Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 44

[henzINNIT]

This is the film that undercut a character death with a Quicksilver comedy montage. It definitely had problems establishing threat.

Apocalypse wasn't "liked better" by comic fans at all. There's just a group of people who find tremendous value in all those references. It's become a big defense for some, when for many others a reference isn't nearly enough to save a dud film.

 

[X-Maniac]

Yes, it's the execution of the story, really.

While I don't think X2 showed enough of the destructive effect of 'Dark Cerebro', I think this showed too much destruction - like the sunken ship rising from the ocean floor and a whole load of shipping containers flying around. And did we need to see more bridges being wrecked?

Spectacle is important, but too much is numbing.

Apocalypse himself had too much screentime, which showed off the questionable make-up too much. He also had some questionable lines of dialogue.

I don't hate the movie, but i can see why it is polarising and why critics did not go easy on it. It needed more substance.

I LOVE almost all the extended/deleted scenes, they add so much warmth and heart to the movie and really make you connect to the kids, you know the actual X-Men. Didn't need Erik's lullaby though, or the extended Moira memory on the jet, or Beast handing over the visor to Scott...

I would so LOVE an extended edition

 

[Frankeh]

Another problem is those destruction porn visuals aren't really anything new or impressive. Pop in Man of Steel or any other Roland Emmerich movie and you'll get pretty much the same thing.

What should've been impressive were the power displays, the mutant on mutant battles, teamups, etc. of the final battle. But they spent their money on all the other uninteresting things (Quicksilver scene 2.0! Destruction!) instead.

And yeah Apocalypse may have comic-accurate motivations and a couple of accurate lines, but when the guy is shorter than his horsemen, wearing a wonky costume, has a non-threatening voice, overdone prosthetics and makeup, and little of his comic powers, I'd have to say he wasn't served well.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Mystique and Quicksilver couldn't do ANYTHING to stop Magneto. No action.
Mystique talked to him. And Quicksilver was there. Magneto just recognized his son. He just started to think of him as a "son". It was VERY subtle, and it was very poetic and NOT unpredictable at all.
That caused Magneto to change.
It was perfect.

I am pretty sure magneto had no idea quicksilver was his son in that moment, they will explore that at some point.

Having him need and kidnap Xavier was a waste of time imo.

Not really it was part of the threat, you see what he could do with Xaviers powers and he himself could likely enhance them even further so he would basically be unstoppable if he had access to control people.

We already see those attempt to fight back against him in the opening but then he didn't have the power to control or even brainwash to be able to assure that would never happen.

it could be argued there is more substance to him because he hungers power rather then just a bad guy who wants to destroy the world.

 

[Mutant 77]

I am pretty sure magneto had no idea quicksilver was his son in that moment, they will explore that at some point.

In DOFP, Quicksilver hinted at his father to him, a man whose powers were obviously magnetic, and he gave a look as: "Oh damn..... it's me... it's my son".

And sure as hell, Magneto had the time in 1973-1983 to discover that Quicksilver was Peter Maximoff.

 

[GuestStar2004]

In DOFP, Quicksilver hinted at his father to him, a man whose powers were obviously magnetic, and he gave a look as: "Oh damn..... it's me... it's my son".

And sure as hell, Magneto had the time in 1973-1983 to discover that Quicksilver was Peter Maximoff.

I am pretty sure the idea is meant to be that he doesn't know.

 

[Mutant 77]

I am pretty sure the idea is meant to be that he doesn't know.

NO, because you can see in "Apocalypse" THAT last shot of Magneto watching Quicksilver while Mystique is talking about family... very subtle, very smart.

 

[GuestStar2004]

NO, because you can see in "Apocalypse" THAT last shot of Magneto watching Quicksilver while Mystique is talking about family... very subtle, very smart.

Probably subtle to the point of non-existent as it would open questions as to why magneto would ask quicksilver why he was there and more so why he didn't even bother talking to him at the end or even make any effort towards him at all.

there is nothing that points to magneto knowing at all.

 

[Mutant 77]

Probably subtle to the point of non-existent as it would open questions as to why magneto would ask quicksilver why he was there and more so why he didn't even bother talking to him at the end or even make any effort towards him at all.

They were busy saving the world from world's most powerful mutant. And it was a matter of moments.
It was perfect the way it is.
See the people still complaining about "MARTHA" and the overexposure.
I bet people are never satisfied in America these days.

 

[Samuron]

I think you're seeing something that isn't there; I can't see any indication that Magneto aware of it at all.

 

[Mutant 77]

I think you're seeing something that isn't there; I can't see any indication that Magneto aware of it at all.

It is in there.

 

[Frankeh]

Not really it was part of the threat, you see what he could do with Xaviers powers and he himself could likely enhance them even further so he would basically be unstoppable if he had access to control people.

Oh c'mon, he decimated Cairo in seconds with his bare hands -- no help from Xavier.

At the end of the day his power set is undefined, yet we're just supposed to believe he can't mind control (out of all things) so he conveniently needs Xavier.

I don't think it really added anything. The plot of this movie is paper-thin, and the cartoon or comic plot also being paper-thin is not an excuse.

it could be argued there is more substance to him because he hungers power rather then just a bad guy who wants to destroy the world.

Not really, being power hungry isn't any more dimensional than wanting to destroy the world. They're both villain tropes. And he DID want to destroy the world anyway.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Pretty amazing 50+ still lurk this forum

 

[Mutant 77]

Oh c'mon, he decimated Cairo in seconds with his bare hands -- no help from Xavier.

At the end of the day his power set is undefined, yet we're just supposed to believe he can't mind control (out of all things) so he conveniently needs Xavier.

What? Xavier is the most powerful telepath in the world. He's special. Apocalypse just has minor/standard telepathy and astral power. Just that. He wanted control. Xavier is unique in history. Marvel just created him this way in 1963.

So what's the problem? Have you ever read an X-Men comic book issue? I doubt it.

Cut the crap, this movie is epic.

 

[psyonic]

Sorry lul X:A is not an epic movie. The trailers made it look epic but it was not, just like the X3 trailers, made it look soo good but nope.

 

[Mutant 77]

Sorry lul X:A is not an epic movie. The trailers made it look epic but it was not, just like the X3 trailers, made it look soo good but nope.

Your opinion.

 

[Samuron]

Have you ever read an X-Men comic book issue? I doubt it.

Cut the crap, this movie is epic.

I can't speak for others here, but I was reading them as one of my regular titles when Star Wars was still in theaters.

IMO, Apocalypse was just a stand-in for Proteus. The movie was OK, but not epic.

 

[Legion]

Sorry lul X:A is not an epic movie. The trailers made it look epic but it was not, just like the X3 trailers, made it look soo good but nope.

I thought the trailers were pretty weak. I wasn't nearly as excited for this film as I was for FC and DoFP.

I can't speak for others here, but I was reading them as one of my regular titles when Star Wars was still in theaters.

IMO, Apocalypse was just a stand-in for Proteus. The movie was OK, but not epic.

"If you didn't like the film you must not be a true fan.". I hate that sentiment.

A better portrayal of Apocalypse would have done wonders for the film. Power wise he was just another character that stands around waving his hands and making gestures.

He should have been a powerful melee character with an incredible mind to accompany his strength. He's immortal and can wait years for his plans to unfold. In the film he wakes up and starts recruiting the first mutants he crosses paths with. He sees something, "Oh I want that!".


Being another blue character didn't help him stand out either.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

I feel like X-Men Apocalypse was an Epic movie. I really loved. I really would love to see it get an extended version.

 

[Mutant 77]

I feel like X-Men Apocalypse was an Epic movie. I really loved. I really would love to see it get an extended version.

+1

Terrific movie.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

I am pretty sure magneto had no idea quicksilver was his son in that moment, they will explore that at some point.



Not really it was part of the threat, you see what he could do with Xaviers powers and he himself could likely enhance them even further so he would basically be unstoppable if he had access to control people.

We already see those attempt to fight back against him in the opening but then he didn't have the power to control or even brainwash to be able to assure that would never happen.

it could be argued there is more substance to him because he hungers power rather then just a bad guy who wants to destroy the world.

Aren't they rebooting the franchise?

I heard that the Xmen may finally be coming to the MCU. That may be the reason that the Inhumans got pushed back to an unknown date.

Lets all pray!

 

[Weather Witch]

Aren't they rebooting the franchise?

No they aren't.

I heard that the Xmen may finally be coming to the MCU. That may be the reason that the Inhumans got pushed back to an unknown date.

I'm afraid you heard wrong. Well no-- actually I'm happy that's not going to be a thing.

 

[henzINNIT]

Sorry lul X:A is not an epic movie.

I don't know. The 43% drop from DOFP on Rotten Tomatoes is pretty epic.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

your free to hate apocalypse but truth was it did fairly accurate job with apocalypse.Apocalypse is not a very deep villain.he is a burn the world down so the strongest led by him can rule.even him using bodies and wanting to put his consenious in xavier wasn't invention of filmmakers.

First off stop, you have no idea what you are talking about. The dialogue they gave apocalypse was beyond awful. Appearance awful, voice awful, power set awful, it was just the second worst depiction of a marvel character after Galactus in Fan4 two. This film is beyond awful. They have no idea how to bring a comic book character to life.

One day Marvel will make an apocalypse film and it will be amazing. Everything fox has done is trash. They are nothing compared to the MCU.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't know. The 43% drop from DOFP on Rotten Tomatoes is pretty epic.

It was apocalyptic, no pun intended.