Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - Part 8

[magneto23]

Yeah I hope he gets something a little more substantial to do here in his last outing.

 

[Frankeh]

You've got multiple things going on at once, but Singer does such a good job juggling the different storylines that the audience is never lost. That is good filmmaking imo. It's sad that the comic book movie era that I grew up with is being exchanged for an inferior one.

I really don't want to derail this thread but since when is Singer the only one good at that? Of recent, CW and Ragnarok both had multiple stories going on at once and the audience was certainly not lost. And while jury's still out on it, Infinity War is taking it to a whole other level with a plethora of characters and storylines.

I don't see anything inferior about those previously mentioned movies. They are some of the highest rated CBMs along with DOFP and Logan and rightfully so.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

To be blunt, when it comes to juggling an ensemble cast the Avengers and Guardians movies smoke even the best X-Men movies.

 

[def28]

Inferior comic era? What are people watching?

In the past 10 years we have had

The Dark Knight
Hellboy 2
Iron Man
Kick-Ass
Scott Pilgrim
X-Men First Class
Dredd
The Avengers
GOTG
Snowpiercer
DOFP
Kingsmen
Deadpool
Civil War
Wonder Woman
Logan

Plus plenty more.

If that ain't quality or variety for ya then something else is going on. This has been a golden era for comic films of every type.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

I feel dread about this Dark Phoenix movie.

You know, you could just...stop thinking about it. Dread can't possibly be a pleasant emotion to feel. Why torment yourself so much?

To be blunt, when it comes to juggling an ensemble cast the Avengers and Guardians movies smoke even the best X-Men movies.

Because the X-men movies aren't ensemble movies. Not any more than, say, Star Wars.

 

[psylockolussus]

it was about Jubilee. a previous user asked about her and I replied that she was "dropped" from the sequel, meaning Kinberg didnt even bother including her in an expanded role, when the character already knows Jean, Scott and Kurt, and shared time together and lives on that same mansion. But this is Kinberg who we're talking about.

They jump to the 90s, the iconic and most famous period where Jubilee became popular and when she could have had a bigger role, but Kinberg decided to not use her, when the demand/interest was clearly there. Congratulations Fox, thats the route

He dropped Nightcrawler before in X3, so this is nothing new. We know that this guy isn't very good in mapping out the series. Look how over the place the films are.

X:A is entertaining to watch but it took a big dump over the classic mythos.

Storm, Psylocke, Jubilee, Angel, Mystique and Apocalypse were not well portrayed. For instance, Storm worshipped Mystique and was shown to be perfectly okay with the destruction of Cairo (and all the orphans she hung out with). Mystique became leader of the X-Men and even recalled how they had earlier called themselves by that name, when that is blatantly untrue in the previous films.

It's notable that three ethnic minority characters (Storm, Jubilee and Psylocke) were crapped on.

This mishandling of characters is the reason many of us are so apprehensive about Dark Phoenix.

It's clear that Kinberg and the execs are obsessed only with the characters played by Jennifer Lawrence, Fassbender and McAvoy and couldn't give two hoots about anyone else.

For Dark Phoenix, at least Sophie Turner's Jean will get character development and time to shine. But it's still possible she will be a product of a plot driven by the other three main characters and Chastain's mysterious role. I very much doubt Jean will be driving the story, more likely reacting to it.

Beast wasn't portrayed as well.

 

[carpenter82]

Inferior comic era? What are people watching?

In the past 10 years we have had

The Dark Knight
Hellboy 2
Iron Man
Kick-Ass
Scott Pilgrim
X-Men First Class
Dredd
The Avengers
GOTG
Snowpiercer
DOFP
Kingsmen
Deadpool
Civil War
Wonder Woman
Logan

Plus plenty more.

If that ain't quality or variety for ya then something else is going on. This has been a golden era for comic films of every type.

I like all those films, but Dark Knight, DOFP, Logan, and Snowpiercer are on another level for me.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Because the X-men movies aren't ensemble movies. Not any more than, say, Star Wars.

And yet if you watched any of the DVDs produced from 2000-2005, there are interviews from Singer, Shuler-Donner, Ottman, DeSanto, Lee (Stan), Berry, McKellen, Stewart, Jackman, Paquin, Marsden, Janssen and Romijn-Stamos calling those movies exactly that: Ensemble movies.

Just because the new movies found the need to push certain actors to the forefront does not negate the original intent of the movies to deliver (with varying successes) on not just Xavier, Magneto and Mystique, but also X-men members as the stars of the franchise.

The X-men. You know...the people the movies are named after.

 

[psylockolussus]

You know, you could just...stop thinking about it. Dread can't possibly be a pleasant emotion to feel. Why torment yourself so much?

Because the X-men movies aren't ensemble movies. Not any more than, say, Star Wars.

Well the X-Men should be an ensemble. That's the problem with Fox's vision. They cater to a handful of characters. While the development they gave to Rogue, Iceman, Kitty didn't lead to anything. While Nightcrawler, Storm, Phoenix, Beast and Cyclops are stuck in the past. Bishop, Psylocke, Angel, Jubilee, Banshee, Havok, Polaris and Gambit were demoted to non X-Men roles. And who knows when will see Colossus interact with the actual X-Men again. nXt year, Dazzler would probably be demoted a small role instead of being member of the team.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

And yet if you watched any of the DVDs produced from 2000-2005, there are interviews from Singer, Shuler-Donner, Ottman, DeSanto, Lee (Stan), Berry, McKellen, Stewart, Jackman, Paquin, Marsden, Janssen and Romijn-Stamos calling those movies exactly that: Ensemble movies.

Just because the new movies found the need to push certain actors to the forefront does not negate the original intent of the movies to deliver (with varying successes) on not just Xavier, Magneto and Mystique, but also X-men members as the stars of the franchise.

The X-men. You know...the people the movies are named after.

I'm sure they may have originally intended to make ensemble movies, but the fact remains that they didn't make ensemble movies.

It's like...let's say someone bought some instructions and ingredients to make a pizza, and they're given all the ingredients to make a pizza. But then the person decides to change the instructions and ingrediants until they end up making a kind of taco instead. Then all his friends who wanted a pizza get mad, because they wanted a pizza. But then some other people show up, who really love tacos, and they're like "Mmm, this is a tasty taco that I can't get anywhere else".

Is the taco any less tasty because its not a pizza? Of course not. But the pizza lovers are all like "no tacos for you, only pizza!" even though there's a guy in the downstairs kitchen who'll be making a huge batch of pizzas all night while the taco maker is about to go to bed.

 

[I Am The Knight]

 

[psylockolussus]

It's like...let's say someone bought some instructions and ingredients to make a pizza, and they're given all the ingredients to make a pizza. But then the person decides to change the instructions and ingrediants until they end up making a kind of taco instead. Then all his friends who wanted a pizza get mad, because they wanted a pizza. But then some other people show up, who really love tacos, and they're like "Mmm, this is a tasty taco that I can't get anywhere else".

Is the taco any less tasty because its not a pizza? Of course not. But the pizza lovers are all like "no tacos for you, only pizza!" even though there's a guy in the downstairs kitchen who'll be making a huge batch of pizzas all night while the taco maker is about to go to bed.

I prefer pizza. Are tacos any less tasty than pizza? Depends on the ingredients.

 

[carpenter82]

I'm sure they may have originally intended to make ensemble movies, but the fact remains that they didn't make ensemble movies.

It's like...let's say someone bought some instructions and ingredients to make a pizza, and they're given all the ingredients to make a pizza. But then the person decides to change the instructions and ingrediants until they end up making a kind of taco instead. Then all his friends who wanted a pizza get mad, because they wanted a pizza. But then some other people show up, who really love tacos, and they're like "Mmm, this is a tasty taco that I can't get anywhere else".

Is the taco any less tasty because its not a pizza? Of course not. But the pizza lovers are all like "no tacos for you, only pizza!" even though there's a guy in the downstairs kitchen who'll be making a huge batch of pizzas all night while the taco maker is about to go to bed.

Ah yes, the old taco/pizza analogy.

 

[psylockolussus]

And yet if you watched any of the DVDs produced from 2000-2005, there are interviews from Singer, Shuler-Donner, Ottman, DeSanto, Lee (Stan), Berry, McKellen, Stewart, Jackman, Paquin, Marsden, Janssen and Romijn-Stamos calling those movies exactly that: Ensemble movies.

Just because the new movies found the need to push certain actors to the forefront does not negate the original intent of the movies to deliver (with varying successes) on not just Xavier, Magneto and Mystique, but also X-men members as the stars of the franchise.

The X-men. You know...the people the movies are named after.

I would love to see a MCU X-Men film that feels like an ensemble film.

 

[EnDz0n3]

ah yes, the old taco/pizza analogy.

LoL

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Dont care about any negativity, Im looking forward to Dark Phoneix more than any other comic film next year, including Infinity War. Just really want to see a trailer.

Same here

 

[carpenter82]

I really don't want to derail this thread but since when is Singer the only one good at that? Of recent, CW and Ragnarok both had multiple stories going on at once and the audience was certainly not lost. And while jury's still out on it, Infinity War is taking it to a whole other level with a plethora of characters and storylines.

I don't see anything inferior about those previously mentioned movies. They are some of the highest rated CBMs along with DOFP and Logan and rightfully so.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm not saying that Singer is the only one who's capable of juggling multiple storylines at once, but I am saying that the storytelling/filmmaking in the Paris Peace Accords sequence is amazing.

Just think of all the different elements of that sequence:
1. There's Magneto trying to kill Mystique, and getting attacked by Beast.
2. 1970's Wolverine returns to his body, and Charles is trying to calm him down.
3. Kitty Pride gets injured by Wolverine, and struggles to keep him in the past.

Everything in that sequence comes together so well, and I feel like that level of filmmaking is absent in a good chunk of the comic book films that come out nowadays.

 

[psylockolussus]

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3. Deadpool 2
9. Legixn 2
10. Dark Phoenix

Not mentioned: The New Mutants

Feel the hype!

 

[Ordet]

I think it's not fair delete someone else's posts with not giving a reason at all...
It's not the first time that this happened in this forum.

 

[psylockolussus]

Inferior comic era? What are people watching?

In the past 10 years we have had

The Dark Knight
Hellboy 2
Iron Man
Kick-Ass
Scott Pilgrim
X-Men First Class
Dredd
The Avengers
GOTG
Snowpiercer
DOFP
Kingsmen
Deadpool
Civil War
Wonder Woman
Logan

Plus plenty more.

If that ain't quality or variety for ya then something else is going on. This has been a golden era for comic films of every type.

You forgot
Wanted
Thor Ragnarok
Winter Soldier

 

[I Am The Knight]

[Yt]sRC1VXHoh4g[/MEDIA]

3. Deadpool 2
9. Legixn 2
10. Dark Phoenix

Not mentioned: The New Mutants

Feel the hype!

 

[psylockolussus]

I am surprised it even reached the top ten. It wasn't even a honorable mention for their 2018 films (all genres) ranking.

 

[Tymminator]

My biggest issue this movie was that they were jumping right into Dark Phoenix. When I was a teenager and reading this storyline as it came out, the reason it had a hard impact was you were following Jean for awhile now...in issue 101 she became Phoenix, then for a few years (in real time, in Comic time I know it was shorter) you saw her do awesome things, grow in power and then when the Hellfire Club business happens and that kickstarted the whole Dark Phoenix character and storyline you were fully invested. I feel jumping into it now without that buildup can cause you to lose something special.

Like with Days of Future Past, sure as with all Movie adaptions liberties were taken but still it was a very good film that I would argue that at the heart of it the core of the story was still intact although many changes were made from the original source material. Despite’s it’s changes, I could recognize what this story was. What it also had going for it was people were invested and it had the natural build up of several previous movies that work on several levels. I’m going to watch Dark Phoenix but I don’t expect it to have type of investment or build up. Who knows, maybe I’ll be surprised.

 

[Jh7058622]

Dont care about any negativity, Im looking forward to Dark Phoneix more than any other comic film next year, including Infinity War. Just really want to see a trailer.

Me too. If it has good trailers and good reviews most people here will still be negative but I really hope it does well.

 

[Jh7058622]

I think it's not fair delete someone else's posts with not giving a reason at all...
It's not the first time that this happened in this forum.

Most of the Mods seem very pro Disney takeover and anyone saying anything to the contrary or differing opinions seem to get banned/comments deleted.