All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 8

[Lily Adler]

Nolan can't be there forever. As with any mortal he can be dealt with accordingly, Seline style.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I'm defecting to Marvel

I'll tell you what would be epic for a finale of Superman, that would blow TA out the water. An ending like the one in Earth One.

Say you have Zod's entire army invading Earth and Earth's forces battle them and Superman battles Zod himself.

But it looks like we're getting a nice final battle in the cow pats of Smallville...epic?

 

[DoomsdayApex]

If The Avengers is going to affect anything, it's Justice League. That's it.

BTW, am'I the only one who thinks that DC SHOULDN'T do what Marvel is doing, and instead come up with something unique on their own to do a Justice League film. Example: if it is stand-alone and not interconnected like their films are and have been, then make it effective and work to the point, among other things, that you can have two examples on how to do a superhero team film based on an large universe and make it work.

And instead of Avengers, why not X-Men as an example? People seem to forget that X-Men have ALOT of characters and their stories that probably would take alot of movies just to explain, and yet they manage to have balanced in all of their films (well, except for 1-2 of them but the point remains).

I agree with this post.

The Avengers sounds like it's going to be a fantastic CBM, but it's an ensemble film. It's a different format from a solo film. From the reviews I've read, it certainly sounds like The Avengers has upped the ante (ensemble-wise), which probably means X-Men, X2, First Class and Watchmen will probably drop in the rankings, on my personal list.

And WB definitely shouldn't copy Marvel Studios. They got to the idea first and they claimed it with a very good film. Instead, WB should shoot to one-up The Avengers by using a massive arc like Kingdom Come or Blackest Night or Infinite Crisis.

 

[Rockstar]

Nolan can't be there forever. As with any mortal he can be dealt with accordingly, Seline style.

Yes. Lets get rid of the one asset that WB/DCE has in their favor.

And WB definitely shouldn't copy Marvel Studios. They got to the idea first and they claimed it with a very good film. Instead, WB should shoot to one-up The Avengers by using a massive arc like Kingdom Come or Blackest Night or Infinite Crisis.

Haha, you are dreaming.

They couldn't even nail the scale of a Green Lantern origin film.

 

[Lily Adler]

Yes. Lets get rid of the one asset that WB/DCE has in their favor.

I would be more in favor of keeping him, if the studio didn't use him as a crutch. They'll have to test the waters eventually. It may take another decade, though.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Haha, you are dreaming.

They couldn't even nail the scale of a Green Lantern origin film.

Right, because WB is far different than Marvel Studios. At best, we get one CBM released a year (on average).

2014 looks like is going to remain hero-less.

WB will be seeking to green-light another ensemble film (since 2007) but in order to achieve success, the executives have to have a vision, a great director and a capable writer.

They can't half-ass it like they did with Green-Lantern.

 

[Rockstar]

Right, because WB is far different than Marvel Studios. At best, we get one CBM released a year (on average).

2014 looks like is going to remain hero-less.

WB will be seeking to green-light another ensemble film (since 2007) but in order to achieve success, the executives have to have a vision, a great director and a capable writer.

They can't half-ass it like they did with Green-Lantern.

Why would they?

There's no need for it after Green Lantern failed. WB has other franchises outside DC superheroes.

It would be a really bad business decision to throw 400 Mil on another untested DC property.


I think the next priority after MoS will inevitably and obviously be Batman for 2015 or 2016.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Trust me, if The Avengers makes +900 million, WB will be looking to get in on the action. Remember, Nolan's trilogy ends in July and Harry Potter ended last year. WB needs a cash cow.

If done right, MoS could be that cash cow but WB shouldn't be expecting 500+ million from this installment. Superman hasn't been relevant in decades, and the June spot is never something to be optimistic about. I expect Batman Begins numbers -- maybe 450 million, at best.

 

[Rodrigo90]

WB would want to make a JL movie. Nolan however, doesn't. WB want to keep him on, so they won't.

I really hope Nolan changes his mind. I know he can find a good solution to it, I just know it.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Ummm, Nolan doesn't have a say in whether or not there will be a JLA adaptation.

The JL: Mortal incident was simply from writers referencing Nolan's universe. He didn't like the idea of a JL movie but he wasn't against it... just as long as the writers left his universe alone.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Right.

But a JL movie with Nolan onboard would be a huge thing.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Right.

But a JL movie with Nolan onboard would be a huge thing.

I would prefer it if Nolan be onboard as a Producer and Writer. Nolan isn't a visuals/SFX type of director. He loves using practical effects, and as little CGI as possible. Nolan is very old-school.

Neill Blomkamp, Duncan Jones, Zack Snyder or Alfonso Cuaron would be better suited for the Director's chair.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Cuaron would be the best choice there. Not only is he skilled in the effects department of directing, he certainly knows how to bring the drama in for characters. Which is important for a JL film.

 

[Rockstar]

Trust me, if The Avengers makes +900 million, WB will be looking to get in on the action. Remember, Nolan's trilogy ends in July and Harry Potter ended last year. WB needs a cash cow.

The Hobbit.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0903624/

http://www.thehobbit.com/index.html



WB already tried to exploit their DC properties in an attempt to fill the void and compete with Marvel's Avengers lead-ups, ...and GL failed.

Right.

But a JL movie with Nolan onboard would be a huge thing.

Nolan said he doesn't believe the DC characters would work in a JLA-type scenario.


He says DC characters are different than Marvel, and what works for Marvel doesn't work for Batman and Superman:

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/102090-christopher-nolan-on-batman-and-superman


So no Nolan for JL.

 

[HighFivingMF]

You know, Rockstar, you're very good at talking about one thing over and over.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Cuaron would be the best choice there. Not only is he skilled in the effects department of directing, he certainly knows how to bring the drama in for characters. Which is important for a JL film.

I'm with you on that. I'm actually hoping WB selects Cuaron to helm the next DC project (anything -- Flash, Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, etc).

I can't wait to see his film [Gravity] later this year.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I can't wait to see his film [Gravity] later this year.

That's the one that's supposed to have the 17-minute opening shot, right?

 

[DoomsdayApex]

The Hobbit.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0903624/

http://www.thehobbit.com/index.html

WB already tried to exploit their DC properties in an attempt to fill the void and compete with Marvel's Avengers lead-ups, ...and GL failed.

WB needs more than one cash cow...

Green Lantern was a bomb, but that was all on WB. Mark my words, this won't be the last time WB attempts another big DC property, and we haven't seen the last of Green Lantern.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

That's the one that's supposed to have the 17-minute opening shot, right?

Ohhhh yeahhhh!

 

[HighFivingMF]

WB needs more than one cash cow...

Green Lantern was a bomb, but that was all on WB. Mark my words, this won't be the last time WB attempts another big DC property, and we haven't seen the last of Green Lantern.

They got Hangover 3 coming and I'm sure there'll be a Sherlock Holmes 3. Both Sherlock movies cracked 500 million. But I think the "____ Of The Titans" franchise might be done for now, with the Greek thing out of commission and Hunger Games proving a quality female-led action story can be a big hit, I think that Wonder Woman might get a chance.

 

[Lily Adler]

I would SO love a WW film, but I think The Flash will be more likely.

 

[Boy Scout]

I would SO love a WW film, but I think The Flash will be more likely.

Agreed.

 

[Herolee10]

IF my math is somewhat right, I think it's possible that Snyder might have a very rough cut of the film available to watch for him and a select few by December at least.

I'm still hoping that we'll get some word of the reactions that people had over seeing those very early cuts of the film and that they're positive ones to.

 

[Prime]

IF my math is somewhat right, I think it's possible that Snyder might have a very rough cut of the film available to watch for him and a select few by December at least.

I'm still hoping that we'll get some word of the reactions that people had over seeing those very early cuts of the film and that they're positive ones to.

I think there will more than a rough cut by then, the movie will probably be done by December. Weren't they already editing footage while filming and sending it to the FX houses to work on it? I seem to remember that being mentioned somewhere.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I don't know about that, but principal photography was apparently running ahead of Snyder's original production timeline.