Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 44

[Frankeh]

Whats with the constant Deadpool bashing as well as ignoring that people liked other X-Men films? Every single post you have to do this. It's like anything that isn't Brian Singer and enjoyed by fans you seem to have an automatic bias against. I would have thought the success of a Fox film with audiences would have actually had a positive reaction from you haha. But it's been the opposite.

Yeah, its getting tiresome at this point, if someone was doing the same trashing all the X-Men films all the time (like that guy who got banned when Apocalypse was in production) he and most posters here wouldn't stand him. Its a double standard for sure.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

Does this MCU grudge get tiresome? Claiming that Sony "sold out" because they did what the majority of fans wanted and branding fans who want changes in X-Men "Singer haters" isn't the way to maintain conversation.



Except that isn't in the film at all. Alex brings Scott to the school himself. Charles is surprised to see him and remarks that it has been a long time since they've spoken.

point still remains that he knew of him, and where he was

even if he didn't have such an arrangement with Alex (he probably just truth Alex would decide when the time was right to bring him in on his own or not) as for him being surprised, Scott's powers were kinda lattened so he probably figured if Alex hadn't brought him in yet, he probably did get powers

 

[Stan Lee]

Kinda random:

I think when Kinberg was writing the script he thought Magneto would look older and thus wouldn't be easily recognizable. But Singer than decided to not make characters look older.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Kinda random:

I think when Kinberg was writing the script he thought Magneto would look older and thus wouldn't be easily recognizable. But Singer than decided to not make characters look older.

I am not so sure about that since when this week watching DOFP-the rogue cut and apocalypse on DVD with commantary SInger said Kinberg basicly wrote what singer told him too on DOFP one with John Ottman.unfortully a very valid critism of first class trilogy is with the decade hoping they made little attempt to make the characters look older.

 

[psylockolussus]

Kinda random:

I think when Kinberg was writing the script he thought Magneto would look older and thus wouldn't be easily recognizable. But Singer than decided to not make characters look older.

Jeez really?

 

[GuestStar2004]

Kinda random:

I think when Kinberg was writing the script he thought Magneto would look older and thus wouldn't be easily recognizable. But Singer than decided to not make characters look older.

Probably not, just how much older would you expect him to look?

 

[2kt09]

Probably not, just how much older would you expect him to look?

50s-60s...it's like every actor who gets to that age where they still seem ageless

 

[GuestStar2004]

50s-60s...it's like every actor who gets to that age where they still seem ageless

Well even if someone ages 10 years they won't be unrecognizable because of it, maybe if he grew a beard it could hide his face abit but thats about it.

 

[X-Maniac]

point still remains that he knew of him, and where he was

even if he didn't have such an arrangement with Alex (he probably just truth Alex would decide when the time was right to bring him in on his own or not) as for him being surprised, Scott's powers were kinda lattened so he probably figured if Alex hadn't brought him in yet, he probably did get powers

These are all massive assumptions not shown in the movie at all.

Despite Wolverine telling Xavier to look out for Jean, Scott and Storm, the Prof showed no intention of finding them and no recognition of them when they were there in front of him. There was no callback to that DoFP scene at all.

We also had the insult of the phrase X-Men being something mentioned by Mystique as what the first team had called themselves, when that clearly wasn't the case in First Class. This was, of course, an attempt to embed Mystique into X-Men mythos to validate her role as leader.

 

[BMM]

Yes, the movie makes it very clear that Xavier has no intention of finding Jean, despite the fact that she's already at the school. What???

 

[GuestStar2004]

This was, of course, an attempt to embed Mystique into X-Men mythos to validate her role as leader.

Really? That was what it was for? I am sure they wouldn't need to do that to validate anything if they wanted mystique to lead.

If anything It seemed to me more of a way to validate the FC team in a kind of pass the torch sorta way, it allowed FC and those character to be mentioned in the jet in a positive light and the older characters to acknowledge they were in the same position as the Scott and Jean in 1963, the next generation.

 

[X-Maniac]

Yes, the movie makes it very clear that Xavier has no intention of finding Jean, despite the fact that she's already at the school. What???

Jean is there, yes, but there is ZERO acknowledgement or callback of what Logan said in DoFP.

We don't even know how or under what circumstances Jean is there. She just is.

 

[X-Maniac]

Really? That was what it was for? I am sure they wouldn't need to do that to validate anything if they wanted mystique to lead.

If anything It seemed to me more of a way to validate the FC team in a kind of pass the torch sorta way, it allowed FC and those character to be mentioned in the jet in a positive light and the older characters to acknowledge they were in the same position as the Scott and Jean in 1963, the next generation.

I remember people on this forum arguing vigorously that the First Class team were NOT the X-Men. Except now it turns out they WERE the first X-Men.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I remember people on this forum arguing vigorously that the First Class team were NOT the X-Men. Except now it turns out they WERE the first X-Men.

Haha this is true. I still remember this argument.

 

[psylockolussus]

Those weren't the X-Men but I guess Fox saw our disagreement and decided to retcon it in Apocalypse that those were actually the X-Men in First Class. Great thinking.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

I think people take Mystique's speech too literal...

she was trying to inspire and motivate the young group (as part of her story arc of her accepting an embracing her role as a mutant role-model, that she has been running from) so she made the story more relatable to them, by claiming she was the same age as them, and suggesting that the team actually had a name to make them seem more legit then they actually were... it doesn't mean things happened the exact way she described

telling the truth of the matter probably would have traumatized them lol

"I was like in my 30s an scared sh**less, we weren't really a team, we had no name, we all almost died on our first mission which also happened to be our last mission together as I then joined the bad guys while Xavier lied on the beach paralyzed"... isn't really a good motivational speech lol

 

[Stan Lee]

Beast in an earlier scene says that he had tried to convince Charles to "form" the X-Men. Rather than "reform".

Singer in interviews prior to the film's release said that he doesn't consider that team in First Class as the official X-Men.

This movie is ultimately not just about the defense of the world itself, but it's also about the formation of the X-Men,” Singer said. “We've never really seen that. In X-Men: First Class, there's a group that forms for the CIA, and most of them are killed.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05/02/x-menas-professor-x-is-christ-and-apocalypse-is-a-false-god

Probably not, just how much older would you expect him to look?

He's be in his 50s-60s. Could have had him with wrinkles and grayish hair.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I think people take Mystique's speech too literal...

she was trying to inspire and motivate the young group (as part of her story arc of her accepting an embracing her role as a mutant remodel, that she has been running from) so she made the story more relatable to them, by claiming she was the same age as them, and suggesting that the team actually had a name to make them seem more legit then they actually were... it doesn't mean things happened the exact way she described

telling the truth of the matter probably would have dramatized them lol

"I was like in my 30s an scared sh**less, we weren't really a team, we had no name, we all almost died on our first mission which also happened to be our last mission together as I then joined the bad guys while Xavier lied on the beach paralyzed"... isn't really a good motivational speech lol

I think you meant traumatized?

I would've bought it if Mystique knowingly tried to be deceitful. After all this is why fans love to hate Mystique. She's not a goody two shoes. She might do good things but ultimately it benefits number 1: Mystique.

Missed opportunity.

Beast in an earlier scene says that he had tried to convince Charles to "form" the X-Men. Rather than "reform".

Singer in interviews prior to the film's release said that he doesn't consider that team in First Class as the official X-Men.

"This movie is ultimately not just about the defense of the world itself, but it's also about the formation of the X-Men,” Singer said. “We've never really seen that. In X-Men: First Class, there's a group that forms for the CIA, and most of them are killed."

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05/02/x-menas-professor-x-is-christ-and-apocalypse-is-a-false-god

That settles it. This was a mistake that should've been corrected.

 

[Stan Lee]

Why do some of you think that Mystique being "leader" was meant to be permanent when this was always going to be Jlaw's last movie?

 

[EnDz0n3]

If only that were true but the report from THR (?) says otherwise. Kinberg is writing a script with McAvoy, Fassbender and JLaw in mind.

 

[Stan Lee]

If only that were true but the report from THR (?) says otherwise. Kinberg is writing a script with McAvoy, Fassbender and JLaw in mind.

Kinberg wants her but JLaw doesn't want him, based on the Passengers interview.

 

[X-Maniac]

I think people take Mystique's speech too literal...

she was trying to inspire and motivate the young group (as part of her story arc of her accepting an embracing her role as a mutant role-model, that she has been running from) so she made the story more relatable to them, by claiming she was the same age as them, and suggesting that the team actually had a name to make them seem more legit then they actually were... it doesn't mean things happened the exact way she described

telling the truth of the matter probably would have traumatized them lol

"I was like in my 30s an scared sh**less, we weren't really a team, we had no name, we all almost died on our first mission which also happened to be our last mission together as I then joined the bad guys while Xavier lied on the beach paralyzed"... isn't really a good motivational speech lol

She didn't really need to say 'We called ourselves the X-Men' though, especially if it wasn't even Singer's intention that they were the first X-Men.

Bizarre to say the least.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I remember people on this forum arguing vigorously that the First Class team were NOT the X-Men. Except now it turns out they WERE the first X-Men.

I remember that also, there were people insisting they were X-Men because they were in a movie called X-Men: First class and they were in those comic outfits and when you suit up that made you an official X-Man.

 

[GuestStar2004]

He's be in his 50s-60s. Could have had him with wrinkles and grayish hair.

Well alot of mid 50 year olds ain't grey or covered in wrinkles, its just a young people expectation of 50 year olds being super incredibly old

Although funny enough about the age thing is that Xavier in Logan says he is 90 which would him something like 21 - 23 in FC so he would be early 40s in apocalypse, so i imagine Magneto wouldn't be far from the same age

Why do some of you think that Mystique being "leader" was meant to be permanent when this was always going to be Jlaw's last movie?

Because there was nothing to back up that this would be her last movie, not officially anyway when there is such thing as negotiation.

Although if you listen to kinberg and Singer they both have made it sound like if a member of the FC cast doesn't come back it won't stop them from working around or getting someone else so while fans obsess over the idea everyone is kissing jlaws ass i actually think those involved basically are just saying if she comes back to play the character then great and if she doesn't oh well thats a shame.

As for being the leader, i sometimes think people way over think the whole leader thing because in Apocalypse there was nothing that directly officially put her in the leader position, she is an elder experienced character yeah but at what point did they say she was the leader of the X-Men? you are all creating that idea yourselves.

I mean just looking at the way the team was set up in apocalypse at the end they put a center focus on cyclops so its possible in the next movie he will lead the group but its also possible they could make it an arc and want him to earn it.

Personally i don't want them to be comic caricatures so i am fine if cyclops has to work for it, the whole obsessive weird view on if you are the leader it makes you super important just seems silly to me.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Kinberg wants her but JLaw doesn't want him, based on the Passengers interview.

Shawn Madden who has sources at fox says he expects shift in focus and says he would be surprised if Lawrence and fassbender return.also as you said lawrence clearly has disdan fro X-Men.and there is fact fox which partly went into prequels/new timeline because it would be cheaper might not want to pay her.films do have change.at one time kinberg was writing DOFP with different time traveler and wolverine was only going to be in future scenes.