to do better when making blockbusters and when making X-Men movies.

Deadpool (which the studio did not even want to make for many years) has been Fox's saving grace this year. None of us want X-Men to be replicas of Deadpool's comedy, wackiness and fourth wall stuff, we want Deadpool to be seen as an example of the success of proper character interpretation (including costumes) and being on the pulse of pop culture. By comparison, XM:A looks dated and stale. And it's clear that many fans of this series are frustrated with the studio's blindness to what it is doing wrong.

well said, and no amount of justifying Apocalypses decision making will suddenly make it a better film

 

[spideyboy_1111]

according to many now all the X-Men films are crap.Deadpool is only thing good from X universe.fox needs to give up and just hand everything X-Men to disney for nothing.doesn't matter what disney would do anything they
can do is better than fox.if darkness,and allegory all disappear from X-Men it is all good.they are fine with any change made by disney as we know from past films and especilly Spider-man homecoming.

eh.... i think that's also a gross misunderstanding i think the many still consider X2 and DOFP and even X1 and The Wolverine, great films... infact when criticized those films are just referenced as to be not all that faithful to a multitude of characters. Not bad films by any means.. but that's typically the critique. so much so many lose what's interesting about them and what people loved about them to begin with.

people are tired of that, and they have the right to be.. i love the xmen to death.. but very few characters in this franchise have felt like the ones they know and love... so its a valid complaint. that continues to resonate

 

[magneto23]

Fox has moved swiftly on to promoting Logan and New Mutants and even rumoured/fake mentions of Deadpool, in order to revive interest in this floundering franchise.

As if these projects are counters to the 500+ million $ dissapointment. These movies have been in motion well before Apocalypse came out.

 

[X-Maniac]

I think what really annoys me are these generalizations. "Days of Future Past" is only a few years old and there was NOTHING stale or dated about this movie and it was also done by FOX and Singer. This movie was ****ting on every Marvel movie coming out the same year. It was rightfully critically praised everywhere and was a huge boxoffice success.

"X-Men: Apocalypse" on the other hand sucked and was a huge disappointment! But "DoFP" was genre gold and is not erased from reality because of "Apocalypse". So what are we debating here exactly? The X-Men franchise is finished and stale because Singer was rushed (and possibly obliged) to adapt a very ****** script by a producer who does not understand that he cannot write? Fox needs to do better X-Men movies? I honestly doubt that it is possible to create better comic book movies than X2 and Days of Future Past. Maybe we are just too spoiled to see that?!

I do not get the negativity because of one mediocre movie in a ongoing series of many great and good ones (e.g. X-Men, X2, First Class, Days of Future Past, The Wolverine). I think this is were the "hater angle" is coming from. People telling me here online that the X-Men universe is stale and two years ago FOX released one of the best comicbook movies since Nolan's "The Dark Knight"?!?!

I also think it is time for Singer to leave. He told what he wanted to tell and came full circle. I think he is creativity empty when it comes to the X-Men universe and it is time for new, fresh blood like Ava DuVernay or Josh Whedon.

Unfortunately, you are the one making generalisations, with your tendency to melodrama.

I did not say DoFP was stale nor did I say the franchise was stale, I specifically said that XM:A came across as dated and stale.

DoFP was very good - though not perfect. It still had the typical problems such as secondary characters with no dialogue, substance or characterisation.

But, since you brought up the franchise as a whole, it's fair to say that it does need new blood. While we don't have the figures for how much of the box office gross came from each and every territory, we do have such figures for the domestic/USA gross.

X-Men (2001) - 53.1 per cent of worldwide gross from US
X2 (2003) - 52.7 per cent
X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) - 51 per cent
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) - 48.2 per cent
X-Men: First Class (2011) - 41.4 per cent
The Wolverine (2013) - 32 per cent
X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014) - 31.3 per cent
X-Men: Apocalypse (2016) - 28.6 per cent

That clearly shows a gradual decline in audience interest in the USA.

Deadpool, however, had 46.4 per cent of its world gross from the USA.

There is a GENERAL decline in domestic audience, though, as Marvel has also seen such drops. But it generally takes a higher gross overall (four of its films have exceeded a billion). Deadpool is, once again, Fox's exception here as its overall gross beat that of GoTG and CA:TWS. (DoFP also beat CA: TWS).

My real disappointment is that it looks like we're unlikely to see Jean, Scott, Storm, Nightcrawler, Jubilee, Psylocke ever again.

I think XM:A may well have been an ill-conceived project, centred around a classic villain whose way-out appearance proved far too challenging to adapt through a real-life actor (and never really recovered from the Ivan Ooze criticisms). I don't hate the movie by any means but you can sense the whole thing is problematic, from the very first image that was released.

 

[GuestStar2004]

My real disappointment is that it looks like we're unlikely to see Jean, Scott, Storm, Nightcrawler, Jubilee, ever again.

Thats just silly thinking.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Unfortunately, you are the one making generalisations, with your tendency to melodrama.

I did not say DoFP was stale nor did I say the franchise was stale, I specifically said that XM:A came across as dated and stale.

DoFP was very good - though not perfect. It still had the typical problems such as secondary characters with no dialogue, substance or characterisation.

But, since you brought up the franchise as a whole, it's fair to say that it does need new blood. While we don't have the figures for how much of the box office gross came from each and every territory, we do have such figures for the domestic/USA gross.

X-Men (2001) - 53.1 per cent of worldwide gross from US
X2 (2003) - 52.7 per cent
X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) - 51 per cent
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) - 48.2 per cent
X-Men: First Class (2011) - 41.4 per cent
The Wolverine (2013) - 32 per cent
X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014) - 31.3 per cent
X-Men: Apocalypse (2016) - 28.6 per cent

That clearly shows a gradual decline in audience interest in the USA.

Deadpool, however, had 46.4 per cent of its world gross from the USA.

There is a GENERAL decline in domestic audience, though, as Marvel has also seen such drops. But it generally takes a higher gross overall (four of its films have exceeded a billion). Deadpool is, once again, Fox's exception here as its overall gross beat that of GoTG and CA:TWS. (DoFP also beat CA: TWS).

My real disappointment is that it looks like we're unlikely to see Jean, Scott, Storm, Nightcrawler, Jubilee, Psylocke ever again.

I think XM:A may well have been an ill-conceived project, centred around a classic villain whose way-out appearance proved far too challenging to adapt through a real-life actor (and never really recovered from the Ivan Ooze criticisms). I don't hate the movie by any means but you can sense the whole thing is problematic, from the very first image that was released.

Once again with bryan singer any future X-Men film is going to be different.

reality is FC cast doesn't have the appeal of original cast.

Deadpool Is whole different beast than X-Men.Deadpool Is comedy with very little ever taken seriously.X-Men while it certinly has moments of humor is at core far more serious and tackles issues.Quicksilver in DOFP basicly proved humor in that filmDeadpool takes piss on entire comic book movie genere.

Deadpool doesn't require anyone to think about any issues.it's just a bunch of jokes and violence.

 

[X-Maniac]

Thats just silly thinking.

Is it, though? I specifically meant the versions seen in XM:A, by the way. And why did you omit Psylocke from my quote?

I don't see any signs of a follow-up to XM:A, all we see is Fox swiftly moving on to focus on New Mutants, Deadpool 2 and Logan.

With XM:A having a low critical score and mediocre box office, you can see why Fox would want to move on swiftly, but it's a shame for those characters/actors I mentioned - they embodied their parts really, really well but were under-used and under-developed.