Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - Part 8

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It's like you say Turner's probably saying Kinberg is the best director based on how the set was handled vs. when Singer was at the helm. But she also has to consider these words will be held against her if the movie bombs. Word of advice but maybe don't use superlatives like he's the best director you've ever worked with? It might bite you in the arse.

The other example of an actor using superlatives is Chastain saying "Kinberg is a good friend" and "Kinberg is a great writer" in the same breath. I see what you did there Jessica...

For one thing maybe don't say something that's so easily identifiable to be false (ie. reviews of his films) and for another: Who here can actually say with a straight face that Kinberg is a great writer? We're all X-men fans here, and we might have found the need to defend things from this franchise that maybe wasn't true but even fans of these films know Kinberg's writing is not its highlight.

But then again, we really shouldn't be surprised when it's the same actress that showered praise on The Huntsman writers...
There’s a level of ridiculousness in some of these posts towards Sophie, Jessica for what they’ve said in interviews and magazines. What do you want them to say? This movie is ****, Simon is ****? This is a business. Yeah the actors are going to sit there and trash the movie they just filmed and got paid for. Hello PR is apart of there job. I don’t understand the point in hating on anything they say. If your job was to go out and sell something would you tell people walking past you this product is crap don’t buy it? No you’ll do your job so you get paid. Come on now hate Kinberg all you want but going after the actors just doing their jobs is not nice to me.
 
Honestly we all care about the characters, and came into this franchise through different interpretations. But at this point it's feels like even if Dark Phoenix and the MCU X-Men universe comes and goes. Most of the people here will never say eye to eye. At this point, I'm just waiting with anticipation on what new grounds each X-Men film breaks and just hope the next one is better than the last.
 
I'd rather have comedy mill X-Men if it means Storm, Psylocke, Bishop, Iceman, Cyclops, Phoenix, Polaris, Jubilee, Gambit, Iceman, Rogue, Colossus, Shadowcat are developed well under ten years. Some of those are completely wasted and haven't appeared after 1 movie like Bishop, Gambit and Banshee. Some have been retconned and still wasted like Jubilee, Psylocke, Angel and Emma Frost. Some like Phoenix might only be developed as well as the Wolverine after 18 years. Storm, Cyclops, Beast and Nightcrawler would probably continue as "just" a supporting character neXt year. Iceman, Rogue and Shadowcat are in freaking limbo. While Colossus only shows up in Deadpool films as a full time X-Man with freaking Negasonic Teenage Warhead who isn't even a X-Woman in the comics.

Fox had their chance. It's time for the new owners to do on their own take. No need to continue this Foxverse nonsense.
 
I'm tired of dark, gloomy, grounded X-Men movies

I can handle dark and gloomy if Storm, Psylocke aren't wasted in villain roles and Jubilee as an Xtra. The thing is this franchise only caters to five characters - Logan, Xavier, Erik, Raven and Wade. The rest had a good role in 1 to 2 films but still not enough.
 
Kinberg dropped her from the script basically, at most expect a cameo...... again.
Lets celebrate this treatment, right?

So she had a beefier role and they cut it? Makes complete sense if this is the last film in this series tbh. I'm fine with a cameo, but I'll be upset if she is completely MIA.
 
So she had a beefier role and they cut it? Makes complete sense if this is the last film in this series tbh. I'm fine with a cameo, but I'll be upset if she is completely MIA.
Agreed. We need to at least see her again in the mansion.
 
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Kinberg dropped her from the script basically, at most expect a cameo...... again.
Lets celebrate this treatment, right?
Wait how do u know this? Are u just guessing?
 
Turner probably believes everything she says so its unfair for some people to kinda act like she is a naive fool.

Its one of those things where you kinda get the sense that certain people here don't wanna hear this stuff, they don't want the cast saying nice things about the movie they just made because its directed by Simon Kinberg and that can not be good at all costs as it would go against all hate and spite people spent months raging about.

Admittely its not hurting anyone but themselves but thats fandom for ya, there wouldn't be so many spiteful fandoms pointlessly against each other if pride wasn't this huge deal.

Yes, there is something particularly nasty about all these insinuations of her being a silly fool, because she is a young woman who is passionate about this movie.
 
As an actor...beyond publicity stuff, this is just the way that a lot of actors express themselves. Everything is the best, most exciting, most rewarding transformational thing ever. It's just sort of ingrained in an actor, to find something positive about what you're putting so much effort and emotion into. Part of that is "promotional", you want people to be excited about the projects you're in, and this is even taught in acting schools, but many actors also tend to have positive attitudes, and this is the rhetoric they often use. Because of that, I don't see the point in questioning the legitimacy of everything someone says just because they're supposed to portray their product in a positive light.

Of course, while a lot of them may be great actors and actresses, in my experience, many of them don't neccessarily know good writing from bad, a whole lot about story structure, etc. Which is part of the reason why you see great actors choosing lousy projects, even when there's no major financial boon.
 
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Most of us - even those who are very worried about what this movie will do to the X-Men - are waiting for news and information.

There's been very little so far to allay any fears, partly because we have such a long period of post-prod before release and not much has surfaced yet.

That long period of almost a year before release is only because this film was first envisaged as a two-part space opera with loads of VFX but it was then hacked down into a grounded story set on Earth because of budgetary limits.

Shame they can't release the film earlier and get it out of the way, as it's a very long time to wait. I'd rather it be over and done with.

And you cannot control this thread so it is only full of sweetness and light. That's not how discussion forums work.

I know the Fox-defenders can't handle it as they're the ones getting banned at the moment. But they could try harder to be civil.


The problem is people don't know how to stick to the subject. This specific thread is dedicated to the dark phoenix movie being made by fox. All the talk about what marvel can do better and how marvel are getting rights back has absolutely nothing to do with this particular movie. There are plenty of other threads for that. Starting fox vs marvel wars on every page doesn't help as marvel has nothing to do with this movie.


And people are really acting like extreme a**holes essentially calling this girl a liar all because she has positive things to say about her experience as if every actor has to lie and it's impossible for her to genuinely feel that way. Some of you are taking your movie, director, and studio hatred to an all time high.
 
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was another user banned today? because suddenly I dont see my original post/reply now, while I see replies to my comment. Weird
 
Yes, there is something particularly nasty about all these insinuations of her being a silly fool, because she is a young woman who is passionate about this movie.

I agree, and if the film is as good as X2/DoFP or as bad as Apocalypse or even Fan4stic it doesn’t even matter... she’s an actress doing her job and regardless of how it turns out I always find it cool when people are into something they worked on. She (or anyone really) should never be ridiculed for specifically speaking on a project with pride for their work.

EDIT: this is not the same as when people jumped on Trank, I consider his deal a different case, JMO.
 
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Wait how do u know this? Are u just guessing?

I am confused as well, who was dropped from the script?

I am having X3 flashbacks when they dropped Nightcrawler because the writers (one of them is Kinberg) didn't have much role for him.and Fox didn't want to bother putting Alan in make up because of that.
 
it was about Jubilee. a previous user asked about her and I replied that she was "dropped" from the sequel, meaning Kinberg didnt even bother including her in an expanded role, when the character already knows Jean, Scott and Kurt, and shared time together and lives on that same mansion. But this is Kinberg who we're talking about.

They jump to the 90s, the iconic and most famous period where Jubilee became popular and when she could have had a bigger role, but Kinberg decided to not use her, when the demand/interest was clearly there. Congratulations Fox, thats the route
 
Lana was filming another movie in Vancouver.

What if she had to drop out due to schedule conflict?
 
Dont care about any negativity, Im looking forward to Dark Phoneix more than any other comic film next year, including Infinity War. Just really want to see a trailer.
 
Lana was filming another movie in Vancouver.

What if she had to drop out due to schedule conflict?

she had a contract with Fox since 2015, the one she signed on first place for XMA with sequels option. So lets not fool ourself, Kinberg just didnt need her because Lawrence said yes, so he already had 3 females to work with on the mansion.
 
Dont care about any negativity, Im looking forward to Dark Phoneix more than any other comic film next year, including Infinity War. Just really want to see a trailer.

I'm with you dude. DOFP really got me back on board with this series, there's so many elements to it that are lacking in other comic book films. Apocalypse was a dissapointment coming off its predecessor, but I still enjoyed it. I think the main goal of Apocalypse is to wrap up the stories of the First Class trio, while also introducing the new class of X-Men. For my money it did that well, I don't understand the hatred that people have for that film. For me it's no where near Last Stand, or X-Men Origins: Wolverine.
 
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I'm with you dude. DOFP really got me back on board with this series, there's so many elements to it that are lacking in other comic book films. Apocalypse was a dissapointment coming off its predecessor, but I still enjoyed it. I think the main goal of Apocalypse is to wrap up the stories of the First Class trio, while also introducing the new class of X-Men. For my money it did that well, I don't understand the hatred that people have for that film. For me it's now where near Last Stand, or X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

Indeed, I liked Apocalypse overall too although was disappointed since it came after DOFP.

I feel Dark Phoenix is going to not only going to mark the end of the Xmen under Fox era, but the era of novel and unique comic book movies themselves. No longer will we get the differing styles of Nolans Batman trilogy, Raimis Spiderman series and of course the Xmen of Fox; all these type of movies gave a different twist to the comic book genre alongside MCU films.

But now that Disney will own it all, and with DCEU basically trying to copycat the MCU in the style of their films, we will only be getting 1 universal taste of comic book movies- for good or bad and that to me is slightly depressing.
 
As an actor...beyond publicity stuff, this is just the way that a lot of actors express themselves. Everything is the best, most exciting, most rewarding transformational thing ever. It's just sort of ingrained in an actor, to find something positive about what you're putting so much effort and emotion into. Part of that is "promotional", you want people to be excited about the projects you're in, and this is even taught in acting schools, but many actors also tend to have positive attitudes, and this is the rhetoric they often use. Because of that, I don't see the point in questioning the legitimacy of everything someone says just because they're supposed to portray their product in a positive light.

Of course, while a lot of them may be great actors and actresses, in my experience, many of them don't neccessarily know good writing from bad, a whole lot about story structure, etc. Which is part of the reason why you see great actors choosing lousy projects, even when there's no major financial boon.

At the end of the day it's people's prerogative to believe when actors who are paid millions by a studio say things like Kinberg is "the brain behind the X-men" (aside: shouldn't it be "brains" and not "brain?") and "he's a friend and a great writer."

Most of us have been through this dance before.
 
I'm with you dude. DOFP really got me back on board with this series, there's so many elements to it that are lacking in other comic book films. Apocalypse was a dissapointment coming off its predecessor, but I still enjoyed it. I think the main goal of Apocalypse is to wrap up the stories of the First Class trio, while also introducing the new class of X-Men. For my money it did that well, I don't understand the hatred that people have for that film. For me it's no where near Last Stand, or X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

X:A is entertaining to watch but it took a big dump over the classic mythos.

Storm, Psylocke, Jubilee, Angel, Mystique and Apocalypse were not well portrayed. For instance, Storm worshipped Mystique and was shown to be perfectly okay with the destruction of Cairo (and all the orphans she hung out with). Mystique became leader of the X-Men and even recalled how they had earlier called themselves by that name, when that is blatantly untrue in the previous films.

It's notable that three ethnic minority characters (Storm, Jubilee and Psylocke) were crapped on.

This mishandling of characters is the reason many of us are so apprehensive about Dark Phoenix.

It's clear that Kinberg and the execs are obsessed only with the characters played by Jennifer Lawrence, Fassbender and McAvoy and couldn't give two hoots about anyone else.

For Dark Phoenix, at least Sophie Turner's Jean will get character development and time to shine. But it's still possible she will be a product of a plot driven by the other three main characters and Chastain's mysterious role. I very much doubt Jean will be driving the story, more likely reacting to it.
 
Indeed, I liked Apocalypse overall too although was disappointed since it came after DOFP.

I feel Dark Phoenix is going to not only going to mark the end of the Xmen under Fox era, but the era of novel and unique comic book movies themselves. No longer will we get the differing styles of Nolans Batman trilogy, Raimis Spiderman series and of course the Xmen of Fox; all these type of movies gave a different twist to the comic book genre alongside MCU films.

But now that Disney will own it all, and with DCEU basically trying to copycat the MCU in the style of their films, we will only be getting 1 universal taste of comic book movies- for good or bad and that to me is slightly depressing.

Dude, I said the exact same thing a few pages back. I completely agree with you. It's weird because I remember seeing The Dark Knight and thinking that it was going to change the comic book genre, but it really didn't. The MCU has had a bigger effect on comic book films than The Dark Knight ever did. However, Days of Future Past, and Logan are really the only comic book superhero films to truly follow in the footsteps of Dark Knight, and Spider-Man 2.

The whole sequence in DOFP at the Paris Peace Accords encapsulates why the recent X-Men films are on another level from every other comic book franchise. You've got multiple things going on at once, but Singer does such a good job juggling the different storylines that the audience is never lost. That is good filmmaking imo. It's sad that the comic book movie era that I grew up with is being exchanged for an inferior one.
 
"First Class trio."

Poor Beast/Hoult...
 
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