Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - Part 8

[GuestStar2004]

Yeah, deal's already been finalized and approved during the Christmas break, so full speed ahead for the reboot.

It's like people here knows how merger approval works and the short amount of time it really takes.

12 - 18 months.

 

[NotNickFury]

And even then, factor in the now antitrust investigations, which obviously aren't going on right now during the holiday.

 

[psylockolussus]

Yeah, deal's already been finalized and approved during the Christmas break, so full speed ahead for the reboot.

It's like people here knows how merger approval works and the short amount of time it really takes.

Here comes the facts police. As if anyone have missed reading the article that it wouldn't take 12 to 18 months but days before the new years eve.

I do not believe much in the opinion of an actor in his work
but I think there is some truth in these statements, since everyone is saying the same thing, especially in the organization during the recording of the film
It is very clear that bryan singer is not very wanted by the actors
another thing that caught my attention in these interviews was simon's saying that he would die if another director did this work, it seems that a lot of what he thought about the movies was modified by directors

Probably because of the accusations. But I could care less if the director gets along with the cast or not as long as the film turns out to be good.

As for Kinberg, sure. He probably thinks he's a great writer and that he deserves the X-Men. Good God!

 

[GuestStar2004]

 

[NotNickFury]

Here comes the facts police. As if anyone have missed reading the article that it wouldn't take 12 to 18 months but days before the new years eve.

Could've fooled me.

Wait, I remember who this is again.

 

[psylockolussus]

Some of you need to just accept other people's opinions and move on.

Agreed.

 

[X-Maniac]

Turner probably believes everything she says so its unfair for some people to kinda act like she is a naive fool.

Its one of those things where you kinda get the sense that certain people here don't wanna hear this stuff, they don't want the cast saying nice things about the movie they just made because its directed by Simon Kinberg and that can not be good at all costs as it would go against all hate and spite people spent months raging about.

Admittely its not hurting anyone but themselves but thats fandom for ya, there wouldn't be so many spiteful fandoms pointlessly against each other if pride wasn't this huge deal.

The problem is that these cast members and crew are trotting out the same glib, meaningless, silly statements, no doubt drilled into them by the PR machine.

Why can't we have something more sincere and distinctive?

Everyone knows the cast and creatives will be praising each other and that cast members will be claiming Dark Phoenix is their favourite comic book story (yeah right).

 

[X-Maniac]

Yeah, deal's already been finalized and approved during the Christmas break, so full speed ahead for the reboot.

It's like people here knows how merger approval works and the short amount of time it really takes.

For some of us, the idea of a reboot at Disney is far more exciting than what might happen with the X-Men in this next film.

By now we know which actors/characters are the main focus in Fox films and which ones are usually shoved in the background with virtually no dialogue.

The thought of that being served up again is enough to make any true X-Men fan feel anxious.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Why can't we have something more sincere and distinctive

Well what could she say that you would find sincere and distinctive?

 

[BeholdMe]

Yeah, deal's already been finalized and approved during the Christmas break, so full speed ahead for the reboot.

It's like people here knows how merger approval works and the short amount of time it really takes.

Wait this isnt sarcasm or anything is it? I know there is a ton of negativity on this board, some like me are holding out hope until the movie comes out on whether it will be good or not rather than jumping to the conclusion it will be a train wreck. I missed this interview were the deal has been finalized already.

 

[Frankeh]

The dark/gritty drama CBM has already been done, so yeah Turner definitely seems to be getting ahead of herself. Thanks for proving their point!

 

[Marvel united]

I'm tired of dark, gloomy, grounded X-Men movies

 

[Marvel united]

Another year in which X-Men big fans complain about another X-Men film. Can't wait!



Hopefully yes!


Maybe March or April of 2018.



I am just fed up with Fox's version of the X-Men. And it looks like the New Mutants the film isn't even staying true to the premise of the New Mutants in the comics.

Get the Disney ****** deal done, Doj! Before Kinberg directs X-Men First Class Five!

This!! Hopefully this is the last Marvel film Kinberg will ever get near.

 

[Davidstorm]

I do not know why you waste time debating yet
there are people who have already decided that they will hate independent DP if it is good, because they know they are going to the MCU
so it's no use debating this topic, this and my opinion.

twist soon that leaves a trailer and the subject returns to be the FILM Dark phoenix
because x-men team movie on MCU will still probably take at least 3 years or more ...

 

[EnDz0n3]

Well sophie has worked with a fair amount of directors, yes they ain't Steven Spielberg level but i am assuming she is speaking highly of Kinberg as a director in more of a professional sort of way, even if the final product will be reviewed in a few months time.

Like Lawrence and Munn have both said things feel more organised on set and whatever, everyone steps up just a little bit more ect ect.

Nothing is to say Simon is gonna be an amazing director but doesn't mean anyone should be acting offended every time someone says something positive about him as a director

It's like you say Turner's probably saying Kinberg is the best director based on how the set was handled vs. when Singer was at the helm. But she also has to consider these words will be held against her if the movie bombs. Word of advice but maybe don't use superlatives like he's the best director you've ever worked with? It might bite you in the arse.

The other example of an actor using superlatives is Chastain saying "Kinberg is a good friend" and "Kinberg is a great writer" in the same breath. I see what you did there Jessica...

For one thing maybe don't say something that's so easily identifiable to be false (ie. reviews of his films) and for another: Who here can actually say with a straight face that Kinberg is a great writer? We're all X-men fans here, and we might have found the need to defend things from this franchise that maybe wasn't true but even fans of these films know Kinberg's writing is not its highlight.

But then again, we really shouldn't be surprised when it's the same actress that showered praise on The Huntsman writers...

 

[Loki882]

If this were one of the Marvel actors saying the exact same thing, these same people would be praising her through the roof. But because it's Fox, she's being "insincere."

Some people here really are letting their own biases show, to a ridiculous degree.

 

[EnDz0n3]

It's amazing how fans hate someone who's not a good writer, amirite???

 

[Davidstorm]

If this were one of the Marvel actors saying the exact same thing, these same people would be praising her through the roof. But because it's Fox, she's being "insincere."

Some people here really are letting their own biases show, to a ridiculous degree.

it is the simple pleasure of criticism what is even possible
usually say that they are like this, because of the shipp interview about apocalypse, but nobody knows how the editing process was, she may have done everything she said, and in editing the bryan decided to cut a lot of thing

 

[GuestStar2004]

If this were one of the Marvel actors saying the exact same thing, these same people would be praising her through the roof. But because it's Fox, she's being "insincere."

Some people here really are letting their own biases show, to a ridiculous degree.

Certainly seems that way at times yeah.

 

[Davidstorm]

sincerely do not see so many mistakes in simon to have so much hatred for him to be director of DP
I think some fans put it to him, mistakes that are actually from the director
apocalypse for example for me does not have a different script from the heroes movies that are succeeding
the difference and that these films had directors with more vision and creativity

 

[ironman29758]

it is the simple pleasure of criticism what is even possible
usually say that they are like this, because of the shipp interview about apocalypse, but nobody knows how the editing process was, she may have done everything she said, and in editing the bryan decided to cut a lot of thing

That's one thing I find often about some fans, they seem to hold

What happens during the process of filming vs what it is scene during the final product vs what it is in the initial script are all completely different things.

It seems as if fans expect to know what they should know what the final version should be or even if they know how much is going to be left in the final version of the film. From what I have seen of the deleted scenes and Alexandra''s interviews, I could understand why she said the things she said and felt the way she did. But the final product took those scenes out, leaving her as a half mute henchman with a fanaticism for Mystique.

Certainly seems that way yeah.

As someone who reads what happens in this forum, among seven other X-Men boards, this type of disconnect fans who like the movies vs those who don't vs those who want a MCU movie.

I have seen fans who hate the Fox X-Men film imply that you must not understand or appreciate the comics if you like the films in any way. I have seen Fox fans attack fans for wanting a change of pace or wanting a film where there character's come across like their comic counterparts (than itself is completely reasonable) as they understand it.

But the bias for the films can come across as near hysterical imo. I've never met people who hate an movie or decide can't be good because of petty reasons. Like one poster said "Some of you need to just accept other people's opinions and move on."

What Sophie or Alexandra says is no different from what Chris Evans or Emily Olsen will say during film over the promotional portion of it. Or even what Simon Kinberg says vs what Kevin Fiege says. All that is different is how fans choose to interpret it.

Is it going to be good? I don't know. Is there a lot to mistrust this film about, especially films that Kinberg wrote? Sure. But he has hands in good films as well, and it does seem like he wants to do his best to not only rectify the mistakes he made but do the best film he can. It is impressive how much a fan can hold against one person just for their take on the film.

 

[psylockolussus]

For some of us, the idea of a reboot at Disney is far more exciting than what might happen with the X-Men in this next film.

By now we know which actors/characters are the main focus in Fox films and which ones are usually shoved in the background with virtually no dialogue.

The thought of that being served up again is enough to make any true X-Men fan feel anxious.

I feel dread about this Dark Phoenix movie. I cannot wait when Disney finally makes their version of the X-Men.

Wait this isnt sarcasm or anything is it? I know there is a ton of negativity on this board, some like me are holding out hope until the movie comes out on whether it will be good or not rather than jumping to the conclusion it will be a train wreck. I missed this interview were the deal has been finalized already.

It was a witty comment to my post like as if I didn't know it would make months or more than a year for the deal to be finalised.

 

[psylockolussus]

If this were one of the Marvel actors saying the exact same thing, these same people would be praising her through the roof. But because it's Fox, she's being "insincere."

Some people here really are letting their own biases show, to a ridiculous degree.

I don't even comment when MCU actors are staying stuff. Why don't you go to the MCU threads and say that? Let's see what reaction you would get.

sincerely do not see so many mistakes in simon to have so much hatred for him to be director of DP
I think some fans put it to him, mistakes that are actually from the director
apocalypse for example for me does not have a different script from the heroes movies that are succeeding
the difference and that these films had directors with more vision and creativity

He has a bad track record. He already screwed up the X-Men and the Fantastic Four before. So forgive us, for being negative and wanting a different creative team/studio handling the X-Men. Sorry not sorry.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Is it going to be good? I don't know. Is there a lot to mistrust this film about, especially films that Kinberg wrote? Sure. But he has hands in good films as well

Films that he produced but didn't write on his own (nor direct). It's amazing that the ones he wrote on his own, and the ones he ghost directed, are the only ones from his filmography that have had bad reviews, maybe there's something to his writing/directing that doesn't pass the smell test?

and it does seem like he wants to do his best to not only rectify the mistakes he made but do the best film he can.

Let's see you guys propose to Batman fans that Joel Schumacher write and direct the next Batman film and tell them he'll "do his best to not only rectify the mistakes he made but do the best film he can." Let's see how that one goes over.

If this were one of the Marvel actors saying the exact same thing, these same people would be praising her through the roof. But because it's Fox, she's being "insincere."

Your whataboutism (ie. "What about the MCU...") doesn't really rectify the root of the matter: Kinberg's writing.

How about we talk about X-men Dark Phoenix in the X-men Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread. And don't "whatabout" the MCU.

Some people here really are letting their own biases show, to a ridiculous degree.

If it's a bias against bad writing then hell yes I'll let my bias show.

 

[Frankeh]

Problem is how many times is he going to rectify mistakes?

He said they learned from The Last Stand and would deliver a good third movie with Apocalypse. They didn't. Now he's saying they learned from Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix will be good.

He said they learned from Fant4stic, and wanted a second chance with that same cast. As if. After three bad movies they should've thrown the towel with FF.

I'm still not very convinced this will be good so far... if he was staying faithful to the plot beats of the comic story like DOFP, maybe, but he's clearly doing his own thing with the villain, potentially having Jean kill one of her teammates, and involving Magneto and Genosha in the plot. And if we are to believe what the moderator said, this was initially a space opera, and has been turned into a movie grounded on Earth because of the budget (remember Kinberg was hired because he accepted a pay cut, they weren't spending much on this), which makes me lose even more confidence.

We'll see.