BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - - - - - Part 14

[TheFlamingCoco]

You don't have to believe in a thing to be entertained by it. I don't believe in Hobbits and dwarfs and dragons but I was entertained by Desolation of Smaug. Magic has always been a part of Wonder Woman and I would hate for all that to be wiped away.

Are you telling that FANTASY can actually exist in CBMS?

 

[roach]

Are you telling that FANTASY can actually exist in CBMS?

it can…and hopefully it will in this universe

 

[charl_huntress]

i agree with this.

My time has arrived.

 

[MrsKent26]

You don't have to believe in a thing to be entertained by it. I don't believe in Hobbits and dwarfs and dragons but I was entertained by Desolation of Smaug. Magic has always been a part of Wonder Woman and I would hate for all that to be wiped away.

I do agree with that. I was also entertained by Hobbits. But they existed in their own universe that allowed for them. If a WW solo movie had been announced and it wasn't sold as being connected to MOS, I wouldn't be questioning any of this. I would assuming she was magic and existed in a magic universe. But the issue I have is that while MOS never specifically said magic doesn't exist in that universe, it just didn't seem like it would. I just didn't get the impression that this was that kind of universe. And now it would appear they're saying it was that kind of universe all along. So there's a disconnect for me.

I remember you saying that an audience could buy into different things if it was introduced early enough. And I agree. I guess I feel like the impression that magic could exist should have been established in MOS, since it was the first movie set in this inverse.

 

[roach]

My time has arrived.

 

[roach]

I do agree with that. I was also entertained by Hobbits. But they existed in their own universe that allowed for them. If a WW solo movie had been announced and it wasn't sold as being connected to MOS, I wouldn't be questioning any of this. I would assuming she was magic and existed in a magic universe. But the issue I have is that while MOS never specifically said magic doesn't exist in that universe, it just didn't seem like it would. I just didn't get the impression that this was that kind of universe. And now it would appear they're saying it was that kind of universe all along. So there's a disconnect for me.

I remember you saying that an audience could buy into different things if it was introduced early enough. And I agree. I guess I feel like the impression that magic could exist should have been established in MOS, since it was the first movie set in this inverse.

Knowing that MOS was going to launch DCCU and lead towards a JL movie and that there are several magical members of the JL…i never excluded it in my mind.

 

[jmc]

Based on what we know…yes.
We know that Wonder Woman is in this movie and she is a purely magic character.
We know that del Toro is working on a Justice League Dark movie that is set in this MOS movie and features a host of magic characters.

1. You don't know this about WW in the context of this film. 2. Del Toro's JL Dark is no closer to seeing the light of day than what Aquaman is, if it gets up at all.

 

[Wise]

Batsuit: Bruce... give me... a hug.

Bruce: Ugh. Why did I let Lucius give you emotions?

Batsuit: Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuug

 

[MrsKent26]

Knowing that MOS was going to launch DCCU and lead towards a JL movie and that there are several magical members of the JL…i never excluded it in my mind.

We haven't always known that MOS would start the DCCU though. And the universe within the movie itself should suggest it, not knowledge of WB's plan.

 

[roach]

1. You don't know this about WW in the context of this film. 2. Del Toro's JL Dark is no closer to seeing the light of day than what Aquaman is, if it gets up at all.

all very true

 

[roach]

We haven't always known that MOS would start the DCCU though. And the universe within the movie itself should suggest it, not knowledge of WB's plan.

We've known since before the movie came out that it would launch the DCCU…there are plenty of hints in the movie at a bigger universe.

 

[MrsKent26]

We've known since before the movie came out that it would launch the DCCU…there are plenty of hints in the movie at a bigger universe.

It seemed there were hints of everyone but wonder woman, lol.

And if you didn't know that MOS was launching the DCCU, would you think WW would exist in the MOS world?

 

[roach]

It seemed there were hints of everyone but wonder woman, lol.

And if you didn't know that MOS was launching the DCCU, would you think WW would exist in the MOS world?

Nothing about MOS told me that magic didn't exist in that universe.

 

[Herolee10]

I think the one thing that people can seemingly agree on is that, based on what MOS established, there had been no confirmed reports of people with extraordinary powers roaming around the Earth as far as the public was aware of.

 

[charl_huntress]

Perry refusing to publish the article Lois wrote would seem to support that the notion of "aliens" as fantastical...and super scary, but we know they have been here for at least 20,000 years. It's possible other things are here as well, but this world will not support a floating city in the clouds.

 

[MrsKent26]

Nothing about MOS told me that magic didn't exist in that universe.

Nothing said it did, either. And if I'm not mistaken, Goyer used the word "realistic" more than once.

 

[Smashlilman]

Knowing that MOS was going to launch DCCU and lead towards a JL movie and that there are several magical members of the JL…i never excluded it in my mind.

On top of that on of Superman's main weakesses is magic and Wonder Womans inclusion ensures that that part of Superman's mythos gets added to MOS's world.

Hooray for magic throat slitting tiara!

 

[StarLord]

I'm sure they just wanted to get MoS out there and test the waters.

If they had done an after credits scene ala Marvel, then maybe they could have hinted at something else, but I think MoS was their top priority.

 

[roach]

I think the one thing that people can seemingly agree on is that, based on what MOS established, there had been no confirmed reports of people with extraordinary powers roaming around the Earth as far as the public was aware of.

which fits with what we've known…that Superman is the first openly super superhero and that others may have been helping from in the shadows

 

[Herolee10]

Nothing said it did, either. And if I'm not mistaken, Goyer used the word "realistic" more than once.

Truth be told, I think when they said "realistic" they meant more in the sense of how people are presented in the film, let alone their reactions to the fantastical events in the film...and not so much the technology available or present within the wold.

 

[STARMAN]

I saw Goyer using Air Quotes when saying "realistic".

 

[Black Narcissus]

Nothing said it did, either. And if I'm not mistaken, Goyer used the word "realistic" more than once.

A guy flying around...pretty much takes that away.

 

[MrsKent26]

Truth be told, I think when they said "realistic" they meant more in the sense of how people are presented in the film, let alone their reactions to the fantastical events in the film...and not so much the technology available or present within the wold.

Could be. It was somewhat misleading in any case.

And I reckon this whole issue will bug me until 2015 when I see how they introduce WW.

A guy flying around...pretty much takes that away.

Eh, it's covered by the "Because...aliens!" clause, lol.

 

[jmc]

Well, whatever they choose to do, it has to fit in the context of the previous movie. It can't just happen, I hear the term lazy used a lot in these forums in regards to outside the box ideas to get characters to work in film simply because said ideas alter some aspect of a characters back story. Doing things because 'that's just the way it is' is lazy.

 

[charl_huntress]

Could be. It was somewhat misleading in any case.

And I reckon this whole issue will bug me until 2015 when I see how they introduce WW.

Same here.

I do think the movie established fairly well there is a large universe out there via the easter eggs and the fact the scout ship was here before Superman ever arrived. Plus if the prequel comics are included then Thanagarians are mentioned, so we know there are other alien races.

In my view, there could be other "beings" here on earth with powers like "magic". That seems plausible. However, I still think they will have to tie Wondy's magic and the "science" together to explain her presence her because as it stands it would not fit.