All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - Part 67

[Kal-El.9859]

I think Connor's using the 75 x 75 one which appears to work. I guess it's just the 100 x 100 ones that are a hair over the kb limit. No worries.

it must be, because I'm using the 100x100 and it's frozen in time!

 

[Luane]

I would prefer a World's Finest before a JLA film. My biggest fear is filmmakers find an incorrect actor as the new Bruce.

I agree with you. Batman and Superman have already some recent movies focused on them: an awesome Batman's trilogy and an upcoming Superman movie very awaited. So maybe a World's Finest will be a success. However, if a JLA film comes too early I'm afraid to overdose on it because of Avengers 1, 2, etc.

 

[DIRECTOR]

what is everybody's beef on Snyder? He is a great director. Sure Sucker Punch was an experiment, but visually it was great, but writing and story wise, not so much.

I have no doubt with Synder. I think Singer is overrated, yes, there I said it, and he is going to ruin the future X-Men movie.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Yeah, Goyer concerns me most about MOS. But without him, MOS wouldn't exist. So with Chris to help him, Jonah Nolan and possibly others like Johnstad to ghostedit it, we might see something that reads comparably to BB, though I feel like this is more embracing of the comic heritage.

And I feel like he's gonna take more dialog from the comics, though there were plenty of subtle references in BB. "Dr Crane isn't available"-Haunted Knight, for example.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

what is everybody's beef on Snyder? He is a great director. Sure Sucker Punch was an experiment, but visually it was great, but writing and story wise, not so much.

I have no doubt with Synder. I think Singer is overrated, yes, there I said it, and he is going to ruin the future X-Men movie.

I actually liked Sucker Punch...got the Blu-ray. No shame in that game

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ It WAS original, I'll grant you that

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

^They probably will. It would probably refract and bend, each beams trying to push against each other. This would probably wear them out so much by using their optical muscles extensively, that they most likely just go man-to-man with their arms and fists with Clark trying to grab Zod's face so that he can't focus his vision.

Almost every action clip feels like from a dream.

Oh Snap now I have images in my head and they are AWESOME!

the Superman: Doomsday animated film had a Good Superman vs Bad Superman Clone heat vision battle, I think.

I'll have to rewatch my DVD to catch that. I do remember that battle was good. Also does anyone recall Superman covering Darkseid's eyes when he was trying to shoot his Omega Beam?

 

[ThePhantasm]

I would prefer a World's Finest before a JLA film. My biggest fear is filmmakers find an incorrect actor as the new Bruce.

That is why many still cling to Bale's slim chance of a return.

To be honest, its time for a new Batman. Bale's Bruce had his arc and it is complete.

There's always the possibility that a bad choice could be made, but honestly it has to happen at some point. There are risks with everything.

I still remember the days when no one could imagine anyone other than Keaton under the cowl...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

what is everybody's beef on Snyder? He is a great director. Sure Sucker Punch was an experiment, but visually it was great, but writing and story wise, not so much.

I have no doubt with Synder. I think Singer is overrated, yes, there I said it, and he is going to ruin the future X-Men movie.

I feel like I am the only one that actually watched Watchmen sometimes. It it an okay film, that completely missed the point of the actual book. Pulling visuals from the source doesn't mean much if you missed the message and ideas behind it.

I don't find Snyder strong at delivering a narrative. Even 300 was weak in that regard, though I find it to be his strongest film to date.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

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[ThePhantasm]

I feel like Snyder is a mediocre storyteller but growing in skill. His visuals, however, are superb.

And honestly, a lot of the story comes down to the script as well...

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Oh Snap now I have images in my head and they are AWESOME!

^ The vision occuring again when Zod is up to it, I hope I communicated that for you. Yeah, I keep having dream battles that I don't know if the film will contain-but something keeps telling me they'll be there.

From the impacts against buildings, trains, planes, the ground, the sky, this looks like the superhero movie to beat. And I REALLY like TA.

 

[Marvin]

Ratner can't even do buddy comedy anymore.

Scott had an incredible few peak years and has had some standout films since. But Scott has always been a perfect example of "only as good as the script". Blade Runner is one of my absolute favorite films. His visuals and directing have not been able to transcend a shotty script.


I am not actually a big fan of the first Blade film. I watched it a bit when I was younger, but I had to get dragged to Blade 2. That is when I fell in love with Del Toro.

Goyer is a strong idea guy, not unlike Lucas. But his execution is underwhelming at best. He can write the basis of a strong character, but he has trouble actually delivering that on paper, in a strong structured story.

It is fine to write a great character, but if his story is delivered in a weak script, it undermines everything. It is not unlike a video game. Nicely designed character does not equal strong story.

And with Snyder. How many "hits" has he had? I like 300, but that is it. MoS would be #2 and if he nailed it, then I am eternally grateful.

You bring up alot of I's and somewhat repeated opinions, it's a good point but it's way to subjective for me to debate today.

For example, is there some semblance of a consensus of the people that not only find the second blade superior to the first, let alone had to be dragged to the second. Meh, this isn't science.

As much as I believe most directors are only as good as their scripts(even the great and powerful nolan couldn't direct the Prometheus shooting script into something I would enjoy). There is something to be said for the visualization Scott brought to both Alien and Blade Runner(and Gladiator). His direction has been embedded into out culture, that goes beyond just being handed a solid script.

I didn't know people thought Lucas sucked at ideas? Really?
I'm being sincere here.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Lucas has a lot of good ideas. The Star Wars universe, Indiana Jones, and many people liked American Graffiti and Willow to an extent. But there are better people for writing dialog.

 

[Marvin]

I feel like Snyder is a mediocre storyteller but growing in skill. His visuals, however, are superb.

And honestly, a lot of the story comes down to the script as well...

I think Snyder is a great visual story teller. But that's just me.

And what happened to the jim caviezel stuff. I can't recognize anyone with out their avys.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

what is everybody's beef on Snyder? He is a great director. Sure Sucker Punch was an experiment, but visually it was great, but writing and story wise, not so much.

I have no doubt with Synder. I think Singer is overrated, yes, there I said it, and he is going to ruin the future X-Men movie.

Synder has his problems. He has no issues when it comes to constructing beautiful visuals, but using Sucker Punch as an example, he sometimes puts the visuals before the narrative and plot.
All that being said, I think with a strong script and cast, and Nolan's involvement ( although small) as well as Snyder having the "this is it or my career is most likely over" moment, i feel MOS will be a great film, and Snyder's best film to date.

Oh and Bryan Singer is a decent director. I liked X-men 1 and 2. The Usual Suspects is a great film as well *his strongest imo*.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

^ It WAS original, I'll grant you that

fine looking women running around...I'm down

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ You'd be content with a lot of B movies ;P

 

[Marvin]

Anyone interested in a short video Snyder/Watchmen/Direction/Storytelling amateur analysis a friend of mine did. See here

 

[ThePhantasm]

I think Snyder is a great visual story teller. But that's just me.

And what happened to the jim caviezel stuff. I can't recognize anyone with out their avys.

Caviezel will be back soon.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

And with Snyder. How many "hits" has he had? I like 300, but that is it. MoS would be #2 and if he nailed it, then I am eternally grateful.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Oh and Bryan Singer is a decent director. I liked X-men 1 and 2. The Usual Suspects is a great film as well *his strongest imo*.

Agreed although I will add that I think Apt Pupil is pretty underrated.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Superman to Snyder haters:

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You bring up alot of I's and somewhat repeated opinions, it's a good point but it's way to subjective for me to debate today.

For example, is there some semblance of a consensus of the people that not only find the second blade superior to the first, let alone had to be dragged to the second. Meh, this isn't science.

As much as I believe most directors are only as good as their scripts(even the great and powerful nolan couldn't direct the Prometheus shooting script into something I would enjoy). There is something to be said for the visualization Scott brought to both Alien and Blade Runner(and Gladiator). His direction has been embedded into out culture, that goes beyond just being handed a solid script.

I didn't know people thought Lucas sucked at ideas? Really?

I'm being sincere here.

Lucas is a great idea guy. That is what I meant. He can come up with great premises and ideas. He just isn't the man to deliver those on film. He has always needed better writers and directors to bring it to life. "Star Wars" is an all time classic. But the jump in quality in "The Empire Strikes Back" is very telling.

I believe a great director can make any script work. The better the script, the better chance of greatness of course.

And yep, a lot of "I". It is after all opinion. I am sure we could find someone that will tell you how incredible the first Blade is, and how it is the finest comic book adaptation example there is.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Like I said, 300 is all he has at this point.

Superman to Snyder haters:

You know you can be critical of something without being a hater.

Or is this Amy's Baking Company situation?