BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - Part 2

[Loki882]

Its really amazing just how freaking pessimistic some people are for a movie that's two years away. "My enthusiasm has completely evaporated" WHY, they haven't shot one second of footage, there isn't one set photo, and they haven't even finished casting yet, WHY is your enthusiasm almost gone, that makes ZERO SENSE!

 

[smallville fan]

Affleck helping Goyer is good to me. I still think Goyer's DC work has a scale beyond Marvel's in terms of character building and conflict creation. His dialogue and a few failures in some scenes are the only things I really see as flaws. He gets villains better than most, while I think Affleck has demonstrated a better understanding of casual human interactions.

I personally feel they should embrace the Sci-Fi aspect from MOS for the new Batman and shared universe, complete with the escalation theme and more realistic world response to them. The Codex idea sounds like a way to begin exploring characters like Parasite (an adaptable organism that copies any genetic material it connects with via the Codex's storage ability), Bizzaro, Superboy, and Match(if the codex is supposed to evolve to allow for propagation of the species, it might be capable of causing various u stable clones to be grown).

And Batman with Sci-Fi technology in an arms race with Luthor sounds infinitely more awesome if their creations have repercussions and counterparts in the DEO and rest of the world. Less "here's the hero's macguffin, never to be matched," or " the alien army has advanced technology yet also is completely vulnerable to old fashioned bullets and bottleneck holding tactics." And let's face it; hard Sci-Fi can work just as well as the softer stuff in the Marvel world, and can provide a wonderful contrast when Hal Jordan doesn't understand a word of what's happening, but Barry does even if he can't quite match it.

Batman with sci-fi tech=YES! This sort of thing might help this Batman stand on his own two feet and distance himself from the long shadow of Christian Bale in the eyes of the Critics and General Public/Audience.

Stuff like this would be good:

For those who don't know, in Smallville Season 11, Batman created gauntlets which emit Red Solar Radiation(very original might I say). Seeing equipment like this would be allright.

 

[Vaibow]

Batman with sci-fi tech=YES! This sort of thing might help this Batman stand on his own two feet and distance himself from the long shadow of Christian Bale in the eyes of the Critics and General Public/Audience.

Stuff like this would be good:

For those who don't know, in Smallville Season 11, Batman created gauntlets which emit Red Solar Radiation(very original might I say). Seeing equipment like this would be allright.

i agree with all the above - a world now where alien's have been confirmed - obviously for years people talk about conspiracies, religion comparisons etc, i mean, ideally a world will come to terms with it and be optimistic, using the technology harvested from the kryptonian craft, but, what should happen is superman should in part, work with the government - like, they say they will not 'survey' him - obviously they will, but tracking him down won't be that easy - they can take a sample, run tests, even test his abilities and have like an agreement where he meets with the government every 6 months, in return they leave him alone - i would love for bruce to hack into the government files, track him down to clark kent, by public facial recognition CCTV that wayne corp put up, he can then alter the specifications of Superman's profile, so that it will never match up with anyone, so the government will never find a match with clark - so then bruce can sue that to his advantage - why is a space alien hiding out in the daily planet, why does lois care so much - he can then get to superman by going through lois, clark etc. Knowing where Clark lives - batman can survey him, get in and really mess with him

 

[slumcat]

The site that shall not be name, or rather cannot be named, has posted an article seemingly with confirmation that the title will indeed be Batman Vs. Superman kinda giving credence to the worst fears of Superman fans. Batman will take not just precedence in the title, but also in terms of the actor playing the role, a much much bigger name than Cavill, and very probably in screen time as well.

So Batman would have stolen Man of Steel 2 right from under the man of steel's nose!

 

[marvelrobbins]

ben Affleck helping or advising on script is great news.

If your upset this Is a batman and Superman film and not man of steel sequel
guest starring batman blame goyer and snyder.If more would have like man of
steel then WB wouldn't think they need a complete batman and superman film to compete with the avengers.

My excitment for this film,since i had a meh reaction to man of steel,is due to batman In film,Ben affleck playing batman,and the idea that unlike nolan we can
get a more ongoing series of batman like bond with another actor continuing when affleck leaves.Hopefully they can do better with Superman as well.We need a Superman who can lead when time comes for justice League.

 

[MrMaooz]

That's a stupid ass title.

 

[jonathancrane]

That's a stupid ass title.

This.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

The site that shall not be name, or rather cannot be named, has posted an article seemingly with confirmation that the title will indeed be Batman Vs. Superman kinda giving credence to the worst fears of Superman fans. Batman will take not just precedence in the title, but also in terms of the actor playing the role, a much much bigger name than Cavill, and very probably in screen time as well.

So Batman would have stolen Man of Steel 2 right from under the man of steel's nose!

I don't know what article you're referring to, but Kevin Tsujihara referred to the film as Batman Vs Superman too. Batman comes first because that is the grammatically correct way to title the film, alphabetical order.

 

[Crimson King]

It's an awful title. If that news is true, it shows how little confidence they have in Superman now, which is a shame. I hope it turns out to be false on all accounts.

I don't know what article you're referring to, but Kevin Tsujihara referred to the film as Batman Vs Superman too. Batman comes first because that is the grammatically correct way to title the film, alphabetical order.

Just curious, but what grammar rule are you citing? In the end, it doesn't matter, because it's a dumb title, but I don't recall a rule on titles with vs. in them.

 

[roach]

Seriously are we gonna nitpick every little bit of news from this movie????
Putting Batman first in the title doesn't show little confidence in Superman...get a grip people

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

agreed. I mean, b vs s is kinda eh, but I can't think of anything better and a lot of the ones that I've read here are f'in terrible.

 

[Dk1201]

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[Llama_Shepherd]

Just curious, but what grammar rule are you citing? In the end, it doesn't matter, because it's a dumb title, but I don't recall a rule on titles with vs. in them.

It's just the accepted convention, when used for one person/team in opposition to another, for example, if you were watching Green Bay versus Pittsburgh, you'd say "Packers versus Steelers".

The exception is legal cases, where it is the client filing the lawsuit is list first: Brown versus Board of Education of Topeka.

 

[Crimson King]

It's just the accepted convention, when used for one person/team in opposition to another, for example, if you were watching Green Bay versus Pittsburgh, you'd say "Packers versus Steelers".

The exception is legal cases, where it is the client filing the lawsuit is list first: Brown versus Board of Education of Topeka.

I guess "Tucker and Dale vs. Evil" didn't get the memo.

Seriously are we gonna nitpick every little bit of news from this movie????
Putting Batman first in the title doesn't show little confidence in Superman...get a grip people

You can call me by name. It's okay. I happen to think that inserting Batman and giving him a large chunk of the story in the supposed sequel to MoS does show a lack of confidence in Superman. I could also be convinced that it's not so much a lack of confidence as a lack of faith in anything but Batman.

 

[TheBat812]

Which name comes first means very little to what the story will actually provide... I suspect the title is pretty much a decision based on marketing trends. You put hose two names in the title, EVERYBoDY will know what's going on. Nobody knows what Worlds Finest refers to. Not would they guess some other random title is the clashing of two pop icons. I would prefer something more artistically interesting and integral, but I understand the reasoning behind it. As long as its good, it won't matter too much.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I guess "Tucker and Dale vs. Evil" didn't get the memo.

Might just be a British English thing then.

 

[Crimson King]

Which name comes first means very little to what the story will actually provide... I suspect the title is pretty much a decision based on marketing trends. You put hose two names in the title, EVERYBoDY will know what's going on. Nobody knows what Worlds Finest refers to. Not would they guess some other random title is the clashing of two pop icons. I would prefer something more artistically interesting and integral, but I understand the reasoning behind it. As long as its good, it won't matter too much.

See, I don't buy that. If that were the case, The Avengers should have been called, "Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Hulk, and SHIELD vs. Loki" because people wouldn't know what "The Avengers" referred to.

All WB needs is Batman and Superman on a poster to inform those that don't recognize the name. They made an awful choice with the vs. title.

Might just be a British English thing then.

I was only kidding. I'm sure you're correct about the rule, I just don't think that's why they worded it the way they did. Goyer said recently that they were going back and forth on which name would go first.

 

[TheBat812]

I personally hate Worlds finest, it sounds so pretentious. The avengers is just a way more badass title in general. Worlds finest just glorifies them as just being the best undeservedly, avengers is a reactionary word to wrongdoing. its immediately heroic in a more selfless way. Plus it's about a whole team, doing a versus in that context is just stupid. But what I said is just basic marketing principles and data. Like I said I'd prefer something else, but that's why they're going with it.

Even something directed specifically to fanboys like public enemies has superman/batman In the title...

 

[Loki882]

I'm more exciting about Tsujihara saying that DC entertainment will anchor WB. Hopefully, that means that other DC characters, coughWonderWomancough, will get their own films in the next few years. As for the title, it's not what I would have called the movie, but I've hear worse.

 

[Dk1201]

Seriously where is the story?

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I personally hate Worlds finest, it sounds so pretentious. The avengers is just a way more badass title in general. Worlds finest just glorifies them as just being the best undeservedly, avengers is a reactionary word to wrongdoing. its immediately heroic in a more selfless way. Plus it's about a whole team, doing a versus in that context is just stupid. But what I said is just basic marketing principles and data. Like I said I'd prefer something else, but that's why they're going with it.

Avenging is the opposite of selfless, it's selfish. You're taking up action because someone wronged you, not because there is wrongdoing. It sounds cooler, but revenge, vengeance and avenging is not justice, which is what Batman and Superman try to achieve.

Seriously where is the story?

http://www.unleashthefanboy.com/movies/time-warner-dc-movie/71657

What's shocking is no-one is discussing the fact that WB intends to use DCE as the anchor for their next slew of films.

 

[TheBat812]

Re: avengers. It's not really selfish in context of avenging the world. But it is if its just a personal vendetta. Either way I'm not a huge fan of avengers, but from a logistical standpoint it's a way better title than Worlds Finest.

 

[roach]

I guess "Tucker and Dale vs. Evil" didn't get the memo.



You can call me by name. It's okay. I happen to think that inserting Batman and giving him a large chunk of the story in the supposed sequel to MoS does show a lack of confidence in Superman. I could also be convinced that it's not so much a lack of confidence as a lack of faith in anything but Batman.

I try not to call people out. You aren't the only one to do it. People were doing it in other threads.

Also Avengers was called Avengers because that was the proper name of the team. World's Finest was just the name of the book not the name of the team.

 

[Skrilla31]

Its really amazing just how freaking pessimistic some people are for a movie that's two years away. "My enthusiasm has completely evaporated" WHY, they haven't shot one second of footage, there isn't one set photo, and they haven't even finished casting yet, WHY is your enthusiasm almost gone, that makes ZERO SENSE!

Okay but we know the studio, the screenwriter, the director, the cast, the news surrounding the production and filming, a loose understanding of the general story, and also a feature film that was released just this past summer by the same creative team in question... so you can't just blame someone for not being a blind optimist. They've taken the information they've been given, they've observed it, they've weighed it out, and they feel the ingredients may not be there for a good movie. It's perfectly understandable.

Hey what's your favorite meal? Well I'll tell you what... I'll ask my six year old niece to cook it for you. Remember, don't jump to conclusions because you haven't tasted it yet.

 

[smallville fan]

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or Hollywood Reporter

See, I don't buy that. If that were the case, The Avengers should have been called, "Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Hulk, and SHIELD vs. Loki" because people wouldn't know what "The Avengers" referred to.

All WB needs is Batman and Superman on a poster to inform those that don't recognize the name. They made an awful choice with the vs. title.

^This or actually put some effort into marketing rather than rely on name recognition for the general public who they seem to assume are unintelligent. Other than the usual reasons to why simply calling it Batman vs Superman is stupid, has anybody thought of what this says about their marketing strategy? WB have a chance to go all out with viral videos, trailers etc etc but I have a feeling it might be two trailers, one Superman centric, one Batman centric, and then 1 or 2 TV spots showing the same footage when the release date gets closer.