Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - Part 12

[psylockolussus]

Still hoping famke janssen is in this <3

She isn't.

 

[Cktopl33]

Your reply wasn't addressed to me but it's clear you think it's possible there are not any reshoots, because you say 'may or may NOT'.

This means you believe there is a chance that there are no reshoots for Dark Phoenix.

That's a ridiculous standpoint because all these big Hollywood blockbusters have additional filming these days.

Secondly, reshoots are hardly ever officially announced.

Info is usually leaked, or fans start speculating something is going on, and then on rare occasions reshoots are sometimes confirmed.

In the case of Fox's Predator reboot, the co-writer eventually confirmed reshoots (which he called "little touch-ups") after the film's release was twice delayed (from February to August and then to September), and after mixed responses to test screenings. A cast member later said "just about three-quarters of the third act was rewritten."

That doesn't seem that different to what's happening with Dark Phoenix. Test screenings to the public apparently had a mixed/poor response (though earlier screenings to execs and their families were said to be positive) and the film is being pushed back, and there will be reworking of the third act for the reshoots.

With two big films getting reworking of the third act and new release dates, plus all the various troubles with New Mutants, and Gambit losing three directors, it does look like the studio is floundering.

I'm not sure if people at Fox are panicking about getting things right to protect jobs they think will be lost in the takeover deal, or whether there is just a festering heap of poor management. It just doesn't look good.

That's not stating there are NO reshoots. That would be this: "Dark Phoenix is having no reshoots at all, period." I don't see how that's hard to understand. I said there may or may not be reshoots, which was the truth, and we won't know unless stated otherwise by the director, actors, crew, or studio. All of that is documented in what I wrote. I took a neutral position because there weren't any official announcements on the subject at the time. I was quite aware that there could be an announcement from official sources, which is why I never stated there weren't any reshoots. And as we have seen, Kinberg officially came forward with info about doing reshoots. Therefore, not just based on rumor.

When I say "official", I mean sources directly tied to the movie: director, actors, crew members, or the studio. Not someone who knows someone, who knows someone.

As for what the actual reshoots involve, that's anyone's guess. But there's no indication it's anything significant at this point beyond typical reshoots. It's not like we're hearing "50% of Dark Phoenix reshot!" Regardless of the other movies released by Fox, all the information tied to the rumors of the third act for Dark Phoenix suggest these are not scenes involving significant major visual effects work or large reworkings of the plot, certain not to the level of something like Justice League. Nor are we getting any similar info from any official sources to suggest such a thing. And the rumored cost for the reshoots are typical standard costs for any film reshoots, not simply a huge blockbuster. So I have to disagree there. The only official source on the reshoots, from Kinberg, states this:

“It’s normal for all these big movies now,” Kinberg shared with Entertainment Weekly. “We’ll go back when we can get all those actors together, and then it will give me enough time to have it ready and looking perfect.”

To his point, it is normal for these type of movies. Avengers 4 is undergoing reshoots later this year (coming from cast, not merely rumor). The same was said for that film, "normal for movies of this size". Kinberg didn't specifically mention the reshoots were for the third act. Third act reshoot is based on 'insider' rumor claims. But all the rumors concerning a third act still don't seem to indicate anything major in regard to reshoots:

"It seems those X-men: Dark Phoenix reshoots we heard about may not be as extensive as previously reported. According to a new report, the reshoots will primarily focus on strengthening the third act. According to their sources, the movie wrapped under-budget last fall and has already completed a decent amount of post-production work. With their stars' schedules already booked for a majority of the year, the studio decided it would be in everyone's best interest to move the film back three months rather than rush an unfinished product into theaters this November (see: Justice League). The additional photography, which is expected to take place sometime in late summer/early fall with new script pages from Kinberg, will reportedly cost around $10 million to complete, which seemingly suggests that they'll be mostly filming new dialogue and/or some of the less-demanding action beats rather than anything CGI-heavy or introducing a new character."

"The extent of the new material isn’t known as Simon Kinberg, the X-Men franchise writer-producer who is making his directorial debut with Dark Phoenix, has yet to pen anything. But one insider expects the shoot to cost under $10 million and to take place in late summer/early fall. The cost of $10 million isn't chump change, but this definitely doesn't sound like a case of a budget spiraling out of control."

"And while the reported reshoots for X-Men: Dark Phoenix aren't as large, the outside schedules of the actors (some 'A-list') needed for those reshoots is already booked up through August or September 2018."

"The delay now puts the film in a less competitive slot. While reshoots are often met with consternation, they are not always cause for alarm. Reshoots are built-in to the budgets of blockbuster films, and the fact that Dark Phoenix has come in under budget to this point and we haven't heard anything troubling is encouraging. It is also possible that the late summer timeframe for the reshoots is due to the in-demand nature of the film's stars, including Game of Thrones's Sophie Turner."

"In the case of Dark Phoenix, the Simon Kinberg-directed movie recently had a test screening, where it was determined what worked in the film and what did not. That led to the call for additional shooting -- something, it should be said, that is pretty standard operating procedure these days for almost every tentpole-level picture. The problem for Dark Phoenix came down to scheduling: the film has an A-list cast that includes Jennifer Lawrence, Michael Fassbender, Jessica Chastain and James McAvoy, and getting them together for more shooting has proven harder than anticipated. The earliest that everyone is available is August or September, which the studio felt was cutting it too close to the movie’s original November release. While the Dark Phoenix scenario seems to indicate simple scheduling issues instead of problems with the film itself, the New Mutants situation is more thorny."

It doesn't sound like the film had to be pushed back because of the reshoots, but felt the quality would be rushed if they didn't change the release date. Seems that Kinberg wants to avoid similar quality to Singer's Apocalypse so he's spending more time on post work.

 

[magneto23]

I can already see the talking points coming out if this movie sucks. The movie was previously a perfect Simon Kinberg-directed part 1 movie of a 2-part series, that Disney had to unceremoniously ruin by having him wrap it up in 1. All the missing character development from other characters would’ve been done in that second film. But ooooh Dat Disney!!!1!

I for one am kind of worried about this scenario. You plan out two movies. Shoot part one. Then have to go back and squeeze part two in to what? an extra 30 minutes? Maybe they allow for more. Doubt they would release some 3 hour epic. Hopefully it was always meant to be just one.

 

[Cktopl33]

The plan was actually for three movies, another trilogy. So it doesn't sound like they are trying to squeeze two movies into one. Dark Phoenix is its own contained movie like most of the x-men films. There's no information that the reshoots require major extensive shooting. I had a suspicion they might be changing a scene with clues for another movie like the end of X2 indicating clues for the third film (if third act rumors are true, its likely an end dialogue scene(s) that may take a week or two to shoot). But this doesn't seem like it would end with a cliff hanger like infinity war. The x-men films never end that way.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Fox is messing these productions one way or another. That or they are just signing mediocre writers that later need even more rewrites after filming is done/screenings. So... maybe they should sign better writers?

Thats not uncommon for any studio though

It doesn't sound like the film had to be pushed back because of the reshoots, but felt the quality would be rushed if they didn't change the release date..

There was an article that said FOX and Kinberg had a desire to move the release date for sometime now since it was going up against the Nutcracker which would have stood out more to the Christmas holiday crowd

 

[X-Maniac]

That's not stating there are NO reshoots. That would be this: "Dark Phoenix is having no reshoots at all, period." I don't see how that's hard to understand. I said there may or may not be reshoots, which was the truth, and we won't know unless stated otherwise by the director, actors, crew, or studio. All of that is documented in what I wrote. I took a neutral position because there weren't any official announcements on the subject at the time. I was quite aware that there could be an announcement from official sources, which is why I never stated there weren't any reshoots. And as we have seen, Kinberg officially came forward with info about doing reshoots. Therefore, not just based on rumor.

You need to apply yourself to comprehension.

You said there 'may or may NOT' be reshoots. I never said you STATED that there weren't any, but you clearly stated that there MAY or MAY NOT be reshoots.

That means you thought it was quite POSSIBLE that there were NO RESHOOTS, fitting the 'may not' part of your sentence.

I'm saying it's not possible and that there will definitely be reshoots, because they happen on all these films.

Kinberg's quote that it's "normal for these type of movies" backs me up.

What we are all wondering is the extent of the reshoots and the reason for them being done.

You're clearly connected to Kinberg or Fox and on some desperate damage control mission.

Too late for that. Problems with New Mutants and Gambit and the mystery over reshoots for Dark Phoenix indicate this franchise is already damaged. At this point, a Disney takeover looks like a great option and the only one to make the X-Men viable and as popular with the mainstream as they should be.

 

[Cktopl33]

You need to apply yourself to comprehension.

You said there 'may or may NOT' be reshoots. I never said you STATED that there weren't any, but you clearly stated that there MAY or MAY NOT be reshoots.

That means you thought it was quite POSSIBLE that there were NO RESHOOTS, fitting the 'may not' part of your sentence.

I'm saying it's not possible and that there will definitely be reshoots, because they happen on all these films.

Kinberg's quote that it's "normal for these type of movies" backs me up.

What we are all wondering is the extent of the reshoots and the reason for them being done.

You're clearly connected to Kinberg or Fox and on some desperate damage control mission.

Too late for that. Problems with New Mutants and Gambit and the mystery over reshoots for Dark Phoenix indicate this franchise is already damaged. At this point, a Disney takeover looks like a great option and the only one to make the X-Men viable and as popular with the mainstream as they should be.

My response was due to another poster who claimed I stated there were no reshoots, which is why I wanted it clarified. I said there 'may or may not' be reshoots in regard to that specific rumor. I wanted to make clear I wasn't stating that particular rumor as fact without an official source to back it.

It's always possible for a film not to have reshoots. Reshoots are generally budgeted into the production cost as a safety measure. Not all movies undergo reshoots.

Please, tell me specifically how I'm connected to Kinberg or Fox, since you have so much intel on the matter? I'm not talking about the franchise, I'm talking about one movie. Each movie has their own creative team responsible for their own film just like Deadpool 2 team were responsible for their reshoots. Isn't it strange you don't see your own bias here? Should we then wonder to what extent are the Avengers 4 reshoots and the reason for them being done since they really haven't given any information about it? If you are told "it's nothing to worry about, even though we wrapped production back in Jan we're just doing some reshoots in the last few months this year"....do we then say "they're doing damage control for Disney because they haven't explain the extent of their reshoots"?

Tom Holland and Daisy Ridley are allegedly doing reshoots at the end of this year for "Chaos Walking" which they shot last year. The release date of the film may also be pushed back because of complicated scheduling issues, similar to the situation with Dark Phoenix. Reshoots for that movie are expected to last up to three weeks. Now, due to that claim should we also say Lionsgate is doing damage control simply because insiders point out that the delay is due to the fact that the movie's two stars are so in demand? Does that make the reshoots a mystery too? Reshoots are typically planned in advance in budget costs and number of days needed, not necessarily actors schedules which is why they tend to be shot months later after the initial shoot.

 

[Jh7058622]

You need to apply yourself to comprehension.

You said there 'may or may NOT' be reshoots. I never said you STATED that there weren't any, but you clearly stated that there MAY or MAY NOT be reshoots.

That means you thought it was quite POSSIBLE that there were NO RESHOOTS, fitting the 'may not' part of your sentence.

I'm saying it's not possible and that there will definitely be reshoots, because they happen on all these films.

Kinberg's quote that it's "normal for these type of movies" backs me up.

What we are all wondering is the extent of the reshoots and the reason for them being done.

You're clearly connected to Kinberg or Fox and on some desperate damage control mission.

Too late for that. Problems with New Mutants and Gambit and the mystery over reshoots for Dark Phoenix indicate this franchise is already damaged. At this point, a Disney takeover looks like a great option and the only one to make the X-Men viable and as popular with the mainstream as they should be.

Marvel switch directors due massive reshoots all the time. Ant-Man being the one that stands out to me most. It doesn't mean there movie frsnchise are somehow "damaged" good one but try again.

 

[Cktopl33]

There was an article that said FOX and Kinberg had a desire to move the release date for sometime now since it was going up against the Nutcracker which would have stood out more to the Christmas holiday crowd

Yeah I know. That was part of the rumor for the reshoots. I was saying the reshoots aren't necessarily the reason why they were changing the release date, since the rumors seem to indicate that Fox could still have chosen to release it in Nov. But Kinberg indicated he wanted it perfected and might not have been satisfied with the quality of the film if it were released then....not that it wouldn't be completed by November since there is no indication that the reshoots are major. According to the rumor, they were planning ahead of time to release it later anyway and they simply weren't happy with the November release date chosen in general.

 

[Frankeh]

Dark Phoenix is its own contained movie like most of the x-men films.

You have no way of knowing that.

Also, yeah I do think that Kinberg quote is slightly dishonest because while reshoots are normal, movies not being able to meet their release date isn't. Clearly there was an error in judgement when the November release date was set and no excuses (scheduling, test screenings, Black Panther month) will eliminate it.

 

[X-Maniac]

Marvel switch directors due massive reshoots all the time. Ant-Man being the one that stands out to me most. It doesn't mean there movie frsnchise are somehow "damaged" good one but try again.

The franchise is hardly in a healthy state.

All the problems with New Mutants - according to Slugzilla, it will never be released - and with finding a director for Gambit do not sound like a sign of a healthy and untroubled franchise.

Now we have Dark Phoenix needing a reworking to its third act similar to that of Predator. It's also necessitated shifting the movie to a new release date - which is also one that's less competitive.

The MCU is far from perfect but it's clearly in a much healthier state. If only Fox was as invested in its CBM properties.

At this point, it seems only right that DP is the swansong and that Fox's CBMs are absorbed into the MCU.

 

[GuestStar2004]

All this talk about Reshoots for DP when no one really knows what the reshoots are even for.

Could indeed be there to cover up a problem or maybe its just there because they taken notes from screenings, decided to change something and moved the release date to a considered better date to give more time on it.

Like with DOFP it was said those reshoots were gonna be "big" for that film, same questionable panic over what it meant for the film, but it actually wasn't worth the fuss it was made out to be.

 

[GuestStar2004]

You have no way of knowing that.

Also, yeah I do think that Kinberg quote is slightly dishonest because while reshoots are normal, movies not being able to meet their release date isn't. Clearly there was an error in judgement when the November release date was set and no excuses (scheduling, test screenings, Black Panther month) will eliminate it.

Many films have been pushed back, Star Wars: Episode 8 was pushed back months. Even Titanic was pushed back in 1997 so Cameron could do more work on it.

Most of the time its either to have more time to work on it or its in the hope of maximizing box office potential.

Whether it was pushed back because they couldn't meet their release or it was pushed back for creative or box office reasons that isn't something we have any facts on.

 

[SumT]

THR with actual sources at Fox was the first one to reavel the cost of the reshoots and what Fox wanted to reshoot: the third act.

I dont understand why some are trying so hard to cover that up. THR is legit, they have sources and Fox and they revealed the reason of the reshoots. The third act had isssues that Fox wanted to fix. What more do we need? and that aside, movie was pushed back 3 months, so the reshoots arent small. This is a bigger issue. Some dont want to accept this? its up to you lol.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well lets look at it like this...

The Fox film, now pushed to a February 2019 release date, has a third act that needs some reworking.

Yes there it is right there, "the 3rd act needs reworking". now lets look at what else it says

The extent of the new material isn’t known as Simon Kinberg, the X-Men franchise writer-producer who is making his directorial debut with Dark Phoenix, has yet to pen anything. But one insider expects the shoot to cost under $10 million and to take place in late summer/early fall.

Under $10 mil isn't much for major reshoots. The average movie reshoots cost is $6 mil to $10 mil.

This isn't necessarily a bad sign for the feature. Some amount of reshoots — “additional photography” or “pick-ups” are other terms sometimes used — are slotted for most big-budget productions of this type.

Ok sure.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...shoots-as-simon-kinberg-tweaks-script-1097808

 

[magneto23]

and that aside, movie was pushed back 3 months, so the reshoots arent small. This is a bigger issue. Some dont want to accept this? its up to you lol.

We don't know anything. They could be changing the entire ending. Or maybe adding some action beats to spice up the third act. We don't know. So there is nothing to "accept" right now. And the fact that it was pushed back 3 months could easily be chalked up to Turner's schedule. Seeing as GOT is still filming their final season.

 

[Frankeh]

And the fact that it was pushed back 3 months could easily be chalked up to Turner's schedule.

Why wasn't that taken into account when the movie was dated? In her contract? GOT just calls and she has to drop everything?

You don't know that for sure either. And as far as we know it isn't just her, this time window they've opened is to be able to group everyone. If its so standard why weren't their schedules contemplated?

 

[magneto23]

Why wasn't that taken into account when the movie was dated?

Beats me.

In her contract? GOT just calls and she has to drop everything?

Yeah.

You don't know that for sure either. And as far as we know it isn't just her, this time window they've opened is to be able to group everyone. If its so standard why weren't their schedules contemplated?

No clue why all this wasn't factored in ahead of time. I know its a lot of people, but still. I mentioned Turner's schedule because I personally feel, without any evidence mind you, that her schedule screwed all this up. The final season of GOT is taking extra long to wrap up. They can't hold all these other actor's schedules hostage while they wait on Turner. So you're right it can't be just her.

 

[SumT]

Why wasn't that taken into account when the movie was dated? In her contract? GOT just calls and she has to drop everything?

You don't know that for sure either. And as far as we know it isn't just her, this time window they've opened is to be able to group everyone. If its so standard why weren't their schedules contemplated?

some people act like Game of thrones is "the Sophie Turner show", where's she's the big lead and needs to film 10 months non stop Dont people know that the final season will be smaller than all previous ones?

if Sophie filmed XMA without any problem, with XMDP having a much longer post production she shouldnt have any issue. This is just damage control lol. And some fans just believe its "the normal thing" as Kinberg says. yeah, sure, Mr. Smith t:

 

[psylockolussus]

All is well under Fox!

 

[GuestStar2004]

some people act like Game of thrones is "the Sophie Turner show", where's she's the big lead and needs to film 10 months non stop Dont people know that the final season will be smaller than all previous ones?

Presumably GOT has first say on Sophie right now.

Reminds me of what Ben hardy said recently. He said he feels owned by fox because of the contract he has with X-Men since it makes it so that he has to let fox know every time he wants to audition for a role.

You also find a lot of actors either get lucky enough to be allowed to work on a film while doing a show like Evan Peters with AHS or many tend to decide to leave a TV role so they can be allowed to work on something else.

 

[magneto23]

some people act like Game of thrones is "the Sophie Turner show", where's she's the big lead and needs to film 10 months non stop Dont people know that the final season will be smaller than all previous ones?

Its going to be shorter not smaller. They took nearly two whole months to film a single episode. She might not be the most important, but she is very much a main player on that show.

if Sophie filmed XMA without any problem, with XMDP having a much longer post production she shouldnt have any issue. This is just damage control lol. And some fans just believe its "the normal thing" as Kinberg says. yeah, sure, Mr. Smith t:

GOT has never had a filming schedule like this though. The way I understand it is they started later and are filming longer. Maybe just maybe it really was too difficult to work around GOT and wrangle up all these other actors.

 

[RalphieRandy]

some people act like Game of thrones is "the Sophie Turner show", where's she's the big lead and needs to film 10 months non stop Dont people know that the final season will be smaller than all previous ones?

if Sophie filmed XMA without any problem, with XMDP having a much longer post production she shouldnt have any issue. This is just damage control lol. And some fans just believe its "the normal thing" as Kinberg says. yeah, sure, Mr. Smith t:

Have you forgotten that this is the final season that's supposed to be extremely action packed and that, though the number of episodes is shorter, the length per episode is about twice as long? Let's not forget that often they have to wait for certain times of the year to film in these countries when enough snow has fallen. Also you, just like the rest of us, have no idea what is going on with her character arc thos season. Just because it's not her show doesn't mean she's not going to be doing a lot of important things.At this point, every character left is important. Especially the Stark children. You people want any reason to say the actors are lying.

 

[Justice4#Rouge]

THR with actual sources at Fox was the first one to reavel the cost of the reshoots and what Fox wanted to reshoot: the third act.

I dont understand why some are trying so hard to cover that up. THR is legit, they have sources and Fox and they revealed the reason of the reshoots. The third act had isssues that Fox wanted to fix. What more do we need? and that aside, movie was pushed back 3 months, so the reshoots arent small.This is a bigger issue. Some dont want to accept this? its up to you lol.

Sorry... but what’s you’re way of knowing this?? Is this “common sense” coming into play again? OR maybe perhaps we could just take Kinberg comments on the matter for now as it’s really the only somewhat “official statement”. And please none of this “in Kinberg we trust” nonsense, I’m far from happy to see him direct, but again it’s an offical comment from the DIRECTOR of the film regarding the reshoots. Don’t want to accept it? Fine, your only adding fuel towards your disdain for him.

I could very well be wrong who knows? None of us that’s for sure.

 

[Cktopl33]

Why wasn't that taken into account when the movie was dated? In her contract? GOT just calls and she has to drop everything?

You don't know that for sure either. And as far as we know it isn't just her, this time window they've opened is to be able to group everyone. If its so standard why weren't their schedules contemplated?

Reshoots are typically shot around actors schedules. They don't always lock schedules in advance because those aren't static. Because of that, sometimes reshoots are shot in different locations at the same time depending on circumstance and availability of the actors. That's why studios usually use sound stages because you have limits for specific locations. The number of days could be booked in advance for the amount of time needed for a reshoot, but they still have to find an open window for those days needed. Here's a quote from a location manager:

I've worked in film for 25 years as a Location Manager. Shooting schedules are determined by actors availability first and foremost. Location availability is way down the list of priorities, at least in the feature film world. It doesn't matter how much a director might love a particular location, if the film stars Johnny Depp and he's only available from "this date to that date" and the location isn't- they certainly don't recast the film. This is based on actor availability, which is to say; what actors appear in each location and when they are actually available, so it can be a huge juggling act for an assistant director.

Thor: Ragnarok completed principle photography in Oct 2016. They did over three weeks of reshoots in July 2017- nine months later....just like Dark Phoenix is scheduled to have. And of course so many people forget that Disney/Marvel ALSO pushed back the release date for Thor: Ragnarok from July 2017 to Nov 2017 (a four month period). So this isn't something unique to Dark Phoenix or Fox. People just have Marvel bias.