8.20 - Beast - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Superfreak]

85% tonight. See what happens when SV sticks to the plot, and doesn't use ridiculous plot devices to get the episode moving. This episode was mint. Had it not been a 'flavor builder' for the finale, it might have scored nearer to 90%... because in the end, nothing major changed, other than Oliver fixing Jimmy (which was great aswell).

question is, what's gonna happen?

is Chloe gonna reveal to Davis what her true motive is (given her attitude at the gas station)... or is she gonna bite the big one, leaving Davis as a grief striken supermonster?

 

[Brainiac 8]

Good episode, not fantastic, but good. It was essentially the opening wind up and pitch to the finale. It amazes me how much I really like Smallville's version of Doomsday...superior to the carboard comics version by a mile.

I am really interested as to what they have planned for Chloe, but I see doom in her future.

Next week looks awesome, and the finale is guarunteed to rock.

 

[greenlantern248]

In Legion, Brainiac said he was running a program to control Doomsday. I still believe that the reason Davis doesn't doom out in Chloe's presence is because Doomsday still believes Chloe is Brainiac, it's master.

Oh, I haven't seen the whole episode yet, just parts of it, but the parts i say were pretty awesome like Clark and Davis in the FOS.

I'm not sure if it's a master type, cause Davis has been fixated on Chloe from the very begining, and Doomsday destroyed everything and everyone at the wedding except for Chloe.

 

[Bim]

I missed last night's peisode, cause i went to see Wolverine. Seems i missed a cool one, i'll have to check it out for sure

 

[Hush]

This was a good episode but i mean serioulsy chloe is making me just straight up angry.

 

[Zorex]

It amazes me how much I really like Smallville's version of Doomsday...superior to the carboard comics version by a mile.

I was thinking last night, last summer when they first announced Doomsday, I could not at all have pictured them giving him this story and taking it in this direction. I like it.

 

[kane9321]

I want chloe dead....now. Shes to stupid to have around now

 

[Prison Mike]

yeah overall, I thought the episode was okay but not great. I wasn't weirded out by half dead Clark at the beginning of the episode though. I think Supernatural shows stuff more gross than a half dead clark. I sensed some heavy foreshadowing at the end when Chloe said she was protecting Clark and all that stuff about sacrificing herself for others but they also had her say that stuff during season 5 before they showed the death in the 100th episode...so I don't know what will happen to her by the end of the season.

 

[Zorex]

I sensed some heavy foreshadowing at the end when Chloe said she was protecting Clark and all that stuff about sacrificing herself for others but they also had her say that stuff during season 5 before they showed the death in the 100th episode...so I don't know what will happen to her by the end of the season.

I was talking to my roommate about that after the episode, that hers would be the most dramatically meaningful death, after seeing where's she's been this season and where she's yet going. But you're right, they've foreshadowed or hinted at her possible death during Season 5, but we know how that went down.

As they often say in film ads, on May 14th... "The truth will be revealed." Or "Witness a truth you'll never see coming." Or... some such nonsense. The finale's so close!

 

[Prison Mike]

I was talking to my roommate about that after the episode, that hers would be the most dramatically meaningful death, after seeing where's she's been this season and where she's yet going. But you're right, they've foreshadowed or hinted at her possible death during Season 5, but we know how that went down.

As they often say in film ads, on May 14th... "The truth will be revealed." Or "Witness a truth you'll never see coming." Or... some such nonsense. The finale's so close!

yeah I agree. They've tried to throw us off track before, most notably during season 5 when they have hinted to Chloe's death and Martha's death. Who knows, though? I'm excited for the finale!

 

[SuperDaniel]

She just has to die. She has no reason to be alive.

 

[The Sarge]

Needed more actual doomsday.
How did he manage to not hulk out while trying to kill Oliver, or fighting with Clark?
other than that, not bad.
Loved the image of dead Clark.

 

[04nbod]

boring, darn the chloe and davis show

 

[Zorex]

I did have to laugh out loud at the rather out-of-the-blue, "Oh, P.S: Found the crystal that Brainiac tried to release Zod with... 3 years ago" moment. Way to bring stuff back, writers. Would be neat if the crystal did figure into further stuff to come... I mean, you'd think it would, otherwise why bring that one crystal back? I'm sure they could've had Clark open a portal to the Zone some other way.

 

[Brainiac 8]

I figure they are trying to do something that the previous producers didn't do near enough of...remember that the previous scenes actually happened.

 

[RagingTempest]

Okay, finally say the whole episode (while not in order of scenes, I put the pieces together.) "Beast" was a very intense episode and could have been the darkest episode of Smallville since "Asylum" (Or maybe I'm exaggerating?)

Things I loved:

-The acting (Tom, Allison, Aaron, Justin and Sam were all amazing tonight!)

-Clark (Loved Clark so much in this episode! One thing I'm loving about Chloe's storyline is how it's allowing him to think on his own for once. He put all the clues together and came up with the best plan to stop Doomsday. He was the most logical character throughout and glad he stuck to his principles of not killing because that's what Superman's all about!)

-the Davis/Jimmy/Oliver scene (Davis almost pushing Jimmy's eyes out of his sockets... and glad Jimmy step up by putting Davis in his place!)

-Dr. Hamilton (It's great having him as new ally and the actor is fine in the part)

-All the Clark/Davis scenes (So intense and their little fight in the FOS was a pretty cool prequel to real battle!)

-The special effects (The shots of Clark supercharging into the basement to slam Davis into the engine and then superspeeding off with Davis were awesome! Also the Phantom Zone portal looked just as good as it did in "Solitude")

-the Oliver and Jimmy scenes (Nice seeing Oliver giving Jimmy a job and I'm glad that drug addiction storyline is over!)

-The last scene with Clark and Chloe's phone call (Wow...just wow...after all they've been through...it's sad knowing this is how it might end between them)

Things that annoyed the hell out of me:

-Oliver lecturing Clark...twice!...about killing Doomsday and lecturing Chloe about becoming a villain (Oliver sounded like a hypocrite, especially for someone who killed a human being out of revenge and became an alcoholic for a couple of episodes!)

-Chloe's intervention at the FOS (Yet another character who shouldn't be lecturing Clark about making the wrong choices when...they themselves...have made even worst choices! Also, why did Clark just stand there and let them go...WTF?)

Anyway, it was a great episode and definately got the ball rolling for the finale. "Injustice" already looks stunning with Tom's directing and Al Septien & Turi Meyer writing it!

 

[rowan sjet]

I do like how Oliver, Clark and Chloe are all trying to do the right thing in their own way. Oliver's is the safe choice, the one that, in theory, means the threat to the world is over and gone for good. All it requires is Clark taking somebodies life. (Also not the most thought out plan, since Davis/Doomsday has been shown to come back to life after dying. GG Oliver)

Clark's is the smart choice. It takes into account that Doomsday can ressurect, but removes him from the world so he can't kill anyone again. However, it means Davis most likely has to suffer for eternity (since the possibility of a 'cure' is virtually nil) because of an evil that was forced upon him, unlike the Zoners who chose to be evil.

Chloe's choice is the moral one, and if it works means that no one has to suffer or die. However, it is the riskiest as any number of events can occur that result in Doomsday killing again.

It's amazing when Smallville can pull stuff like this off!

 

[Zorex]

I figure they are trying to do something that the previous producers didn't do near enough of...remember that the previous scenes actually happened.

Continuity is dearly appreciated.

I'd be really tickled if, like the orb, the crystal comes back again by the end of this season or the beginning of the next...

 

[ChaoticPsylocke]

im so freaking worried about chloe! i really dont want her to be killed off! but this season has been soooo awesome! this arc especially!

 

[The Caped Knight]

Well I guess that's settled Good-bye Miss Sullivan . Their pretty much setting it up for her to be killed in the season 8 finale .

To be honest she's outlived her usefulness . It's time for her to go .

 

[greenlantern248]

Yup so next season hopefully Lois can take her spot on the full time roster.

 

[Webhead2006]

I do like chloe myself, loved her alot more then lana over the years. Yes there has been a few things i didnt like with her character this season but she has been a good character for the show and i hope she isnt killed. But we will all know in two weeks.

 

[Superfreak]

everyone fails to realize that Davis will be happy in the PZ... he'll no longer be Davis, but he'll be free to murder and destroy zillions of phantoms and prisonners at will. It's what he wants... sooner or later though, he'll run out of PZ victims

 

[ironman29758]

Okay, finally say the whole episode (while not in order of scenes, I put the pieces together.) "Beast" was a very intense episode and could have been the darkest episode of Smallville since "Asylum" (Or maybe I'm exaggerating?)

Things I loved:

-The acting (Tom, Allison, Aaron, Justin and Sam were all amazing tonight!)

-Clark (Loved Clark so much in this episode! One thing I'm loving about Chloe's storyline is how it's allowing him to think on his own for once. He put all the clues together and came up with the best plan to stop Doomsday. He was the most logical character throughout and glad he stuck to his principles of not killing because that's what Superman's all about!)

-the Davis/Jimmy/Oliver scene (Davis almost pushing Jimmy's eyes out of his sockets... and glad Jimmy step up by putting Davis in his place!)

-Dr. Hamilton (It's great having him as new ally and the actor is fine in the part)

-All the Clark/Davis scenes (So intense and their little fight in the FOS was a pretty cool prequel to real battle!)

-The special effects (The shots of Clark supercharging into the basement to slam Davis into the engine and then superspeeding off with Davis were awesome! Also the Phantom Zone portal looked just as good as it did in "Solitude")

-the Oliver and Jimmy scenes (Nice seeing Oliver giving Jimmy a job and I'm glad that drug addiction storyline is over!)

-The last scene with Clark and Chloe's phone call (Wow...just wow...after all they've been through...it's sad knowing this is how it might end between them)

Things that annoyed the hell out of me:

-Oliver lecturing Clark...twice!...about killing Doomsday and lecturing Chloe about becoming a villain (Oliver sounded like a hypocrite, especially for someone who killed a human being out of revenge and became an alcoholic for a couple of episodes!)

-Chloe's intervention at the FOS (Yet another character who shouldn't be lecturing Clark about making the wrong choices when...they themselves...have made even worst choices! Also, why did Clark just stand there and let them go...WTF?)

Anyway, it was a great episode and definately got the ball rolling for the finale. "Injustice" already looks stunning with Tom's directing and Al Septien & Turi Meyer writing it!

agreeded took word right out of my mouth.I think another poster said it best when they said that they made decisions that is ultimately for the good of the world
Clark try to stop doomsday with killing him and send him to the Phantom Zone(which now that I think about it is strangly similar to what hapened in the JLU episode "Doomsday Sanction") so Davis can't kill anyone and he could be on a world with evil people but Davis is left stranded with people who made a choice to be evil while he didn't and left on a world without Chloe
Oliver thinks Clark should kill doomsday which makes sense but like clark he should find another way
Chloe way is able to keep davis human, keep people(espacially Clark) safe but the way she did it feels wrong to me but what made me mad is this:
SV magazine (SV Magazine #32 (May/June 09 issue)), thanks to wwg23 on Kryptonsite for the tip:

TS/Todd Slavkin: With Davis she sees a victim, someone she can help. The fact that he's [created by] Kryptonians makes it that much more special. She knows so much, yet refuses to give up on Davis. She sees him being plagued by these demons and this beast, so Chloe is intent on quelling that beast. She and Clark will be at odds in a certain way, but she's doing the right thing. Chloe has been through a lot this year and has had the most difficult time of all the characters.

 

[rowan sjet]

Clark try to stop doomsday with killing him and send him to the Phantom Zone(which now that I think about it is strangly similar to what hapened in the JLU episode "Doomsday Sanction")

Yeah, someone at TWoP said something similar happened in that ep. Never seen it so I looked it up:

In the Justice League Unlimited episode "The Doomsday Sanction", Superman and the Justice League send the nearly unstoppable Doomsday into the Phantom Zone after his capture. This usage of the Phantom Zone, effectively sentencing Doomsday to life imprisonment without trial, presented massive arguments about the Justice League's right to make such judgments. Batman was especially troubled by this move.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEXKU1zV71o

everyone fails to realize that Davis will be happy in the PZ... he'll no longer be Davis, but he'll be free to murder and destroy zillions of phantoms and prisonners at will. It's what he wants... sooner or later though, he'll run out of PZ victims

Doomsday will be happy, but his Davis alter-ego won't. That's if Davis is even allowed to exist any more once Doomsday can take control all the time. Then Davis might as well be dead.