BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - - - - - Part 14

[KRYPTON INC.]

I'd rather they not use HK cinema for inspiration…it seems to be what everyone is doing. WW should have a distinct fighting style that is more in line with 300.

I really hope they can come up with a visually interesting but viscerally hard styled use of the lasso for here. It would blow my mind if Snyder and his team could make WW's Lasso of Truth a more kick ass weapon on screen than Thor's hammer. It's a dream, yes. But I am just going to lay my cards on the table: I BELIEVE AND HAVE FAITH IN THE TALENTS OF ZACK SNYDER.

I now wait to be brought out to the stocks and pilloried.

 

[MrsKent26]

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I'm gonna post it anyways. I think the lasso of truth is stupid. I kinda hope they don't use it. But I will admit that if anyone can make such a geeky thing cool, it's Snyder.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

It didn't ruin the movie for me, but I didn't find it enjoyable. lol...in some since it was like watching a comic that I didn't have time to appreciate. Plus when I was in the theater this women sitting next to me farted and it was...the worse...lol. I think that also may have contributed to my discontent when watching the film.

Roach, you asked why I stopped going to the movies. This was one of those hassles I mentioned. t:

That's nasty, Huntress. lol You shouldn't let one bad experience keep you from coming back to the movies though.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Gotcha. With Larry Fong back on board, I wonder if they're considering slo-mo again. I wouldn't mind if they mixed it up a bit, but I'd rather not have Superman appear in a purely slo-mo film. That kind of direction would be ideal for Batman's style of fighting though.

I see. Mix it up a bit. Superman action/fight scenes should be like it was in MOS and when Batman fights we see more slow mo mix style like in 300 and Watchmen.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I'm gonna post it anyways. I think the lasso of truth is stupid. I kinda hope they don't use it. But I will admit that if anyone can make such a geeky thing cool, it's Snyder.

No, I agree. I imagine they'll have her use the lasso to incapacitate her enemies and such, but it likely won't force them to speak truthfully.

 

[Smashlilman]

Gotcha. With Larry Fong back on board, I wonder if they're considering slo-mo again. I wouldn't mind if they mixed it up a bit, but I'd rather not have Superman appear in a purely slo-mo film. That kind of direction would be ideal for Batman's style of fighting though.

The only Slow Mo i want to see in MOS or the Justice League movies are Time Dilation based where you show super speed by showing time progress at different rates for different people/objects. I rather see them use it with the Flash but I love to see Superman do it too.

The One - Timeshift Fight - Jet Li
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[charl_huntress]

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I'm gonna post it anyways. I think the lasso of truth is stupid. I kinda hope they don't use it. But I will admit that if anyone can make such a geeky thing cool, it's Snyder.

You know I was wondering about this earlier while watching JL. I don't know. I'm undecided on it tbh. She needs some kind of weapon, and that is what the lasso has been traditional. It's not just about the truth in all cases, but I think it would need to remade in some way shape or fashion.

That's nasty, Huntress. lol You shouldn't let one bad experience keep you from coming back to the movies though.

It was nasty...but it's not the only experience. It's just a big ole hassle now. I do feel excited about this upcoming movie. I will
probably...maybe...most likely see MOS2w/Batman.

Maybe...

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I don't see why the Lasso couldn't work as is, especially given that it's a universe where you can put an entire race's genetic code into a baby within seconds; a universe that probably has rings that channel 'willpower'; a universe with aliens that can read minds.

Why is it that once you use the word 'god' instead of alien, it's all of a sudden too 'out-there'. It's just a different name for an extraordinary species.

but whatever, I'd be fine with them Nolanizing it.

Perhaps they'll use the lasso to get the truth out of someone in a more 'traditional' way-- by causing them pain. I think it could be a funny nod.

 

[Jekecy]

I don't see why the Lasso couldn't work as is, especially given that it's a universe where you can put an entire race's genetic code into a baby within seconds; a universe that probably has rings that channel 'willpower'; a universe with aliens that can read minds.

Why is it that once you use the word 'god' instead of alien, it's all of a sudden too 'out-there'. It's just a different name for an extraordinary species.

but whatever, I'd be fine with them Nolanizing it.

Perhaps they'll use the lasso to get the truth out of someone in a more 'traditional' way-- by causing them pain. I think it could be a funny nod.

For a reinvented approach, I'd incorporate it straight into the lasso's power; it causes tremendous stress upon the victim.

Perhaps I'm thinking too high-brow here, but ever since I saw the processing scene in The Master (start at 4:25), it would be a terrific baseline for the lasso. Imagine an interrogation scene like that with Diana and a perpetrator? Intense. The lasso itself is a representation of the lie detector test (same creator) so it wouldn't be any different than the numerous scenes featuring the machine.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Superman had all his powers and was about 98.999999% his usual self. I am guessing WW is going to be the same, gods given power and magical lasso included.

I just really think that we have the VFX to do a stunning lasso and if you put more than a minute into thinking about it, the lasso can be an insanely versatile weapon, especially for somebody with such awesome strength and skill as Diana. It could be used as a Chinese chain whip or Japanese Manriki Gasari, she could tie it around a heavy object to make an improvised mace and chain type weapon, she could wrap it around her forearm to create a guard to help her in a sword fight , have her make it into an emergency sling if an arm got injured in combat.... The physical nature of it being a rope, added with the supernatural element of it being "indestructible" means you can do a whole lot with it. Yeun Woo-ping would be a good choice to help think this all out.

 

[MrsKent26]

There are certain character powers that just don't seem as cinematic and cool to me. The lasso and superman's freeze breath are two examples. I just find they score too high on the corny/outlandish scale set up in my brain. That's just me though. I expect many folks enjoy those powers.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Lasso is badass to me

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

There are certain character powers that just don't seem as cinematic and cool to me. The lasso and superman's freeze breath are two examples. I just find they score too high on the corny/outlandish scale set up in my brain. That's just me though. I expect many folks enjoy those powers.

MrsK have you ever seen the WW dtv or the Crisis on Two Earths dtv? Both those and the Nanda Parbat/Deadman episode of JLU show WW using the lasso in very cool ways I think. The first five minutes alone of Hippolyta using the lasso in the WW dtv made me salivate at the thought of seeing all that in live action.

 

[charl_huntress]

Why is it that once you use the word 'god' instead of alien, it's all of a sudden too 'out-there'. It's just a different name for an extraordinary species.

Because "god" inspires thoughts of deities who are currently being worshipped. It's not like some alien realm that is unknown...though it obviously could be, but "gods" brings up a different thought process. They don't have a blank canvass unless you create some other sort of fiction to explain them like they are aliens too. For me thinking about "gods" being represented in film makes me think of faces in clouds and fingers descending from the sky. It's mystical...which might be a problem for this world IMO.

For a reinvented approach, I'd incorporate it straight into the lasso's power; it causes tremendous stress upon the victim.

This might be a way of showing it if they don't go with the route it was endowed by the gods.

There are certain character powers that just don't seem as cinematic and cool to me. The lasso and superman's freeze breath are two examples. I just find they score too high on the corny/outlandish scale set up in my brain. That's just me though. I expect many folks enjoy those powers.

You know...I think I agree with you. I thought about the freeze breath recently too... As you can see I've been thinking a lot about Superman. Yet I wondered if we would see it then I wondered if wanted to see it. I think it is more suited for cartoons and comics. The lasso...meh. Not so sure. She needs a weapon of some sort and the lasso is what she has always been known for.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I empathize CH, but to me WW would just be CLASH OF THE TITANS (new or original recipe) in a modern context. I don't have a problem with the "gods" thing, I mean it is a lower case g here.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Because "god" inspires thoughts of deities who are currently be worshipped. It's not like some alien realm that is unknown...though it obviously could be, but "gods" brings up a different thought process. They don't have a blank canvass unless you create some other sort of fiction to explain them like they are aliens too. For me the thinking about "gods" being represented in film makes me think of faces in clouds and fingers descending from the sky. It's mystical...which might be a problem for this world IMO.This might be a way of showing it if they don't go with the route it was endowed by the gods.

But this is Greek mythology. It's badass and well received by the public (God of War, Clash of the Titans, Percy Jackson, etc).

A lasso that makes somebody tells the truth doesn't seem any more outlandish than a Hammer that can only be picked up by an individual if they are 'worthy' of it.

Plus, a big giant face in the sky? That's Galactus.

As long as the visual/emotional tone is right it can be cool and feel 'real'.

 

[charl_huntress]

lol....It's not that. I don't mind her being from the gods. It's just that it's mystical...like Percy Jackson, Clash of the Titans, Immortals. It's people in clouds and stuff like that. I just don't see that working in this world.

I empathize CH, but to me WW would just be CLASH OF THE TITANS (new or original recipe) in a modern context. I don't have a problem with the "gods" thing, I mean it is a lower case g here.

I guess the problem for me is I can't really picture it in a modern context without seeing Percy Jackson.

 

[Smashlilman]

Superman had all his powers and was about 98.999999% his usual self. I am guessing WW is going to be the same, gods given power and magical lasso included.

I just really think that we have the VFX to do a stunning lasso and if you put more than a minute into thinking about it, the lasso can be an insanely versatile weapon, especially for somebody with such awesome strength and skill as Diana. It could be used as a Chinese chain whip or Japanese Manriki Gasari, she could tie it around a heavy object to make an improvised mace and chain type weapon, she could wrap it around her forearm to create a guard to help her in a sword fight , have her make it into an emergency sling if an arm got injured in combat.... The physical nature of it being a rope, added with the supernatural element of it being "indestructible" means you can do a whole lot with it. Yeun Woo-ping would be a good choice to help think this all out.

It remind me of the guy with the Whip from Sword of a Trangers.

Skip too 1:00 I hope she uses here lasso like that.

Sword of the Stranger - Temple Battle
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[KRYPTON INC.]

Well for one thing I think having out and out Harry Potter styles "magic" without the Marvel styled Asimov explanation is a way to give the DCCU an edge over the competition. "Hey, we know the comic book super hero genre has always been a grab bag, mixed stew genre. We aint gonna shy away from that."

Not to mention that the Trinity has in it the representation of the 3 basic flavors of superheroes. Fantasy Sci-Fi, Myth/Magic and swashbuckler. Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman. I don't really think there has to be a big "Nolanizing" for Diana.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

The lasso can work. Just leave out the truth inducing power.

 

[titansupes]

She does a cool lasso move in the animated Superman/Batman: Apokalypse too, when fighting the Furies.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

She does a cool lasso move in the animated Superman/Batman: Apokalypse too, when fighting the Furies.

Yes. That Furies fight with Barda at her side is off the chain. I loved it.

Smashlilman, you get a Scooby-Snack for the vid and the gif. That vid was sick. I would pass out if Diana did even a fourth of that on screen one day.

 

[Smashlilman]

lol....It's not that. I don't mind her being from the gods. It's just that it's mystical...like Percy Jackson, Clash of the Titans, Immortals. It's people in clouds and stuff like that. I just don't see that working in this world.
I guess the problem for me is I can't really picture it in a modern context without seeing Percy Jackson.

Like I've said before The gods, monsters, and magic in the Wonder Woman portion of the MOS universe should be more like Constantine and less like Percy Jackson.

Constantine salvation
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Constantine: Tilda Swinton as Gabriel
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[KRYPTON INC.]

The lasso can work. Just leave out the truth inducing power.

It being "indestructible" is no more outlandish to me than the Truth compulsion power. It was forged by the god Hephaesteus out of strands of the girdle of the Earth goddess Gaea. It's got a lot of leeway to me.

 

[MrsKent26]

MrsK have you ever seen the WW dtv or the Crisis on Two Earths dtv? Both those and the Nanda Parbat/Deadman episode of JLU show WW using the lasso in very cool ways I think. The first five minutes alone of Hippolyta using the lasso in the WW dtv made me salivate at the thought of seeing all that in live action.

Hmm, that doesn't sound familiar. Don't think I've seen those.