Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 43

[def28]

Deadpool doesn't require anyone to think about any issues.it's just a bunch of jokes and violence.

It was a bit more then that. Take the heart and drama out and it wouldn't have worked. The relationship aspect of that film is a big reason on why audiences and critics connected.

Right now the X-Men have played their themes into the ground and there are many films dealing with similar ideals and allegory. Just cause it's there doesn't make it good. Ultimately the majority want good well written characters above all. They need a new fresh route in tone and character focus. Be it Deadpool, X-Men, Justice Laegue, Gotham City Sirens or whatever the same rules apply. This is all the same mainstream audience being targeted after all.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Is it, though? I specifically meant the versions seen in XM:A, by the way. And why did you omit Psylocke from my quote?

Because I am more convinced we will see them then I am psylocke again, it could happen but I wouldn't call it a sure thing as the others.

I don't see any signs of a follow-up to XM:A, all we see is Fox swiftly moving on to focus on New Mutants, Deadpool 2 and Logan.

Either way if we get another X-Men movie it won't be untill 2019 so they have plenty of time to figure out what they are doing next.

And you make out new mutants is a desperation move from fox but they are just following through with the plan they had even before apoclaypse was released

Also depends on when new mutants is set I guess.

With XM:A having a low critical score and mediocre box office, you can see why Fox would want to move on swiftly, but it's a shame for those characters/actors I mentioned - they embodied their parts really, really well but were under-used and under-developed.

I honestly don't see what fox is doing after apocalypse as being anything different to what they were before apocalypse, I think you are reading way much into it personally.

 

[magneto23]

Is it, though? I specifically meant the versions seen in XM:A, by the way. And why did you omit Psylocke from my quote?

I don't see any signs of a follow-up to XM:A, all we see is Fox swiftly moving on to focus on New Mutants, Deadpool 2 and Logan.

With XM:A having a low critical score and mediocre box office, you can see why Fox would want to move on swiftly, but it's a shame for those characters/actors I mentioned - they embodied their parts really, really well but were under-used and under-developed.

You mean besides Kinberg saying he was working on it?

 

[def28]

He's also working on Fant4stic 2 allegedly.

Which is basically like throwing away at least 100m.

 

[Stan Lee]

the difference between that and Civil War was they harkened back to it.. with Tony asking Cap if he knew, and he saying "yes" (they called attention to it, not the specifics, but let the audience know it was a call back to cap finding out)

no where in Apocalypse does Xavier make reference to what jean is or who she could become, what he saw.. or how he was trying to make sure that never happened.. that's bad story telling. If you wanted to make a point of it.. you pay reference to it. a call back. via dialogue or imagery.. which none of that happened. Good story telling is not "let the fans speculate and figure it out for themselves"

His actions themselves alludes to that scene. The fact that he didn't put psyche blocks to hold her powers back(which created the Phoenix persona) like in the original timeline is enough to say that he was trying to prevent those events.

 

[Stan Lee]

it's a shame for those characters/actors I mentioned - they embodied their parts really, really well but were under-used and under-developed.

I wouldn't say they were under-used, they were more useful in that movie than Mystique. They were basically the heroes of that movie. Staged the Weapon X rescue, took on the Horsemen, saved Xavier, and took down Apocalypse. They got their fair share.

As for being under-developed, I completely disagree with Jean. She got a whole Frozen-esque story arc and shown why she has an attraction for Scott. The film also gave Scott a motive for becoming a superhero, though it was not executed well due to his scene with Havok being cut.

 

[marvelrobbins]

He's also working on Fant4stic 2 allegedly.

Which is basically like throwing away at least 100m.

Fox isn't going to make another FF film.all signs point to fox sitting on rights till it reverts In 2022

there needs to be more concrete evidance of another full X-men film besides Kinberg's vague comments.Maybe when Logan comes out there will be
more concrete answers to it.

Michael fassbender says he has heard nothing on another X-Men film if they were working ons cript as one trade suggested with hope of getting the FC stars back you think they would approach them.remember too fassbender does a lot of films at fox not just X-Men films.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I wouldn't say they were under-used, they were more useful in that movie than Mystique. They were basically the heroes of that movie. Staged the Weapon X rescue, took on the Horsemen, saved Xavier, and took down Apocalypse. They got their fair share.

As for being under-developed, I completely disagree with Jean. She got a whole Frozen-esque story arc and why she & Scott developed an attraction for each other.

I argue Jean is the real female lead of film.a shame too many ignored the fact jean and cyclops had important roles.For cyclops i defently saw singer trying to make up for lack of cyclops.School was introduced through scott.The begining of their relationship is key sub-plot of film.after stryker showed up they set up cyclops role as leader.If you view the 6 main X-Men films as a 6 part saga even with the time travel reboot Apocalypse brought certain characters to a conclusion.Xavier.Magneto.Jean.

 

[psylockolussus]

Jean had an important role. Cyclops? Not really. I don't see any crucial moment that he had at the climax of the film. Plus they killed Havok just for the sake of developing him more but we never really saw the brotherhood from them aside from a few scenes. The manifestion of his mutant powers was also random and had no real consequences to his everyday life like he didn't struggle that much as a new mutant especially Beast easily came up glasses that he could use. His development was full of fluff. Nothing really substantial.

 

[DavidHaller]

the only thing people here can speak about are boxoffice numbers...oh man...waste of time.

 

[def28]

What?

there needs to be more concrete evidance of another full X-men film besides Kinberg's vague comments.Maybe when Logan comes out there will be
more concrete answers to it.

I agree.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

the only thing people here can speak about are boxoffice numbers...oh man...waste of time.

There's nothing else to talk about. The movie was DoA once the Ooze photos released. And it came and went after it released nobody even really cared.


Talk about Time magazine giving it worst film of the year?

How about Mystique & Magneto not wanting to be in the movies anymore. So all that wasted time developing them instead of actual X-Men like the fans wanted.

Or about Singer leaving the franchise worst than he found it 16 years ago

 

[DavidHaller]

bull*****.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Perception is reality... Unless it'd an origin a comic movie is only as good as the villain.

And whoever designed this crap character design killed the movie. There was no more positive buzz. DoFP goodwill was gone!

I love X-Men as much as anyone but its better to laugh at the foolishness they put out then get mad.

I just wish social media was around in 2000 to blast those leather costumes we'd have real ones by now

 

[GuestStar2004]

How about Mystique & Magneto not wanting to be in the movies anymore. So all that wasted time developing them instead of actual X-Men like the fans wanted.

Wait what? while i won't talk for lawrence are you saying fassbender doesn't wanna come back? where did you get this information from because he hasn't said anything of the kind.

And no development is wasted development, they been in 6 movies already so its like saying they are wasting development on wolverine in Logan since its his last movie.

Also truth be told if push comes to shove they can recast very easy like for example if shipp somehow got out of playing storm because she didn't wanna come back... you think they wouldn't recast? you think many wouldn't expect a recast? but somehow if the actors for mystique and magneto leave then thats it? not at all.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

its like saying they are wasting development on wolverine in Logan since its his last movie.

IMO 16 years of focusing exclusively on Wolverine (including him in FC instead of just rebooting was so annoying) has been a waste. Because now that "X-Man" is retiring this whole franchise is thrown into a state of flux.

Which is why everyone should've got equal development from the start instead of 7 movies about Logan and how much he doesn't want to be there or be on a team.

Yet we wonder why nobody wants to watch these movies. the freaking main character doesn't even want to be on the team in the movies

 

[marvelrobbins]

quite honestly it's best for those like you and me actully fans of these franchise.look i look apocalypse more than you but he doesn't like any of
the films except for deadpool which is his right.just like i strongly disagree with the claim all of MCU is great.we are just going around in circles here.

the wolverine moaning does get tiring.we just had a trilogy where wolverine was only cameo in 2 and in one where he was mainly guide to xavier on
his journey.

some people just wanted to hate on apocalypse.and was on that from moment her look was revealed.It's fine to debate Apocalypse on the merets but some are just full on haters.to me the answer isn't reboot it's making better film.That has been my stench whenever there is disappointing franchise installment in any series.reboot is easy way out.

Fox was never going to reboot with first class.they still were doing another wolverine film.FC was clearly from singer and Donner intention backstory of xavier and magneto.people thought a film set in 1960's with Xavier and magneto in mid to last 20's with none of familar characters except beast and mystique was reboot? one problem we had that causes these debates was job vaughn did.he was inconsent was it prequel or reboot with how he mad the film.there are reasons why i call first class the most overrated X-Men film.

wolverine is most popular X-Man.that is fact.that was long before they made first X_Men and why he was made focal point of first film.in comics they also have been accused with putting wolverine everywhere.In X2 yes wolverine is head of ensemble but idea that it's only about wolverine with everyone else
in background is very wrong.Jean has important role.Nightcrawler has big introduction.nice storm/nightcrawler sub-plot.bit of focus on rogue/iceman relationship.nice sub-plot of pyro.it's others who actully save the prisoners and world while wolverine is pursuring his past.now last stand is just crap film and the wolverine critism is more valid.apart from his solo films wolverine hasn't dominated a full X-Men film since 2006.DOFP was more about first class characters than Wolverine.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

yes wolverine is head of ensemble but idea that it's only about wolverine with everyone else
in background is very wrong.

Movies should be called Wolverine & His X-Men or just W-Men. LoL

 

[DavidHaller]

I totally agree. "The Last Stand" is actually the only movie where Wolverine takes up way too much screen time and becomes ridiculously over-represented.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I don't mind Wolverine getting solo films that's great. But if nobody else gets solo movies until Deadpool finally then Wolverine doesn't need to be the MAIN character in all the other movies. That's a legitimate concern.


My only fear now is once Jackman realizes nobody likes his other films outside X-Men (He has a whole lot of box office duds recently Chappie Pan Eddie The Eagle) that he'll come steal the spotlight again.


My point is if X-Men is an ensemble then let it be. You have movies in this franchise where characters get one word of dialogue. It's such false advertising to announce these characters and have the actors give lip service for months before release and then they do jack **** on the film.

Then ppl wonder why life long fans get upset.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I totally agree. "The Last Stand" is actually the only movie where Wolverine takes up way too much screen time and becomes ridiculously over-represented.

yep.even in first X-men i would argue it wasn't all wolverine.he is focal charater yes and GA introduced world of X_men through him but his story is mirrored by rogue.first X-Men had best use of cyclops untill apocalypse.
In climax of film all of the X-men play a role in stopping magneto and saving rogue.

now i accept there will always be fights over fans on who should get focus in films.that has happened with the comics.with Xavier and cyclops as leaders that limits devolpment you can give storm.

majority of fans of the singer X-men films,wheither or not they love apocalypse,despise last stand so most fans can agree on last stand problem is some lump X-Men,X2,DOFP,and APocalypse with last stand.some singer X-Men films fans would have fine with singer pulling a superman returns and saying last stand and origins never happened.those 2 films did biggest damage to franchise.if box office is all that matters then as i argured reason why those films made more money than first class or apocalypse was GA wanted the see original cast.almost noone thinks Last stand is best X-men film and this is actully highest grossing film apart from deadpool in franchise domesticly so this says to me box office never reflects quality.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

almost noone thinks Last stand is best X-men film and this is actully highest grossing film apart from deadpool in franchise domesticly so this says to me box office never reflects quality.

There's so much wrong in your post but ill focus on this part the only reason Last Stand is highest is it was coming off X2 and the final of a trilogy is always the highest in box office.

Except Apocalypse which just shows how much people don't like X-Men proper anymore and that people didn't even care how the 30 year prequel idea ended.


Cyclops got the most development in X1 and Apocalypse. LoL that's a 16 year gap and he did nothing in either film regardless lol

 

[X-Maniac]

the only thing people here can speak about are boxoffice numbers...oh man...waste of time.

Box office success is what leads to more films being made. Studios need to recoup their budgets and make a profit.

Do join us in the real world when you get chance.

 

[DavidHaller]

Box office success is what leads to more films being made. Studios need to recoup their budgets and make a profit.

Do join us in the real world when you get chance.

not my world, honey.

 

[2kt09]

Cyclops got the most development in X1 and Apocalypse. LoL that's a 16 year gap and he did nothing in either film regardless lol

He got to do nothing in X1 outside of shooting lasers to help Wolvie.
Even young Cyclops in Origins teased this troublemaker persona Sheridan has.

Unless, you're that big of an OT fanboy, I don't see anyone who thinks Marsden's Cyclops is anything more than Lucas Till's Havok.