Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - Part 14

[EnDz0n3]

According to you. Many feel he might be able to left to his own devices.

Not if one looks at his filmography as a writer.

In a way, you’re right that he hasn’t been “left to his own devices” before. So at least there’s that hope that he *could* be better. Most people tend to be more realistic though.

 

[Jh7058622]

Again that's according to you. What you feel is "more realistic" isn't going to be the same as others. I do agree that he's left much to be desired in his previous work. All we can do is hope for the best. Sometimes it seems like people are reveling in this film failing for some reason though.

 

[RalphieRandy]

Again that's according to you. What you feel is "more realistic" isn't going to be the same as others. I do agree that he's left much to be desired in his previous work. All we can do is hope for the best. Sometimes it seems like people are reveling in this film failing for some reason though.

It doesn't seem like it. That's what many have been doing since before apocalypse.

 

[GuestStar2004]

All we can do is hope for the best. Sometimes it seems like people are reveling in this film failing for some reason though.

Yeah it does seem that way at times. then they will have moments where they act hopeful but then when they hear others being hopeful then they tend to get annoyed and start being negative trying to remind them why they shouldn't.

Person 1: We can only hope the film will end up good.
Person 2: Yeah i hope its good.
Person 1: You shouldn't, its probably gonna suck.

 

[Cktopl33]

It would be more troubling if in interviews, the cast and crew would say they’re doubling down on the mistakes of the previous badly-reviewed instalment.

The question really isn’t: Is Kinberg going to make a movie that’s different from that mess?

The question is: Is he able to?

I don't see why not. He clearly didn't like how things unfolded with Apocalypse, but those were decisions of Bryan Singer. Now as director, he can do things the way he had envisioned. If this is a character driven film, that's good news already.

 

[Cktopl33]

I don't think anyone wants a bad movie, just that Kinberg's track record doesn't fill you with confidence. I'd be ecstatic if Dark Phoenix is good, but at the moment it doesn't seem likely.

At least we'll get a Hans Zimmer score out of, regardless of the film's ultimate quality.

Track record should be of little value. We already had a director with a great track record who not only bombed an x-men movie, but did it worse than any of the others films (and this was a person who had directed the most x-men films!!). People bash The Last Stand.....but even that movie did better than Apocalypse.

 

[Elayis]

Yes, Singer was primarily at fault for Apocalypse, but he was working from a screenplay that Kinberg was the sole writer of (I know you're going to quibble about the story credit, but I don't care). Kinberg also has a long history of writing terrible movies.

I'd be much more optimistic about DP if Kinberg was directing from someone else's script. It's also worrying that he chose a blockbuster as his directorial debut; I'm not sure that's ever turned out well.

 

[Jh7058622]

Actually there were initially 4 writers working on Apocalypse.

Bryan doesn't even seem to be listening to or playing attention to Kinberg in this photo.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well Michael Dougherty & Dan Harris only helped write the story. Bryan also helped write the story but was more hands-on with the script then many would like to believe.

 

[Jh7058622]

Yeah it does seem that way at times. then they will have moments where they act hopeful but then when they hear others being hopeful then they tend to get annoyed and start being negative trying to remind them why they shouldn't.

Person 1: We can only hope the film will end up good.
Person 2: Yeah i hope its good.
Person 1: You shouldn't, its probably gonna suck.

Yeah pretty much.

 

[marcvader]

Now that's a big coffee table.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Again that's according to you. What you feel is "more realistic" isn't going to be the same as others. I do agree that he's left much to be desired in his previous work.

I do want to hear why it would be more realistic, to you, for a first time director working off his own script, a profession which past credits have shown that he hasn’t been good at.

I don't see why not. He clearly didn't like how things unfolded with Apocalypse, but those were decisions of Bryan Singer. Now as director, he can do things the way he had envisioned. If this is a character driven film, that's good news already.

What he wants to accomplish and his ability to accomplish that goal are two completely different things.
Keanu Reeves might want an Oscar but there’s fat chance he’ll be able to accomplish that goal.

 

[Drexelhand]

Keanu Reeves might want an Oscar but there’s fat chance he’ll be able to accomplish that goal.

You shut your mouth!

 

[EnDz0n3]

You shut your mouth!

Quit trolling Drexelhead.

 

[Drexelhand]

Quit trolling Drexelhead.

Am I not supposed to have what I want? What I need?

 

[Charzhin0]

Kinberg has been around Xmen for a lot of years, if theres any film hed have success in debuting with it would be Dark Phoenix.

 

[hurrikane2]

yes we have established that X-mApoclypse was not good...but days of future past was X-cellent!!! so no one gives kinberg credit for DOFP success???

Was kinberg apart of X2 in some capacity???I've read articles on the net that he was...does anyone know for sure??

anyway please FOX release something so we can stop with the negative speculation!!!

 

[Frankeh]

Kinberg has taken far too many liberties with Dark Phoenix Saga already.

Where's the Hellfire Club?

Where's the Shi'ar Empire?

Who the hell is Agent Smith?

I think DOFP already seemed much more faithful by this point. With Apocalypse at least they had the excuse that there's no definitive story for him, Age of Apocalypse is too sprawling to put into one movie, so they basically took the idea of Fall of the Mutants (four horsemen vs. X-Men) and tried to make a feature length film out of that, I guess.

 

[hurrikane2]

I can agree with you on that but we do not know for sure none of that is in the final product..just sayin but yes you do have a point (for now)

so people weren't mad that its wolverine going back in time not kitty pryde???where was the outrage?? lol

 

[Frankeh]

so people weren't mad that its wolverine going back in time not kitty pryde???where was the outrage?? lol

Oh there has always been outrage over X-Men movies.

Nothing new.

In fact I remember trepidation over DOFP in general (the sentinel design sucks!! Quicksilver looks like crap!!)

Until Trailer # 2 was released.

I however still would have more faith if Singer was directing this (despite Apocalypse) than Kinberg in his first rodeo.

Actually, scratch that. I just remembered Singer turned out to be an unprofessional tool.

 

[SumT]

Track record should be of little value. We already had a director with a great track record who not only bombed an x-men movie, but did it worse than any of the others films (and this was a person who had directed the most x-men films!!). People bash The Last Stand.....but even that movie did better than Apocalypse.

the worst thing about Apocalypse was the script, not the direction. Lets be clear already.

Kinberg's x-men written movies HAVE many problems. Script problems. The director uses to change/improve stuff.... so that could tell us that the original script/versions could be even worse (we already read the Dofp previous script, the dialogue was..... questionable).

So.... if Kinberg's X3, F4 and Apocalypse have mediocre scripts..... should we expect a masterpiece now of a sudden or what?

lets be a bit more realistic, please. We've been following this franchise for 18 years, we should know better by now. Kinberg as a writer is mediocre. He didnt learn from X3 mistakes. 10 years later. So..... should we believe now that he learned from 2016 to 2018?? just in 2 years?

 

[Drexelhand]

I know we're not getting Illmatic, I'm hoping for It Was Written, people will probably tell me it's Street's Disciple but I'm expecting Nastradamus.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't think anyone wants a bad movie, just that Kinberg's track record doesn't fill you with confidence. I'd be ecstatic if Dark Phoenix is good, but at the moment it doesn't seem likely.

At least we'll get a Hans Zimmer score out of, regardless of the film's ultimate quality.

This is his fifth Marvel that he had a role in script. Three of those turned to be critical failures... This time, he's directed it and scripted it alone which make it sound worse! I Xpected all Snyder's dceu to be critical failures, just like Bay's Transformers films. Kinberg isn't really the type of filmmaker to give a benefit of doubt.

 

[BaronZemo]

yes we have established that X-mApoclypse was not good...but days of future past was X-cellent!!! so no one gives kinberg credit for DOFP success???

Was kinberg apart of X2 in some capacity???I've read articles on the net that he was...does anyone know for sure??

anyway please FOX release something so we can stop with the negative speculation!!!

Why would we give him credit since 3/4 cbms he has written or co-written are considered some of the worst in the genre.

That's like saying Blomkamp should be considered a great director despite only making one good movie. writers/directors are judged by their majority of their work, not isolated cases.

Some of you really like calling people negative despite having way more concrete arguments against Kinberg than you who defend him....

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

Okay this might seemed far fetched but do you guys think it’s possible that Dimon could’ve filmed scenes that are not going to be in the final product of the film just for sneak screenings only? And maybe the Fox executives liked some of what they saw and wanted him to change somethings?