All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 8

[hopefuldreamer]

¨You wrote that the world doesn't need a savior...but everyday I hear people crying for one¨

¨So, you were OK with leaving us to cry out and suffer? and leaving me to raise an infant with super powers, and not getting a goddamn goodbye, even though our intimate relationship together was completely wiped from my memory, so it shouldn't have mattered if I got a goodbye or not, because we were only friends from my recollection of events, even though I make it out as if we were more than friends?¨

¨You wrote that the world doesn't need a savior...but everyday I hear people crying for one¨

I totally was. I think you can do without a superhero to do everything for you. In fact when I told you I hear people crying for one, I meant that everyone whines as long as there's someone to listen to them. They got spoiled because there's a Superman to call when things get difficult. I hope you learnt to go by without me as I have things to care for too, like my roots.

That pretty much sums up why I hate that line.

I believe that we will still be talking about Superman Returns even after MOS is released.

Let's just hope we won't be saying this: 'SR was much much better than MOS'

Can you imagine?

But hey, it could happen. MOS could seriously dissapoint. I'm not counting my chickens yet

 

[Rodrigo90]

If MOS fails worse than SR, then I'm going to hang myself with my Superman pajamas

 

[Prime]

Let's just hope we won't be saying this: 'SR was much much better than MOS'

Can you imagine?

But hey, it could happen. MOS could seriously dissapoint. I'm not counting my chickens yet

No, it really couldn't. It is literally impossible. There's a bigger chance that you'll see a pig fly tomorrow.

 

[Rockstar]

SR is like Ang Lee's HULK.

There's actually a pretty wide difference between those two films:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/


http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hulk/



Some fanboys tend to exaggerate, but it's always apparent that SR was a quality film.


SR will inevitably be compared to this. Especially if MoS fails to do way better than 400 Mil Worldwide.

 

[Prime]

O, Rotten Tomatoes, the site that has 93% tomatometer for ´´Spy Kids`` (higher than The Shawshank Redemption, Heat, Blade Runner etc etc), how credible. And anyway, a ´´quality film`` should at least have a good story/script and performances, for starters. If those are poor and the rest is mediocre it's a poor film not a quality one, imo anyway.

 

[Rockstar]

And a quality script and performances are determined by:

- Critics

- Audiences

And as you can see above, there is a vast difference in audience and critical reception between Superman Returns and Hulk.

 

[Prime]

Hulk? I wasn't referring to the Hulk, im not part of that discussion. Though mind you, I didn't think it was that bad. The hulk. I probably would rate it the same as SR, but problem is I am a big Superman fan and not a hulk fan at all so I can't really say how bad Hulk was from a fan perspective.

 

[Rodrigo90]

SR got pretty postive reviews from critics. But the main downside is, and always will be, it was too damn boring.

I know Singer was trying to make us reconnect with Superman, offering a story full of drama, leaving the action aside. But it was executed very poorly in many ways. Nobody cared about the story, nobody cared about the actors.

It was a waste of money and a waste of time. It's heart was in the right place, but nobody cared for it's offering.

 

[Dr.]

[SR] was executed very poorly in many ways. Nobody cared about the story, nobody cared about the actors.

It was a waste of money and a waste of time. It's heart was in the right place, but nobody cared for it's offering.

I did.

 

[Rockstar]

Yeah. It's hard to make general statements about Superman Returns like that.

It's one of those films that was neither here nor there. It wasn't great, but it wasn't bad.


Generally Superman-based projects tend to be one extreme or the other (either discernably great or discerably bad).


SR is hard to discern, even today. I think the 7/10 on RT is fair. Fans now deserve a Superman film that's a 10/10, just as Batman Begins and TDK were.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

has the fortress of solitude been mentioned yet?

 

[Rodrigo90]

I did.

Aye, granted
So did I at the time.

Some of us fans cared, but the GA, they didn't.

IMO, the failures, at the time, lay with Superman not being Spider-Man, and Singer not being Nolan.

I honestly respect Singer for attempting to recapture the films, and capture the love from fans and the public.
But the whole idea was pretty naive on Singer's part.
Here he was with a golden opportunity at doing something pretty spectacular, which he's capable of doing, and it just blew up.
It was naive to expect us to reconnect with a franchise that died years ago, accepting actors which some of us were shrugging or moaning at, and giving us a story that was essentially a carbon copy of the original. Giving the GA a feeling of
"whatever".

It's heart was there, but it was doomed from the start.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Fans now deserve a Superman film that's a 10/10, just as Batman Begins and TDK were.

Or Avengers.

 

[manofsteel4life]

Or Avengers.

I'm excited for the avengers as well but let's not jump the gun yet

 

[TX85]

Did this film get delayed or something??I just realized that there's still not even a teaser trailer/just one set of official photos/no big interview with Znyder for months/even set pics buzz has been low/Barely a banner of the new logo released a month ago..WTF!?

 

[Project862006]

^this film does'nt come out for over a year - june 2013

a little early for trailers

 

[TX85]

I thought the film came out this summer!?My bad then

 

[Prime]

Or Avengers.

While Im not really excited for the Avengers based on what I've seen (and previous MCU movies), everyone I know who's seen it and early reactions online seem to be praising the 3rd (last 30 minutes specifically) act based on ´´all out war`` and action. And since WB will undoubtedly try to sell MOS based on action and not story (however good it may be) I have to wonder, will the Avengers hurt that? I mean, I doubt anyone other than Superman fans (for me, the big blue in action >>>>> Avengers in action, but im biased) will be left impressed after seeing The Avengers.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

O, Rotten Tomatoes, the site that has 93% tomatometer for ´´Spy Kids`` (higher than The Shawshank Redemption, Heat, Blade Runner etc etc), how credible. And anyway, a ´´quality film`` should at least have a good story/script and performances, for starters. If those are poor and the rest is mediocre it's a poor film not a quality one, imo anyway.

That means it got more positive reviews, and positive doesn't mean it's Oscar worthy or the greatest movie of all time. It could mean "eh, it was above average but I'll probably never watch it again". The good reviews Shawshank got called it one of the greatest movies of all time, the good reviews Spy Kids got called it a fun little distraction.

 

[Rust]

While Im not really excited for the Avengers based on what I've seen (and previous MCU movies), everyone I know who's seen it and early reactions online seem to be praising the 3rd (last 30 minutes specifically) act based on ´´all out war`` and action. And since WB will undoubtedly try to sell MOS based on action and not story (however good it may be) I have to wonder, will the Avengers hurt that? I mean, I doubt anyone other than Superman fans (for me, the big blue in action >>>>> Avengers in action, but im biased) will be left impressed after seeing The Avengers.

I get what you're saying, but in the end it really depends on how well the action and FX is staged. T3 had a crazy-cool 3rd act visually when you sat in the theater, but I cant really recall it now as being something special and particularly memorable.
I get the same sort of feeling from The Avengers. Like no one will remember or care in 6 months.

The Comedian taking a beating in Watchmen and getting hurled out the window was a way more memorable sequence than any one sequence in T3 and it just cost a nickle compared. Of course, it featured actual human actors, so it was more relatable. But it was also far better staged and edited than the aforementioned.

Snyder directing and utilizing his visual trademarks hopefully will and should push MOS well above the typical summer blockbuster no matter how expensive and explosive it looks. It's all in the ideas and the execution.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

While Im not really excited for the Avengers based on what I've seen (and previous MCU movies), everyone I know who's seen it and early reactions online seem to be praising the 3rd (last 30 minutes specifically) act based on ´´all out war`` and action. And since WB will undoubtedly try to sell MOS based on action and not story (however good it may be) I have to wonder, will the Avengers hurt that? I mean, I doubt anyone other than Superman fans (for me, the big blue in action >>>>> Avengers in action, but im biased) will be left impressed after seeing The Avengers.

Well I don't think action is going to be the main strength of MOS. I mean, we've got Synder on board, so all the action scenes will probably be pretty awesome, but everything we've heard so far is about how they're bringing Superman to a more realistic place and exploring him as a 'human' character.

Avengers isn't 'edgy' like TDK. It's a fun action romp, that's going to have some great lines and dynamics between the cast.

But it's trying to be light hearted and fun.

And while i'm not saying that MOS is neccesarily going to be all serious, it's not going to have Joss Whedon's one liners in it. It's written by Goyer, sheparded by Nolan and directed by Snyder... it's probably going to be a deep character study, and a critical look at the world.

Just two completely different kinds of movies I think.

 

[Herolee10]

Anyone else thinking that MOS will be having earlier private screenings for certain folks than a film scheduled for June 2013 would due to their schedule and how they completed filming in early 2012?

I kind of hope that we get to hear some type of reaction that the film brought to those lucky enough to have seen the first rough cuts of the entire film.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I think the big action will still be very much the selling point though, WB have already had one under performing Superman movie and the biggest complaint in general was the lack of action considering how powerful Supes is.

 

[Prime]

Well I don't think action is going to be the main strength of MOS. I mean, we've got Synder on board, so all the action scenes will probably be pretty awesome, but everything we've heard so far is about how they're bringing Superman to a more realistic place and exploring him as a 'human' character.

Avengers isn't 'edgy' like TDK. It's a fun action romp, that's going to have some great lines and dynamics between the cast.

But it's trying to be light hearted and fun.

And while i'm not saying that MOS is neccesarily going to be all serious, it's not going to have Joss Whedon's one liners in it. It's written by Goyer, sheparded by Nolan and directed by Snyder... it's probably going to be a deep character study, and a critical look at the world.

Just two completely different kinds of movies I think.

I agree with everything and I didn't say action is going to be the main strength of MOS, I said I think WB will try to sell MOS based on action. As in, the trailers will be filled with money shots mostly (I really hope not, but I doubt it), since so many complained about SR's lack of action. I have little doubt MOS will have a story better than most SH flicks.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Anyone else thinking that MOS will be having earlier private screenings for certain folks than a film scheduled for June 2013 would due to their schedule and how they completed filming in early 2012?

I kind of hope that we get to hear some type of reaction that the film brought to those lucky enough to have seen the first rough cuts of the entire film.

If there is any way that could happen, I would kill for those tickets

I think the big action will still be very much the selling point though, WB have already had one under performing Superman movie and the biggest complaint in general was the lack of action considering how powerful Supes is.

I'd definitely agree that they will be making a point of 'there is quite a bit of actual action in this movie'. And like I said, it's Synder... it'll look great

I'm just saying I don't think Avengers major action sequences will hurt MOS's appeal, because along with action, MOS is offering a 'tone' that appeals to those who liked BB and TDK.