BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - - Part 35

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[TheNextNolan22]

 

[Wise]

You know I never appreciated just how awesome Superman's boots looked in MoS. You only see them closeup in a few shots and the wide shots are usually overpowered by the cape.

But yeah. They're spectacular.

 

[X Knight]

I have my problems with the tornado scene.

but I understand what they're going for.

and it's interesting that physical constraints can't hold Clark back. but a strong psychological constraint can.

to use a Frozen analogy again, it's very much the same situation with Elsa.

after over a decade of being told by her parents to conceal her powers, to hide her emotions/don't feel, to stay isolated from her sister and the world, you can see how much that affected Elsa and shaped her personality/actions into adulthood.

even after her parents died, adult Elsa still kept herself isolated and kept her emotions in check.

like Clark, it's a testament to just how strong an influence parents can have on their children, especially relatively obedient children like Clark and Elsa.

 

[BatFan1979]

The way i feel about the Pa Kent death- Clark was still a kid at that point, not Superman. He was raised to be extremely guarded with his powers and true self. With that type of pressure for that long, I think he obeyed his father because thats where he was at that time in his life. Id say he'll regret that for the rest of his life, but he wont need to hold back again. He's out now and can use his abilities to help.

As for Superman's behavior regarding ths whole Metropolis destruction/Zod death thing- in the first film, Superman hasnt come into his full persona yet IMO. He just found out who he really was, found he could fly, found out Zod and crew were there to get him. He had personal things to handle and probanly wasnt in the mindset yet of being a hero for the masses.

 

[MrsKent26]

Yeah, but I don't get complaining about something not touching you on an emotional level and trying to argue it on an intellectual/logical basis.

I dunno.

I think the problem is that some people don't think anyone would ever do what Clark did and that ruins the scene on an intellectual level for them. And since they view his choice as so illogical, they can't connect emotionally with him in that moment. Some people just don't think there is any way a sane person would let their father die for any reason (except maybe if that father was an evil person).

I'm not one of the people that thinks this, but I can understand where they're coming from. I don't think we can rule out someone making a choice like Clark made because we have no idea what every sane person in the world would do.

Now that's how you start a thread. If that isn't superman, I don't know what is.

 

[roach]

Pa Kent's death was not to teach him he can't save everyone...that's how they did it in S:TM. It doesn't have to be the exact same thing over and over again.
Pa's death was about the world not being ready for a super powered alien...people would worship him, people would be afraid of him, people would try to destroy him...
...the world can't seem to handle people of different skin colors, religions, sexuality and locations on the map...what do you think they'd feel about an alien?

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Cavil looks like a god there. Guy's dedication is unreal.

 

[Wise]

Cavil looks like a god there. Guy's dedication is unreal.

His body size was simply perfect. The character literally stepped off the page in terms of looks.

 

[BatFan1979]

That suit truely is a thing of beauty!

Edit: i meant the movie suit. They did a great job designing and bringing that thing to life!

 

[antonydelfini]

Also, just because you guys acted for your loved ones doesn't mean that everyone does that, or would do that. It's a bad idea to judge a fictional character based on what YOU, the real person, would do.

I'm willing to bet you, the real person, didn't spend years being told not to act because your very existence would be a huge conflict and turning point for the human race.

There's a psychological principle at play as well. It's not just about Jonathan dying.

And it's about Clark not being ready as much as its about the world not being ready.

That's a good post The Guard. It makes sense now to me because of your post.

Now Im feeling sorry for Clark he got so much psychological baggage he wasnt able to or try to save his dad from a tornado.

But now Im thinking, should that psychological conflict even be in a Superman movie? Is it Superman-ish at all? Not saving your dad because all your life he was scaring you from doing heroic acts because it could change the world? It's complex and deep, it makes sense, but is it right for a Superman movie? For me its not Superman-ish, so even if it makes sense now because of your post, I still have a problem with that scene. Pa Kent kinda scares me in this movie.

Anyway, i still like MOS, but i dont love it. Great action, epic scope, great sets and costumes, awesome music.

 

[antonydelfini]

I think the problem is that some people don't think anyone would ever do what Clark did and that ruins the scene on an intellectual level for them. And since they view his choice as so illogical, they can't connect emotionally with him in that moment. Some people just don't think there is any way a sane person would let their father die for any reason (except maybe if that father was an evil person).

I'm not one of the people that thinks this, but I can understand where they're coming from. I don't think we can rule out someone making a choice like Clark made because we have no idea what every sane person in the world would do.




Now that's how you start a thread. If that isn't superman, I don't know what is.

You nailed it.

 

[Broseph44]

He just IS Superman. It's uncanny.

 

[antonydelfini]

Cavil looks like a god there. Guy's dedication is unreal.

Looks like a warrior Superman. Great costume. I wonder what the tweaks are gonna be.

 

[X Knight]

His body size was simply perfect. The character literally stepped off the page in terms of looks.

Kara!!

 

[BatFan1979]

I think we're gonna get an even better Superman in this sequel.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I think the problem is that some people don't think anyone would ever do what Clark did and that ruins the scene on an intellectual level for them. And since they view his choice as so illogical, they can't connect emotionally with him in that moment. Some people just don't think there is any way a sane person would let their father die for any reason (except maybe if that father was an evil person).

I'm not one of the people that thinks this, but I can understand where they're coming from. I don't think we can rule out someone making a choice like Clark made because we have no idea what every sane person in the world would do.

Yep. That makes complete sense.

For me, I get the concept they were going for. I'm not against that concept. I just feel it was executed poorly. There was a "step" missing that should have shown that him saving his dad would reveal his powers to lots of people. As it stands, the scene is so chaotic that it makes no sense to me that anyone would know he was a superpowered alien whatever. No one was watching or paying attention to him except for his dad.

But that's also my takeaway for most of the film. Too many of these little step were implied, not enough were shown/told. Great ideas, simply executed in a rush to get from A-Z. Hopefully Terrio will fill in that much needed connective tissue for the sequel.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Cavil looks like a god there. Guy's dedication is unreal.

He really IS Superman.

 

[X Knight]

Yep. That makes complete sense.

For me, I get the concept they were going for. I'm not against that concept. I just feel it was executed poorly. There was a "step" missing that should have shown that him saving his dad would reveal his powers to lots of people. As it stands, the scene is so chaotic that it makes no sense to me that anyone would know he was a superpowered alien whatever. No one was watching or paying attention to him except for his dad.

But that's also my takeaway for most of the film. Too many of these little step were implied, not enough were shown/told. Great ideas, simply executed in a rush to get from A-Z. Hopefully Terrio will fill in that much needed connective tissue for the sequel.

agreed.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

He really IS Superman.

he just needs the curl in the movie, and he's golden.

 

[roach]

Yep. That makes complete sense.

For me, I get the concept they were going for. I'm not against that concept. I just feel it was executed poorly. There was a "step" missing that should have shown that him saving his dad would reveal his powers to lots of people. As it stands, the scene is so chaotic that it makes no sense to me that anyone would know he was a superpowered alien whatever. No one was watching or paying attention to him except for his dad.

It's not that people would know he was a super powered alien...it's that people would know he was different than they were. In the scene it looked to be 20-30 people under the overpass....and while they probably weren't focused on Pa or Clark I am willing to bet they were focused on the tornado...which Pa was right in front of.

 

[Lily Adler]

Kara!!

Down boy.

Would anyone like Kara to appear as well?

 

[Wise]

I think we're gonna get an even better Superman in this sequel.

I hope so.

I don't want to see the happy go-lucky boy scout per se.

But I really want the citizens of Metropolis to see more of the MoS Superman who makes lighthearted remarks about lifesavers and smiles with that charismatic warm smile and takes joy in the wonder of his powers and most importantly saves humans in spectacular ways.

We got a small taste of that in MoS. Now I want to see a lot more.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

His body size was simply perfect. The character literally stepped off the page in terms of looks.