The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 7

[The Joker]

Some DCEU fans are really salty about this.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The first I watched BVS, while disliking the characterisation, I though the acting from Affleck was good. The second time I watched it, I thought he was just ok (not deserving of a Razzie though). Bales Batman is a much more engaging character IMO.

I noticed it on the first watch. Everything cool about Ben's Batman came from the costume designer, production designer, sound designer and Snyder's visuals. You could put any bulky, six-three white guy in that role and it wouldn't have made a difference. Affleck really wasn't anything more than serviceable.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

The new round of villain March Movie Madness is up! It features Ledger's Joker and several other cbm villains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMJBTpnuwNE

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[Spider-Aziz]

I'm ready to start my liveaction movie Batathon, and I see this.
I'm not sure whether I should include the classic 66 series movie or not, but I know for sure that I won't include Zack Snyder's epic, it's too deep for me.

 

[Ivan Drago]

I know opinions can change over time, but I've been reading old TDKR threads from 2012, and some of the most passionate TDKR defenders I've seen on here used to bash the movie themselves. Users like Tacit Ronin, The Joker, Boom, and a few others.

What changed for you guys? I'm just curious.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I still have a lot of the same issues with the movie I had since it came out. But repeat viewings have shone a light on some its strengths to the point where I now have a better opinion of it.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Assassin's Creed is oddly watchable, not something I'd wish more of, but it's watchable.

 

[shauner111]

Well that was random Aziz. Haha.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I know opinions can change over time, but I've been reading old TDKR threads from 2012, and some of the most passionate TDKR defenders I've seen on here used to bash the movie themselves. Users like Tacit Ronin, The Joker, Boom, and a few others.

What changed for you guys? I'm just curious.

The DCEU happened

at least thats what I think caused the new found appreciation. Even I'm starting to come around on it and ask anyone here, I used to rag on it all the time.

 

[The Joker]

Nothing changed. It's still flawed. Still the weakest of the trilogy. But it's also a great movie, warts and all. Just doesn't hold a candle to it's two predecessors.

 

[Awest66]

Nothing changed. It's still flawed. Still the weakest of the trilogy. But it's also a great movie, warts and all. Just doesn't hold a candle to it's two predecessors.

If only the extremely loud minority were as polite as you, Joker.

 

[Brother Jack]

Zimmer on scoring BvS and TDKT:

You can hear that disconnect in the score, I think. It was just a loud, overbearing wall of barely indistinguishable sound. Like all of Zimmer's worst habits ratcheted up to 11.

 

[DACrowe]

I still have a lot of the same issues with the movie I had since it came out. But repeat viewings have shone a light on some its strengths to the point where I now have a better opinion of it.

The DCEU happened

at least thats what I think caused the new found appreciation. Even I'm starting to come around on it and ask anyone here, I used to rag on it all the time.

Nothing changed. It's still flawed. Still the weakest of the trilogy. But it's also a great movie, warts and all. Just doesn't hold a candle to it's two predecessors.

Yeah, yeah, warts. Welcome to the promised land, fellas.

Kidding aside, I will say not just with you all, but as a whole I think the DCEU is causing others to reevaluate Rises. The other thing I have noticed is that while there are still many detractors for the film (at least among comic fans and purists), it is still a movie that is often used as a barometer stick now. Not in the same way as The Dark Knight. It's now also the "Well, of course The Dark Knight is better... but let's compare Movie Y to The Dark Knight Rises."

It leaves an impression due to seriously high quality craftsmanship and artistry brought to it on all levels, and since it is memorable, it is still brought up a lot in conversation, which inevitably can elevate its status over time.

On a similar note, and on the far end of the quality spectrum from Rises, I notice a lot of fans are now much more bemused and affectionate toward Batman & Robin, including myself. It is still a terrible movie by all measures... but it is also a fairly memorably "I can't believe someone wrote and paid for this ****" kind of entertaining. That goes a certain distance, too. And now that we have seen a movie just as awful but far more "grim-dark" in BvS, and B&R is no longer the movie that ruined the character... a lot of us have an, "Eh, what the hell?" attitude about it now.

With that said... I still can't watch B&R in one sitting. That is a movie that is very entertaining for about 20 or 30 minutes and then tedium sets in.

 

[shauner111]

Well said.

 

[Greens]

You can hear that disconnect in the score, I think. It was just a loud, overbearing wall of barely indistinguishable sound. Like all of Zimmer's worst habits ratcheted up to 11.

Remember, Zimmer worked with James Newton Howard on BB and TDK. I think those two guys balanced each other out pretty well.

 

[StarLord]

Assassin's Creed is oddly watchable, not something I'd wish more of, but it's watchable.

I suspect it is. I've yet to watch it.

A huge thing these days is that people expect the ''best thing ever'' or it to be downright awful. Look at the Power Rangers thread for example.

There's no middle ground anymore.

 

[Ryan]

Nothing changed. It's still flawed. Still the weakest of the trilogy. But it's also a great movie, warts and all. Just doesn't hold a candle to it's two predecessors.

Can't say it any better than that.

 

[The Batman]

And now that we have seen a movie just as awful but far more "grim-dark" in BvS, and B&R is no longer the movie that ruined the character... a lot of us have an, "Eh, what the hell?" attitude about it now.

I've had that attitude since Batman Begins came out.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

We are less than one week away from the 1 year anniversary of BvS

What are we all doing to 'celebrate'

 

[DACrowe]

We are less than one week away from the 1 year anniversary of BvS

What are we all doing to 'celebrate'

Not waste 2.5 to 3 hours of our lives watching that godawful train wreck for a second or third time. With that said, raise a glass to the memory of Batman films. From back when they were respected.

I've had that attitude since Batman Begins came out.

Early adopter, I take it.

I couldn't get over how much it ruined the character until some time after Rises. Having a complete separate vision from Nolan that worked, and realizing we were going to get Snyder'd very quickly made me appreciate it better for its legendary awfulness. Sure enough, when BvS turned out to be every bit as bad even though it was "grim and dark, yo," it made me realize I shouldn't take this character that seriously. So let him have two awful movies.

 

[Ivan Drago]

You know, as bad as BvS is, Suicide Squad is somehow worse.

It's kind of astounding at how each DCEU installment has been worse than the previous one. I thought the movies would only go up from Man of Steel, not down.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

At least I had a good time laughing at how bad Suicide Squad was with the occasional cringing at Jared Leto

Jai Courtney was good though. Genuinely laughed at most of the stuff he did in the film.

 

[The Joker]

We are less than one week away from the 1 year anniversary of BvS

What are we all doing to 'celebrate'

Maybe re-read the Rotten Tomatoes thread and laugh at the fanboy meltdowns again.

 

[I Am The Knight]

realizing we were going to get Snyder'd

 

[Ivan Drago]

At least I had a good time laughing at how bad Suicide Squad was with the occasional cringing at Jared Leto

Jai Courtney was good though. Genuinely laughed at most of the stuff he did in the film.

I was cringing the most with Enchantress and her stupid brother.

What was Ayer and co thinking?